Yes I'm aware his trigger is on attack, he would be completely unplayable otherwise. Im lamenting lack of evasion because this deck wins by combat damage so i need my guys to hit my opponents, not get chump blocked.
That's why I forgo most of these splashy Creatures and get under my opponent's Blocks.
I don't think it's worth it, since you can still whiff. I prefer my drops above 5 to be absolute haymakers like scourge, which will win you the game in short order, or rune-scarred, which is just an absolute beast.
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Well it will be anyway. I just updated it with ravnica allegiance so I need to get the cards to make the physical changes. Although I may wait a bit on purchasing Judith, the Scourge Diva since apparently speculation went rampant with her and jacked up her price.
What does everyone think about Burning-Tree Vandal? It's Benthic Biomancer for 3 mana up-front, but you don't have to adapt it to get a +1/+1 counter. It doesn't benefit from stacking multiple counters, though.
FYI - I cut Etali, Primal Storm real quick. I never even drew it in marchesa, I tried to play it in my norin deck and after two games of it sitting dead in my hand it got the boot everywhere. If it can't make it in a mono-red creature-nonsense deck there's no way I should be playing it here.
But now, to the new stuff! Bolas's Citadel is clearly calling my name. It's a 6-drop enchantment so I know we probably shouldn't play it. But given our low-curve I'm very tempted. This deck is always pretty willing to trade life for card advantage and boy is that likely to be a lot of it.
I also like both of the utility lands so far (Emergence Zone and Karn's Bastion) but slots for colorless lands are hard to come by. So they probably won't end up making the cut but we'll see.
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Butcher immediately made me think of Hellhole Flailer which I ran in very early builds of the deck but cut long ago. It'll surprise me if Butcher makes the cut for that reason.
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
This thing is super good for us. A reanimating (with marchesa) sac outlet that can just be silly big.
Idk it doesn't really have any evasion or anything and the sac'cing occurs at suboptimal times (i.e. can't really do it in response to removal or anything like that). Besides, wouldn't we just play Thunder-Thrash Elder instead? It's the same thing except it gets 3x counters per creature sacrificed...
Also Massacre Girl is pretty neat, it's kind of like that wrath-on-a-stick creature we keep hoping for. I really wish the initial trigger gave -2/-2 instead of -1/-1 though. Not sure its strong enough but might be worth testing? It is also a 4/4 with menace so that's always nice.
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Spark Double is almost the perfect clone for us. Unfortunately it does only copy something you control which is definitely a negative but being able to copy legendaries and entering with a +1/+1 counter i think makes up for it.
Ilharg, the Raze-Boar is probably too janky for us but at least warrants consideration since its aggressively costed, evasive and plays well with etb triggers. Two things of note -
1) His attack trigger does not work well with dethrone which is definitely unfortunate, youd need some other way to give the creatures he sneaks in counters to keep them.
2) His death trigger is a "may" so we can skip it if marchesa is going to bring him back or use it if he really died or got exiled which is nice.
God-Eternal Bontu looks real solid. 5 mana 5/6 with menace that can turn permanents into cards for us on ETB and can also protect itself if marchesa doesn't
Spark Double only being able to copy permanents we would control might end up being too much of a draw back, although the ability to protect itself straight off the bat and also to potentially copy Marchesa or any other legend is pretty neat.
Bontu and the Pig I'm also curious about, they're both potentially very impactful.
The clone is bananas, definitely agree that bontu is also a slam dunk. The boar seems like a fun card, which could be incredibly powerful with say venser.
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Mid-Tier: Marchesa Aggro Rose Asmadi Get Dire Tymna Ikra Woke Women Tiana Aura Angel Ruric Thar SMASH Smasher Kraum Mana Positivity Zur Slides
Filthy Casual: WUBRG Jodah WUBRG WUBRG Fatties WUBRG Gahiji Vigilant Vengeance Ezuri Mysterious Morphs
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
Well it will be anyway. I just updated it with ravnica allegiance so I need to get the cards to make the physical changes. Although I may wait a bit on purchasing Judith, the Scourge Diva since apparently speculation went rampant with her and jacked up her price.
I'm going to put Judith in, but I'm not sure what I'll drop for her. I got in a pre-order for her before the spike happened.
Edit: Burning-Tree Vandal is also a rogue, so Oona's Blackguard synergy!
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
But now, to the new stuff! Bolas's Citadel is clearly calling my name. It's a 6-drop enchantment so I know we probably shouldn't play it. But given our low-curve I'm very tempted. This deck is always pretty willing to trade life for card advantage and boy is that likely to be a lot of it.
I also like both of the utility lands so far (Emergence Zone and Karn's Bastion) but slots for colorless lands are hard to come by. So they probably won't end up making the cut but we'll see.
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R Zada Arcane Storm
RBU Marchesa
GWU Estrid
GWR Samut?
URB Kess
(R/W)(U/B) Akiri & Silas
BWR Alesha
R Neheb Dragons
G Nylea Wurms
W Darien
U Tetsuko
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Mid-Tier: Marchesa Aggro Rose Asmadi Get Dire Tymna Ikra Woke Women Tiana Aura Angel Ruric Thar SMASH Smasher Kraum Mana Positivity Zur Slides
Filthy Casual: WUBRG Jodah WUBRG WUBRG Fatties WUBRG Gahiji Vigilant Vengeance Ezuri Mysterious Morphs
Mid-Tier: Marchesa Aggro Rose Asmadi Get Dire Tymna Ikra Woke Women Tiana Aura Angel Ruric Thar SMASH Smasher Kraum Mana Positivity Zur Slides
Filthy Casual: WUBRG Jodah WUBRG WUBRG Fatties WUBRG Gahiji Vigilant Vengeance Ezuri Mysterious Morphs
Agreed. Neheb looks incredible, deginitely going straight in.
Butcher isnt bad i suppose, hadnt really thought about him. Probably passing on him personally but i see your point
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
This thing is super good for us. A reanimating (with marchesa) sac outlet that can just be silly big.
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Idk it doesn't really have any evasion or anything and the sac'cing occurs at suboptimal times (i.e. can't really do it in response to removal or anything like that). Besides, wouldn't we just play Thunder-Thrash Elder instead? It's the same thing except it gets 3x counters per creature sacrificed...
Also Massacre Girl is pretty neat, it's kind of like that wrath-on-a-stick creature we keep hoping for. I really wish the initial trigger gave -2/-2 instead of -1/-1 though. Not sure its strong enough but might be worth testing? It is also a 4/4 with menace so that's always nice.
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Spark Double is almost the perfect clone for us. Unfortunately it does only copy something you control which is definitely a negative but being able to copy legendaries and entering with a +1/+1 counter i think makes up for it.
Ilharg, the Raze-Boar is probably too janky for us but at least warrants consideration since its aggressively costed, evasive and plays well with etb triggers. Two things of note -
1) His attack trigger does not work well with dethrone which is definitely unfortunate, youd need some other way to give the creatures he sneaks in counters to keep them.
2) His death trigger is a "may" so we can skip it if marchesa is going to bring him back or use it if he really died or got exiled which is nice.
Bontu and the Pig I'm also curious about, they're both potentially very impactful.
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)