Quote from Ghaespar »Sadly, Pod won't trigger Sidisi..it has to be from the library.
Nice decklist Kirby, should be pretty nice, you can even get Life from the Loam out since you are looking for the lands that will go in you hand. Instead you can run Profaner of the Dead, it has a decent body and will act like a low cost Rift
Quote from Outcryqq »Hi, just beginning to shape up a Sidisi, Brood Tyrant list and I liked your list. From what I see, it seems Birthing Pod would be a pretty solid addition to the deck: you can ramp up your creatures, it puts your dudes in the yard (where you want them), and it will even trigger Sidisi if she's already on board.
Edit: Reading is hard. Ghaespar pointed out that podding away a dude won't trigger Sidisi. Still, I believe it would be a solid addition?
Quote from Ghaespar »I started testing something in the direction of more mill, and Dreamborn Muse is just awesome. With Undead Alchemist it is just sick, and with Prophet you are going through your library a lot faster
Quote from Gotuso »The first cards I would at would be Riftsweeper, Frontier Guide, Death Denied and Sudden Reclamation. Im unsure what Riftsweeper is for (graveyard removal protection?) and the Guide and Death Denied seem to be very slow. Sudden Reclamation is ok I guess, just not really exciting and between it and Death Denied the latter might be better because it has more potential.
Quote from Jaytron »What would you add if you could stretch the budget $50 more (to $100) on the budget version? Likely Loam, but what else?
Quote from DementedKirby »This is the Budget Version I just finished brewing. I will soon start testing it to see the results:
Budget Version: ~$70 (average price as of 10/6/2015)Magic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
Commander: 14 Sidisi, Brood TyrantArtifacts: 42 Altar of Dementia2 Mesmeric Orb1 Skullclamp1 Sol RingCreatures: 412 Aphetto Alchemist3 Borderland Ranger3 Burnished Hart3 Civic Wayfinder2 Dawntreader Elk3 Diregraf Captain2 Dreamscape Artist3 Farhaven Elf4 Filth2 Frontier Guide2 Gatecreeper Vine2 Gempalm Polluter6 Gravespawn Sovereign5 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born4 Gurmag Drowner5 Havengul Lich4 Hell's Caretaker2 Kiora's Follower3 Krosan Restorer3 Krosan Tusker3 Loaming Shaman2 Narcomoeba4 Nullmage Shepherd5 Pharika's Mender3 Pilgrim's Eye5 Possessed Skaab5 Prophet of Kruphix6 Realm Seekers1 Reef Shaman2 Riftsweeper2 Sakura-Tribe Elder2 Satyr Wayfinder2 Seeker of Skybreak5 Sidisi, Undead Vizier2 Sylvan Ranger1 Tideshaper Mystic4 Undead Alchemist4 Undead Warchief4 Wonder3 Yavimaya Dryad3 Yavimaya ElderEnchantments: 44 Mortuary2 Nylea's Presence4 Opposition1 Phyrexian ReclamationInstants/Sorceries: 127 Cyclonic Rift2 Death Denied4 Fact or Fiction2 Grisly Salvage4 Sudden Reclamation3 Buried Alive4 Dread Return2 Gaea's Blessing4 Jarad's Orders2 Life from the Loam2 Mulch3 VictimizeLands: 380 Blighted Woodland0 Coral Atoll0 Dimir Aqueduct0 Everglades0 Evolving Wilds0 Golgari Rot Farm0 Jungle Basin0 Llanowar Wastes0 Mortuary Mire0 Myriad Landscape0 Nephalia Drownyard0 Opulent Palace0 Simic Growth Chamber0 Temple of the False God0 Terramorphic Expanse0 Unholy Grotto0 Yavimaya Coast10 Forest5 Island6 Swamp
Now, the Shuko + Cephalid Illusionist combo is absent because even though it's a brutal budget combo for Sidisi, Brood Tyrant, you need a lot more cards to make this work, particularly tutors (there are 4 cheap ($-wise) tutors that you can run but again, with all the milling going about, I rejected the straightforward tutor spell concept which I believe is still valid in this case). A better combo is one I just stumbled upon when brewing this version: Narcomoeba + Mortuary + Altar of Dementia. Unlike Shuko + Cephalid Illusionist, all three cards work extremely well on their own. Together (with Sidisi, Brood Tyrant in play), this is what happens:
I sacrifice Narcomoeba to Altar of Dementia. That triggers Mortuary, which goes on the stack after the Altar of Dementia's ability and Narcomoeba's already in graveyard because it's sacrificed to pay for Altar of Dementia's activated ability. Mortuary resolves, sending Narcomoeba to the top of the deck. Altar of Dementia resolves, milling Narcomoeba, thus putting it back into play from the graveyard, which will still trigger Sidisi, Brood Tyrant and also land me a zombie token.
So, all these pieces that work well on their own become super broken when together. Also, this means that all I would have to add to the deck is Narcomoeba instead of Shuko, Cephalid Vandal, and a bunch of cards to guarantee the combo. On top of all of that, the "Narcomortuary of Dementia Combo" guarantees a zombie token each time because Narcomoeba is a creature card. I'm pretty proud of myself for this one.
Sol Ring @$2.75
Undead Warchief @$3.50
Unholy Grotto @$4.00
Cyclonic Rift @$3.00
Havengul Lich @$3.60
Mesmeric Orb @$6.00
Life from the Loam @$8.00
I was happy to see that (excluding basic lands which you could pretty much get for free anywhere) the deck comes to about $70. The are a couple of non-budget cards that are still fairly cheap (above $2 yet below $5) that are absolutely necessary for the deck to be worth its salt. There are two cards more expensive than $5 but still under $10 that I find are even more necessary to work. The deck is still budget because, thanks to all the money saved on the rest of the cards, these 7 cards should be relatively easy to acquire. Honestly, I don't think these cards have substitutes beyond really warping the deck. So I think a deck this efficient for around $70 is still budget (even the general only costs $1.25). These 7 cards add up to around $24, more or less, which I think is fair to beef up an already pretty solid deck. Trust me, the Mesmeric Orb Suite and Life from the Loam tricks are totally necessary. Also, Unholy Grotto is a must in order to effectively reuse Gempalm Polluter.
The deck runs a lot of creatures when compared to the other builds. And I do mean a lot of creatures. 41 creatures pretty much guarantees a zombie token each time you mill yourself. The reason for all the creatures is that the land base is budget, so ramp is needed. The awesome 'self-mill / library value' spells aren't budget, so budget creatures with more or less the same abilities were substituted in. Also, these creatures provide bodies for attacking, blocking, and sacrificing to Grimgrin, Corpse-Born, Altar of Dementia, etc.
One very important thing this budget deck still manages to do is to empower your horde: Cyclonic Rift, a couple of cheap zombie lords, (I've even considered adding Bow of Nylea because almost everything it does is useful to this deck, and it only costs ~$1), along with Filth and Wonder. On that note, to keep this budget, I added creatures that change land types to guarantee that an opponent without Swamps will have a Swamp. I also added Nylea's Presence which can benefit you (it cantrips, as well) by making lands like Unholy Grotto, Nephalia Drownyard, and others also tap for any color when not being utility and be all basic land types and can also make sure your opponent has a Swamp for when Filth is in the graveyard.
The essence of the competitive build is pretty much translated onto here. It's nowhere near as brutal and efficient, but it does get the job done. This deck still provides the Mesmeric Orb Suite, many ways of recurring Gempalm Polluter, many ways to still mill while getting topdeck advantage and filtering, graveyard recursion, animation, and massive zombie horde that's pumped and possibly unblockable. I think this version makes even more zombies than the competitive build, lol.
I tried to maintain all the most important elements in the deck without breaking budget and I feel I got it. I still have to test the deck and I have a list of cards to consider as well that didn't make the final cut in my thought-brewing that I will be intensely testing as well. Testing will show how viable this actually is, though I am pretty confident. There are 21 basic lands, so at ~$70 for 79 cards, each card averages at $1.13, which I think is still ok for a budget EDH deck as complicated as this one (and tri-color, no less). I will still try to find ways to lower the cost to around $50-$55. In the mean time, I'm gonna be testing this build.
My goal is to make this budget version replace the casual version in the original post so I hope this update was helpful! I want it to be budget and casual yet closer to brutal than friendly, lol. Let's see how it goes. Hopefully it won't take me 8 months for the breakthrough it took me with the competitive build. At least, thanks to that build I was able to know exactly what I wanted for this one. So, stay tuned for results!
Again, thanks to all those interested in my Sidisi, Brood Tyrant deck(s) and for taking the time to read such lengthy posts!
Forgot to mention:
This budget version makes it relatively difficult to avoid self-milling since the only rescue card at budget option is Gaea's Blessing. However, if one were to draw Gaea's Blessing, just cast it, then have Loaming Shaman enter play so that it gets shuffled back in the deck. It's also much harder to prevent graveyard hate with the lack of instantaneously placing Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre in your graveyard, but there are still ways to deal with the menace of graveyard hate; it's just limited being as it is a casual build after all. So, graveyard hate: the struggle is real.
Quote from DementedKirby »Thanks!
This build can definitely work without Gaea's Cradle because you can still abuse Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Cabal Coffers. Depending on your pod and/or LGS, you could use a gold-bordered Gaea's Cradle. However, even those which aren't legal to play in any sanctioned tournaments are at about $30 a piece...
Quote from Ghaespar »Have you tried running Training Grounds and Stitcher Geralf? They can be really brutal with token doublers..
Quote from Legion564 »Don't know if you've tried Deadeye Navigator but wouldn't it work really well with Sidisi?