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Join Date: 12/23/2005
Posts: 1
First This is my first commander deck build so honest. If it looks bad say so. I have the cards on order so I haven't played it yet. I have only played the format with those crappy preconstructed decks. Yes I am losing a lot. Any way here it is.

Avancyn Nukes!!!!

Goal: Blow up the board repetitively, while protecting my board and winning with "Avacyn, Angel of Hope". The sub-goal is to use "Avacyn, Angel of Hope" and "Worldslayer" to lock the field down. Basically I want to blow things up.

Deck Data

Format: Commander

Color: Mono White

Commander: Avacyn, Angel of Hope

Card Count: 99 + 1 commander = 100 cards

Cost: $406

CMC Data

0 = 37 = 37 land, 25 basic, 12 non-basic, 0 non-land
1 = 6
2 = 14
3 = 14
4 = 10
5 = 5
6 = 7
7 = 4
8 = 2 + 1 commander
9+ = 0

Card Type Data

Creature = 20 = 1 commander, 19 non-commander
Artifact = 23 = 6 equipment, 3 creature, 14 other
Sorcery = 9
Instant = 11, 1 tribal, 10 other
Planeswalker = 3
Land = 37 = 25 basic, 12 non basic
Enchantment = 0
Tribal = 1

Deck List

Commander

Avacyn, Angel of Hope

Main Deck

Creature = 19

Angel of the Dire Hour
Avenger en-Dal
Devout Witness
Duplicant
Heliod, God of the Sun
Intrepid Hero
Mageta the Lion
Magus of the Disk
Mangara of Corondor
Myojin of Cleansing Fire
Platinum Angel
Steel Hellkite
Sunblast Ange
Burnished Hart
Eternal Dragon
Relic Seeker
Stonehewer Giant
Stoneforge Mystic
Steelshaper's Apprentice

Artifact = 20

Astral Cornucopia
Everflowing Chalice
Guardian Idol
Sol Ring
Thought Vessel
Thran Dynamo
Thunder Totem
Unstable Obelisk
Worn Powerstone
Journeyer's Kite
Planar Portal
General's Kabuto
Kusari-Gama
Lightning Greaves
Swiftfoot Boots
Worldslayer
Whispersilk Cloak
Nevinyrral's Disk
Oblivion Stone
Elixir of Immortality

Sorcery = 9

Open the Armory
Steelshaper's Gift
Austere Command
Day of Judgment
Morningtide
Planar Cleansing
Planar Outburst
Rout
Wrath of God

Instant = 11

Enlightened Tutor
Afterlife
Allay
Chastise
Crib Swap
Disenchant
Exile
Path to Exile
Swords to Plowshares
Valorous Stance
Fated Retribution

Planeswalker = 3

Elspeth, Sun's Champion
Gideon, Champion of Justice
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

Land = 37 = 25 basic, 12 non basic

Plains = 25
Arcane Lighthouse
Emeria, the Sky Ruin
Forbidding Watchtower
Gargoyle Castle
Homeward Path
Kjeldoran Outpost
Mystifying Maze
Rogue's Passage
Dread Statuary
Strip Mine
Thawing Glaciers
Wasteland

I have some basic questions. How many lands should I be running? Is my curve bad? What is a proper curve for the format in a control deck that will see play in both 1v1 up to 6v6 (mostly 3v3 oor 4v4)? In your opinion what can I do to make it better? Is this deck going to draw the hate?

Thanks.

Hi, welcome to mtgs.
There's an avacyn primer that you might find interesting: here

Hello scoed!

Welcome to the format! To get things started, you can use the formatting buttons to essential take your deck list into a easy to read deck, and that will help readers suggest ideas

like this:


On to the list
I used to play a similar deck, led by Tajic, Blade of the Legion. As you are playing Avacyn, you will get some hate before the game begins, as many people think she can be oppressive and very difficult to answer. However, she does cost a lot so you have to make sure you can ramp to her fast enough before other people can find their answers.
Astral Cornucopia and Everflowing Chalice aren't the best for ramping, as they require significant mana ahead of time for it to work. I would suggest more things like Marble Diamond, Knight of the White Orchid, Land Tax, Solemn Simulacrum, Caged sun, Pearl Medallion, and Pristine Talisman, to name a few.

You have a lot of the staples in the format already, which is good! My only other comment about the list is that you certainly have a LOT of sweeper effects, you may be able to cut back on some as having a few in hand isn't always the best.

To answer some of your questions:
1. the number of lands you should be running is more of a guideline then an exact number. Usually anywhere from 36-40, depending on your curve and other mana acceleration cards you have.
2. The curve seems a just a little high, but you do have some ramp.
3. It is very hard to make a deck that works just as well for 1v1 and for 6v6... for 1v1 you dont need as many sweepers as you do, but for 6v6 youll probably want as many as possible, so it all depends on what are playing more often.

Quote from rshizz »

Hello scoed!

Welcome to the format! To get things started, you can use the formatting buttons to essential take your deck list into a easy to read deck, and that will help readers suggest ideas

like this:

Worldslayer ShenanigansMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards

Commander 1x Avacyn, Angel of Hope Creatures (19) 1x Angel of the Dire Hour 1x Avenger en-Dal 1x Devout Witness 1x Duplicant 1x Heliod, God of the Sun 1x Intrepid Hero 1x Mageta the Lion 1x Magus of the Disk 1x Mangara of Corondor 1x Myojin of Cleansing Fire 1x Platinum Angel 1x Steel Hellkite 1x Sunblast Angel 1x Burnished Hart 1x Eternal Dragon 1x Relic Seeker 1x Stonehewer Giant 1x Stoneforge Mystic 1x Steelshaper Apprentice Artifacts (20) 1x Astral Cornucopia 1x Everflowing Chalice 1x Guardian Idol 1x Sol Ring 1x Thought Vessel 1x Thran Dynamo 1x Thunder Totem 1x Unstable Obelisk 1x Worn Powerstone 1x Journeyer's Kite 1x Planar Portal 1x General's Kabuto 1x Kusari-Gama 1x Lightning Greaves 1x Swiftfoot Boots 1x Worldslayer 1x Whispersilk Cloak 1x Nevinyrral's Disk 1x Oblivion Stone 1x Elixir of Immortality

Sorcery (9) 1x Open the Armory 1x Steelshaper's Gift 1x Austere Command 1x Day of Judgment 1x Morningtide 1x Planar Cleansing 1x Planar Outburst 1x Rout 1x Wrath of God Instants (11) 1x Enlightened Tutor 1x Afterlife 1x Allay 1x Chastise 1x Crib Swap 1x Disenchant 1x Exile 1x Path to Exile 1x Swords to Plowshares 1x Valorous Stance 1x Fated Retribution Planeswalkers (3) 1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion 1x Gideon, Champion of Justice 1x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon Lands (37) 25x Plains 1x Arcane Lighthouse 1x Emeria, the Sky Ruin 1x Forbidding Watchtower 1x Gargoyle Castle 1x Homeward Path 1x Kjeldoran Outpost 1x Mystifying Maze 1x Rogue's Passage 1x Dread Statuary 1x Strip Mine 1x Thawing Glaciers 1x Wasteland

On to the list
I used to play a similar deck, led by Tajic, Blade of the Legion. As you are playing Avacyn, you will get some hate before the game begins, as many people think she can be oppressive and very difficult to answer. However, she does cost a lot so you have to make sure you can ramp to her fast enough before other people can find their answers.
Astral Cornucopia and Everflowing Chalice aren't the best for ramping, as they require significant mana ahead of time for it to work. I would suggest more things like Marble Diamond, Knight of the White Orchid, Land Tax, Solemn Simulacrum, Caged sun, Pearl Medallion, and Pristine Talisman, to name a few.

You have a lot of the staples in the format already, which is good! My only other comment about the list is that you certainly have a LOT of sweeper effects, you may be able to cut back on some as having a few in hand isn't always the best.

To answer some of your questions:
1. the number of lands you should be running is more of a guideline then an exact number. Usually anywhere from 36-40, depending on your curve and other mana acceleration cards you have.
2. The curve seems a just a little high, but you do have some ramp.
3. It is very hard to make a deck that works just as well for 1v1 and for 6v6... for 1v1 you dont need as many sweepers as you do, but for 6v6 youll probably want as many as possible, so it all depends on what are playing more often.

Thanks! I was wondering how they got those nice deck lists.

Quote from rockondon »

Hi, welcome to mtgs.
There's an avacyn primer that you might find interesting: here

I read that thread. Lots of good ideas. Thanks. I updated my deck list.

Weathered Wayfarer is a great add to mono white and will feel like Sol Ring if you have it opening hand. Note it says Land, as opposed to anything specific.

You have a lot of equipment tutors. Like, all of them I think. Widening your array of choices could help. Maybe consider Loxodon Warhammer for the option to gain life, Sword of Vengeance for a little everything, Sword of Light and Shadow is great as it protects Avacyn from the most common exile sources. Darksteel Plate may seem pointless, but Avacyn will be hated out some games and it could be a good idea to have a second way to try and push damage in through a board wipe. Obviously the former equipment is a lot better, but with all the tutors you can afford to play around and make sure they're really tested.

You may also want to add Trading Post. It can do a lot of work, most importantly trading in rocks late game for lost equipment.

Quote from Welgo »

Weathered Wayfarer is a great add to mono white and will feel like Sol Ring if you have it opening hand. Note it says Land, as opposed to anything specific.

You have a lot of equipment tutors. Like, all of them I think. Widening your array of choices could help. Maybe consider Loxodon Warhammer for the option to gain life, Sword of Vengeance for a little everything, Sword of Light and Shadow is great as it protects Avacyn from the most common exile sources. Darksteel Plate may seem pointless, but Avacyn will be hated out some games and it could be a good idea to have a second way to try and push damage in through a board wipe. Obviously the former equipment is a lot better, but with all the tutors you can afford to play around and make sure they're really tested.

You may also want to add Trading Post. It can do a lot of work, most importantly trading in rocks late game for lost equipment.

I really liked the idea of Sword of Light and Shadow,Trading Post, and Weathered Wayfarer. they now in the deck. I also thought of adding Magnifying Glass to ramp early/mid game and draw late game. Thanks for the ideas. I tested for the first time today in a 4v4 and won 3 out of 4 games. The last game was strange. I won off of Platinum Angel plus Avacyn, Angel of Hope protected by Swiftfoot Boots and Lightning Greaves. Couldn't attack because of Moat and Mystic Decree backed with counters combo. Decked the last of them in the end after being at negative life (-134 life), over 21 commander damage by two different commanders and out of cards to draw for several turns. But a win is a win. The new deck list.



I got a question how do you get the creature (19) in bold into the lists?

First off welcome to the format It is a great format for many reasons and I love your starting deck, as a personal favorite of mine, you can see my Avacyn Decklist if you like


As for how do you get the Creature (19) you put them in the text but do not put a number infront of them

Such as


Creatures (19)

8 Avacyn, Angel of Hope
blah
blah
Blah

How do you feel about a card like Expedition Map? You have some good utility lands, I'd imagine tutoring them could help. Works well with Trading Post

Quote from SirGrizz »

First off welcome to the format It is a great format for many reasons and I love your starting deck, as a personal favorite of mine, you can see my Avacyn Decklist if you like


As for how do you get the Creature (19) you put them in the text but do not put a number infront of them

Such as


Creatures (19)

8 Avacyn, Angel of Hope
blah
blah
Blah

Thanks for the info. I looked up your Army of the Heavens, Lead by the Angel of Hope deck. I like it as I like theme decks. Its goals are a bit different then mine but it looks fun. Thanks.

Quote from Welgo »

How do you feel about a card like Expedition Map? You have some good utility lands, I'd imagine tutoring them could help. Works well with Trading Post

Honestly never thought of it. I like it. Fetching Thawing Glaciers, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Kjeldoran Outpost, Dust Bowl or what ever land I need looks stronger then Thought Vessel which is just ramp in my deck. If I need ramp I could just fetch Temple of the False God and get similar value. thanks again.

You could try out Emeria Shepherd, that card is bonkers in mono white. I'm also a big fan of cards like Sword of the Animist and Knight of the White Orchid

I know it's a bit situational but it's hard to argue in mono white, especially with your apparent love for wrath effects. Have you thought about Mass Calcify?

Quote from bobthefunny »

If you like Expedition Map, then Wayfarer's Bauble is a Rampant Growth that gets returned by Sun Titan.

Depending on how many 1cost artifacts you then run, Auriok Salvagers can start to look interesting. (Even more, and Salvaging Station looks interesting, but then you have a radically different deck).

If you run Relic Seeker, I strongly suggest adding Sword of the Animist for ramp.

Akroma's Vengeance may prove overall more useful than Martial Coup, depending on how much you need those soldiers. I'd normally suggest Tragic Arrogance, but you look to prefer the destroy route with your commander, and I typically run TA to deal with board states like yours.

Thanks for the ideas. I have been looking at Sword of the Animist and I like it my fear is I am having issues keeping things alive early. I am drawing tons of hate early. I just don't think I will be able to ramp with the sword do to everything I play dying quickly and only half of it is me wrathing the world to live till I take over with Avacyn, Angel of Hope plus a repeatable board wipe. Now I think you are more than right about Akroma's Vengeance. It will be added. I am having issues with a certain blue/white enchantment based deck and it will make that match up better with out cost to the over all strength of the deck. Thank you.

Quote from Serberus_08 »

You could try out Emeria Shepherd, that card is bonkers in mono white. I'm also a big fan of cards like Sword of the Animist and Knight of the White Orchid

Well Sword of the Animist keeps coming up. Guess I should try it as I own one. Journeyer's Kite is the most choice for a card swap for Sword of the Animist with. Journeyer's Kite does some amazing work with some of my discard effect cards like Mageta the Lion. I'll have to see which helps more. The sword diffidently works better with my equipment finding package. As for Knight of the White Orchid It is great on turn two but doesn't do anything useful for me late game. And your right Emeria Shepherd is great. Problem the late game slot is very crowded. What would you take out for it?

Quote from Last Laugh »

I know it's a bit situational but it's hard to argue in mono white, especially with your apparent love for wrath effects. Have you thought about Mass Calcify?

I didn't even know it existed. Interesting and I love wrath effects. I will conciser it. I am also looking at Descend upon the Sinful as well. There is tons of wonderful white wraths to look at and that is what makes this so fun.

Thanks all I will keep reading and tweaking. I really love this deck. It is already one of the stronger decks in my meta and I will tweak it tell it is hated out.