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Quote from ZenN »Quote from DeadPresident2910 »Yeah, sadly. I figured it’s possible that as a mid/late game Pod/Vannifar Target she could turn our 1-3 drops into 4/4’s and establish some solid board presence, but really, when the 5 drop slot has stuff like Karmic Guide, Cataclysmic Gearhulk, Seedborn Muse, and Willbreaker as competition Oketra kind of falls flat. Nothing in this set is absolutely begging to be accommodated IMO, not in the same way cards like Vannifar were. Speaking of Prime Speaker Vannifar... On Friday night I finally had a chance to play some games with my usual group with her in the deck. I ended up slotting her in over Mirari's Wake for the time being to try her out. I didn't cast her once. I never tutored for her. I had several opportunities, I just never wanted to. Every time I could, it felt like a bad play. In many cases, she was just going to die before I'd get a chance to untap with her, and in others I just had to spend my mana doing other things. I didn't think it would bug me that much that she needs a turn cycle to be useful, but it really did. In 1v1 it would've been much less of an issue, but in a 4 player game, all people who know my shenanigans, there was no way they were ever going to let me untap with her. I'm going to try one more session with her, but I'm sad to say that I don't think she'll be making the cut.
Quote from DeadPresident2910 »Yeah, sadly. I figured it’s possible that as a mid/late game Pod/Vannifar Target she could turn our 1-3 drops into 4/4’s and establish some solid board presence, but really, when the 5 drop slot has stuff like Karmic Guide, Cataclysmic Gearhulk, Seedborn Muse, and Willbreaker as competition Oketra kind of falls flat. Nothing in this set is absolutely begging to be accommodated IMO, not in the same way cards like Vannifar were.
Quote from Kitsune_18 »Not sure Avenger of Zendikar works. I think the the +/+ and haste resolves before the tokens are created.
Quote from DeadPresident2910 »Ah yeah, of course - so whatever is on the board beforehand would get the bonus but not the Avenger or tokens. That rules that one out.
Quote from Kitsune_18 »Quote from DeadPresident2910 »Ah yeah, of course - so whatever is on the board beforehand would get the bonus but not the Avenger or tokens. That rules that one out. Whatever you search for will still get the +/+ and haste, I believe, but EtB triggers will not happen until the entire spell resolves. I also feel like my 5 drops are a bit boring. 3 graveyard recursion cards live at 5 cmc and then a few "silver bullet" type cards, but I find there isn't really a "goodstuff" card to grab if I don't need either of those. I've tried Thalia's Lancers in the past and, although the tutoring is quite nice, the body just isn't as impressive as I'd like. I'd usually rather just have Reveillark.
Quote from Kitsune_18 »I wouldn't mind trying out Seedborn Muse. Our 5 cmc creatures are pretty similar; I have Ixidron over the Gearhulk, and Acidic Slime in place of Willbreaker. I also run Mulldrifter. Are you still running Azami, Lady of Scrolls? I'm not sure where to make cuts for Seedborn Muse. I've been trying out Brago, King Eternal and I suppose that fulfills a similar role in that if it isn't answered quickly, it takes over the game. Palace Jailer has been in my list for a few months now and I'm not sure what to make of it. I typically find myself tutoring for other things like Gilded Drake or Venser, Shaper Savant when I need removal. I've yet to live the dream of blinking him and exiling multiple things .