Introduction & Deck History
The deck originated as a Lazav mill/clone deck. I realized pretty quickly though, that the deck was to slow to hold its own. It relied to heavily on other player's cards, and I couldn't really get going until Lazav was on the field. I sought ways to improve it, and the other decks I found relied heavily on control and equipment-based voltron tactics. I started to move in more control and away from clones a bit, but I was still worried about the deck. The type of voltron decks I'd seen him in didn't really appeal to me personally, and I didn't want to change to that.
When BoG spoilers started, I followed it intently, hoping to gain a new piece for the deck in Phenax. Instead, when Phenax was first spoiled, I decided to run him as my new commander. It was clear almost immediately that he's an extremely powerful mill combo card, and he fits in well with a pillow fort theme. While not something I had tried before, it seemed like a deck I would enjoy building around. I knew going in, though, that mill is typically a difficult win con in EDH, and blue/black isn't exactly the best color combination for a standard pillow fort theme. For that reason, I decided to round it off with control and removal. It works with the mill by sending stuff to the graveyard, and with the pillow fort by giving my opponents less to come at me with.
Why Play Phenax? Phenax is a mill commander, through and through. Additionally, he's one that needs to be well built around. For EDH, this might not sound like a great combination, but he's a lot of fun. This deck embodies the cobbled-together nature of the format, meaning that every game plays out differently. Each of these plays is going to provide us with different and interesting ways to win the game. Generally, they focus on some strategy of taking options away from our opponents.
Whether we're going for a win, or merely looking for some support, perhaps the best part of this deck is the way the cards within it synergize with our commander. Phenax's ability allows us to use cards in ways they were never intended, but without being totally overpowered or broken. Cards with little to no milling capacity on their own become win conditons. Creatures with hard to use and gimmicky abilities can now be used consistently to great effect.
This deck might be for you if...
You like mill and control: Mill is obviously the most important part of the deck, so it's only for people who like it. Additionally, the deck contains control elements, and it is sometimes best to use mill in control-ish ways.
You like combos: This deck is built mainly around the way different cards interact with each other.
You like decks that give you a unique experience every time.
You like strategic decks: For a variety of reasons, this deck requires you to adapt and react to situations strategically.
You can enjoy winning quickly or slowly: This deck has a lot of ways to win the game. Some take some setting up, and some can be played at a moment's notice. Different games will require one over the other, so this deck is for someone who can enjoy either.
This deck might not be for you if...
You dislike mill: Mill is a polarizing force within the game, so it merits repeating here.
You prefer an aggressive deck: This deck is generally defensive, and it is very uncommon to win via a huge assault.
You like having a go-to card or combo: Every game will require something different. Additionally, something could win one game and not help much the next.
You can't handle taking a fair share of damage: Playing this deck, I can almost guarantee you will get some unfair hate. Oftentimes it's necessary to accept the hate until building up a solid defense.
You're not comfortable building around your commander: Phenax isn't the sole enabler of win-cons, but he's a huge piece in the deck. There are risks to this, and playing this deck requires accepting those.
You want to win every game: This deck is very good at winning, even pulling out a win with our back against the wall. That being said, it does lose its fair share of games, including to the previously mentioned hate.
Alternative Mill Commanders
There are several other commanders that can used to mill. They tend to be more aggressive, and thus represent very different strategies. That being said, they're still worth discussing.
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind: He's a very powerful clone/copy card when paired with mill. He can make for a very powerful voltron, makes excellent use of milled creatures, and is very difficult to remove. Wrexial, The Risen Deep: He's also a powerful as a voltron and a miller. He's great at slipping through to hit your opponent, and can give you access to some great stuff in their graveyard. Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker: Mirko is an aggressive commander who focuses on heavy mill. Getting a free Mind Funeral every turnfor free is great, but he needs to get through first. Szadek, Lord of Secrets: Szadek shares many of the strengths and weakness with Mirko. When built up, he can mill for devastating amounts. To be useful though, he also needs to hit a few times. Oona, Queen of the Fae: Oona is a fantastic commander. She lends herself well to bleeding opponents' libraries as well as some amazing combos. She's probably the most competitive commander for this type of deck, but she's also the least focused on "traditional" mill.
Win Conditions
Each of the main win conditions for this deck is listed below. Each win-con has a description of the cards that make it possible below it. Combo cards that assist in these wins will be discussed later.
1. Mill
With Phenax, it's surprisingly viable for this format. Even without the wincon, it a toolbox for other parts of the deck.
(Only cards that just contribute to this condition are listed here).
Eater of the Dead: This guy has one of the most potent synergies with Phenax in the deck. There's a good chance he can mill everyone out as soon as he gets going. If he doesn't, he still mills for a ton, and with Phenax he can also exile creatures from a graveyard at instant speed, eliminating things like Eldrazi. Endbringer: Just in terms of mill, this card is great because it scales up with the game size. Even in a 2-player game it can mill for 10 per game round, and that number goes up with each additional player in the game. Plus, depending on how much colored mana we have access to, it has up to four useful and well costed abilities that we can use each turn. Knacksaw Clique: While this does give us options from an opponent's graveyard, we need mana for the cards we exile, and we can't use things like creatures and lands during an opponents turn. The ability is very handy for mill though. We can turn excess mana into a large mill, and the exile means a few cards can't ever come back. Morphling: Morphling allows us to turn our open mana into huge amounts of mill. With only the five mana we used the turn before to cast it (as long as at least three is blue), it can mill for 20 cards. Additionally, its abilities make it good for defending and good at dodging removal. Tree of Perdition: This card is an insanely powerful mill engine. On top of that, it's fairly cheap and an amazing pillowfort card.
2. Pumped up creatures
This deck features several creatures who get bigger and/or deal more damage as opponents' graveyards grow. Often they'll be able to take someone out in 1-2 attacks.
Nighthowler: He grows slowly by comparison to the others, but he can still get huge quickly off of mill. Additionally, the ability to Bestow will leave us a creature in the event of a boardwipe. Sewer Nemesis: This guys is a little tricky, because he requires an milling an opponent to get built up, but in multiplayer we need to keep that player alive to if we want to keep using him. He's also very susceptible to Eldrazi and the like. That being said, He quickly becomes huge, milling for large amounts and often swinging for lethal damage. Consuming Aberration: Easily the most powerful creature in this category. He grows huge fast, and the fact that he grows from all graveyards mean that if we tap him to mill, he's always milling for exponential amounts. Being tied to all opponents makes him far less susceptible to gy hate and shuffling. Also, whenever we cast a spell, he's guaranteed to grow by at least 1 for each opponent.
3. Overwhelm them with creatures
Right now this is a small category, but it's still viable. We turn the cards we've milled into an army of creatures to either swing or keep milling with.
Undead Alchemist: One of the most useful creatures in the deck. Unchecked, he generates a huge army, which grows at a multiplicative rate. He synergizes great with the deck, and occassionally with our opponents decks (for us). With Intruder Alarm we have the strong chance of an infinite combo, and Thousand-Year Elixir and Altar of Dementia both give it a huge boost. Ghastly Conscription: While expensive, this card is really versatile in the options it gives us. We have the option of just using it for the army of 2/2s, which can give us a ton of bang for our buck late game. Additionally, we can use it as an expensive enabler to essentially cast creatures from our graveyard or our opponents'. It also has amazing synergy with Intruder Alarm
4. Turning mill into damage
This one is pretty self explanatory. These cards allow me to turn each card I mill into damage, rather than needing to mill an opponent out completely.
Duskmantle Guildmage: Because of the mana cost, we need to be careful when we use him and his ability, but he can easily win games. He also has ways of milling for small pockets of damage.
5. Take an opponents win condition
This deck isn't built to be a copy deck, but it does pack a few powerful ways to take options from an opponent's graveyard and their library.
Geth, Lord of the Vault: Geth lets us grab any creature or artifact from an opponent's graveyard, which is fantastic. He can provide us with some great utility, take options from a reanimator decks, even grab an Eldrazi to keep it out of an opponents deck if we have the mana. The fact that it only costs that cards cmc + 1 is great, and the fact that he
also mills is just fantastic. Praetor's Grasp: This card has two uses. We can remove a huge threat from the game permanently, or we can use it to take any on-color card from an opponent's deck for ourselves. The former can save us, the latter can win. Memory Plunder: This card gives us a lot of options in this deck. We can use it to grab some emergency control magic or boardwipe at instant speed to stay alive. Also, I've used it on cards like Insurrection to turn an opponent's dangerous board-state into a win. Bribery: This card is absolutely phenomenal, and well worth the monetary cost in my opinion. Having access to any creature in an opponent's deck on turn 5 can be a humungous advantage, one from which your opponents might never recover.
Supporting Cards
This category is for all of the cards in the deck that don't fit into the category of "win conditions". Cards are grouped by
the role they play instead of card type. Each category of supporting cards has a list of all cards that fit into it below
its description.
Mill
These are all the cards that contribute towards taking cards out of an opponents deck, but don't win the game by themselves.
Again, because so many cards mill and do something else, only the cards that contribute only to this category are listed here.
Traumatize: This is the only single-target, single-use mill card I consider worth including right now. It inherently can't win a game by itself, but it mills a huge number of cards for cheap.
Pillowfort/Defense
These are all cards whose purpose is to keep us safe. They're here to discourage our opponents from attacking us and/or preventing them from getting through if they do attack.
Fog Bank: It's a bit lacking in terms of mill, but it's fantastic blocker. It doesn't matter how big a creature is, fog bank can block it again and again. Drift of Phantasms: Cheap pillowfort that can mill nicely with the potential to act as a soft tutor. Wall of Frost: In addition to having a big butt for blocking and milling, its ability will further discourage players from attacking us in the first place. No Mercy: This card is a fantastic deterrent. It forces our opponents to choose between whittling us down or killing us and keeping their creatures. Propaganda: This reduces the chances our opponents will attack us. It can make an attack no longer worth doing, and it can also make it impossible for an opponent to take, even stopping some infinitely large armies. Maze of Ith: This card is one of the most powerful pillowfort cards out there. It's essentially free to use, and it can even be made to produce mana. Additionally, it has some really strong combos with other cards in the deck.
Control/Removal
All of these cards are here for the purpose of either preventing something from being played or taking something off of our opponents' battlefields.
Evil Twin: This is one of the two clone cards in the deck. I chose it, and it's in this category, specifically for its other ability. It can give me a copy of a powerful threat and remove it. Its wording also means it can be used to shut a commander out of the game for 2 mana each time. Glen Elendra Archmage: This card does a whole lot for us. It lets us counter two spells, and hits a lot, for a pretty reasonable mana cost. It's also great deterrent, gives us an emergency chump blocker, and adds a small amount of mill. King Macar, the Gold-Cursed: He does great things in our deck, providing powerful removal and mana fixing. All of this is done while still being able to attack or mill. He also works great with some of the deck's combo cards. Surgespanner: This guy turned out to be a surprise hit. While still milling, he provides cheap and recurrable bounce at instant speed. He can set an opponent back or save something of ours, including himself. Sheoldred, Whispering One: Within a couple turns, she can clear our opponents' boards. We also get our own creatures back, which is a huge bonus. Go for the Throat & Rapid Hybridization: These are cheap and easy to use spot removal with minimal downsides. Counterspell: Can counter any spell for a good cost. Curse of the Swine: This card is fantastic multi-target removal. It's cheap, and the exile kills indestructible creatures as well as keeping anything hit from coming back. The downside might seem like a bit much, but the boars are pretty much guaranteed to be safer than whatever we removed. Cyclonic Rift: This card can be used as a quick and easy bounce, but its real value comes from the overload ability. It can prevent a devastating attack, return stolen creatures to our hand, or simply to give us a huge advantage over our opponents. Muddle the Mixture: By itself, this card is a half-decent control spell. That's certainly nice to have, but it earned its spot in the deck by having transmute. Transmuting for a 2 mana card gives us access to powerful control, powerful removal, and several combo pieces and win-cons. Hero's Downfall: Spot removal that can hit a huge range of targets. I chose if over Murder because the defensive nature of this deck means pw's are harder to deal with This helps fill that hole. Toxic Deluge: A powerful and cheap boardwipe that has the potential to leave the deck's high toughness essentially unharmed. Foul Renewal: Gives us a creature back, and acts as removal. Life's Finale: Even though the deck relies on creatures, board wipes are great because they'll get us out of some sticky situations. I chose this one for the flavor, but the ability has actually proven to be a huge boon in some games. Set Adrift: Thanks to its synergy with the deck, this gives us removal against things like artifacts and enchantments (not to mention pw's), which is huge for UB. Delve makes it easy to cast, even if it requires reluctantly milling ourselves for a few.
Other Utility Cards
Mana producers aside, this is the category for everything not listed above. These cards provide handy purposes, but don't merit their own grouping for this deck.
Profane Momento: For just 1cmc this card lets us turn mill into life, providing a safety net with the possibility of saving us from an imminent loss. Altar of Dementia: This card gives us some extra mill, and it allows for some great combos. It can also be used to save a creature from a worse fate. This includes protecting Phenax. If he's a creature, he can be sac'd to prevent things like getting shuffled. Additionally, we could sac someone to lower our devotion, making Phenax no longer a viable target for some spells (i.e. Terminus). Geist of the Archives: This card let's us scry once per turn in addition to having a decent butt for milling and early blocking. Thousand-Year Elixir: This is a combo card that unlocks some huge potential. Being able to use tap abilities right away can allow us to beat removal, and even win immediately with some win-con creatures. The ability to untap creatures allows us to use abilities twice. This includes getting two inspired triggers, the first of which we can use at instant speed. Disciple of Deceit: This card synergizes great with the deck, giving us recurrable transmute for no mana cost and while still milling or attacking. Siren of the Silent Song: The siren does have a mill component, but it makes the deck on its discard ability. It synergizes amazingly with the deck, and its ability can be safely triggered each turn. It can force opponents into top-deck mode, especially with an untapper on the field. Fallowsage: Allows for easy to use, recurrable card draw. He does this all while still milling opponents. Phyrexian Metamorph: Our second clone card. It's handy because it's cheap and easy to cast, and it can target a creature or artifact. Oona, Queen of the Fae: She's easy to cast having 3 hybrid mana symbols, and is a great defender being a 5/5 with flying. Her ability allows us to blow extra mana to permanently remove cards from an opponents deck. Some of these cards can be turned into creatures, which is great for defending and extra mill. Intruder Alarm: This card allows us to get multiple uses out of tap abilities per turn. It even allows for combos that can essentially be infinite. Phyrexian Arena: Reliable card draw with a small downside, this card is a huge help. Rhystic Study: Another source of reliable card draw. Even in EDH, there are a lot of times where the cost won't get paid to stop you. Reanimate & Necromancy: These cards allow us to bring back our own stuff or take something, including a creature we've milled, from an opponent's graveyard. Crypt Incursion: This card is phenomenal in this deck. It can shut down re-animator decks or prevent an Eldrazi from getting shuffled (non-creatures still get shuffled, but this still makes winning easier). The life gain can also be huge with this deck. Being at instant speed, this card can make for some nasty surprises, and can turn a game around. Sadistic Sacrament: This card can remove a few threats from an opponents deck, or strip it almost completely with enough mana. This can take away dangerous win conditions, as well as problems like Eldrazi. Demonic Tutor: One of only a few tutors in the deck. While this deck doesn't absolutely need any particular card, it's always nice to pull something for a specific situation. Jace, Memory Adept: This Jace is nice, because he gives us access to reliable card draw, as well as mill, all without needing to pop his ultimate.
Mana Producers
These are the non-basic sources of mana for the deck. Many of them were chosen because they offer more than just the mana they produce.
Sol Ring: An extra two mana per turn is great, especially because we get a net gain immediately upon playing it. Springleaf Drum: Not only is this easy to cast without upsetting the deck's tempo, but it grants an alternate/early way to trigger the abilities of our guys that happen on tap or untap. Dimir Signet, Chromatic Lantern, & Talisman of Dominance: All of these mana rocks give us access to both our colors, with an added advantage either in cost or secondary ability. Arcane Lighthouse: It produces mana and can be invaluable in helping to remove a threat. Bojuka Bog: In addition to providing mana, we get to clear out a gy. This is a huge safeguard against reanimator decks. Command Tower, Dimir Aqueduct, Drowned Catacomb, Creeping Tar Pit, Tainted Isle, Temple of Deceit, & Watery Grave: All of these lands give us access to both our colors. Each of these offers upsides to make them better options than other lands that do the same thing. Some of the alternatives can be quite viable, however, and should be considered if cost is an issue. Mystifying Maze: Another pillowfort land. Even though it costs mana to use, it's nice that it can provide mana and the temporary exile can be quite useful. Minamo, School at Water's Edge: This card gives us no real downsides over a normal island, and it allows us to get extra use out of a legend. Reliquary Tower: This is a great utility land, providing mana while also letting us go crazy with card draw. Rogue's Passage: While the deck is primarily oriented towards defense, there are times where we want to swing in. This card gives an aid to that end, without having to sacrifice something else. Strip Mine: We can face some nasty lands in this format. This card is nice to help mitigate them. Thespian's Stage & Vesuva: These cards are here mainly for flavor, but they can be quite useful. We can use them to copy lands like Command Tower for mana, or one of many different utility lands. Tolaria West: In a pinch, it's a slow island. The real upside is being able to search for a utility land like Maze of Ith
Cards I'm considering
All of the cards on this list are cards I'm considering for the deck, but for whatever reason haven't been able to add to the deck or test yet.
Pemmin's Aura: Essentially turns one of our creatures into a Morphling, and allows for some nasty combos. Mesmeric Orb: Mills everyone at the table pretty consistently. It's not an auto-include because this deck focuses heavily on tapping and untapping mechanics, so this could potentially get dangerous in bigger games. Puppeteer Clique: Cheaply gives us access to 1-2 cards in our opponents' gy's. Adding something to make it infinite isn't out of the question either. Aetherspouts: It's a great defensive option. If an opponent sends the creatures to the bottom, great. If they send them to the top, we can either let them draw into them for some card disadvantage or mill them for easy "kills". Domineering Will: This card could be extremely valuable to us. We can defend ourselves or build up good will with an opponent, eliminate threats or get rid of utility cards that wouldn't risk attacking, or if we're really in a pinch we can use it just so we can mill twice with three creatures. Turnabout Great control magic or additional mill and tap/untap triggers all at instant speed. Tidal Force Big mills and a utility that synergizes fantastically with this deck. Lim-Dûl's Vault Pretty much speaks for itself, it's powerful library manipulation. Lantern of Insight The instant speed mill of the deck allows for controlling player draws in specific situations. This opens up the field of possibilities for this. Mind Over Matter It's not the easiest card to cast in this deck, but the potential is huge. It offers great control and abuse of our tap/untap mechanics. Crumbling Sanctuary This will likely generate hate, but it also buys us time. Synthetic Destiny This has some great potential, including for dodging board wipes. Dread Summons Mills everyone and then gives us creatures to keep on milling. Vampiric Tutor A strong tutor option for the deck.
Cards that Cost too Much
As the name implies, these are cards that either cost too much to be worth getting (in my opinion), or I intend to get them but haven't yet due to costs.
Force of Will & Mana Drain These are both huge steps up from all of the countermagic in the deck. Underground Sea This would be a direct upgrade to any of our two-color lands. Jace, the Mind Sculptor For one mana less than Jace, Memory Adept, we get to upgrade from drawing every turn to brainstorming every turn. While it would be a little sad to lose the 10 card mill and the 20 card draw, they're something I've rarely found myself using. Additionally, Memory Adept's other abilities do a great job of making up for it. Polluted Delta Khans has thankfully drastically lowered the cost of this card, but it's still hard to justify. Without Underground Sea, it loses a lot of its utility.
Meta-Specific Cards
These are all good cards that don't fit into my meta or most metas in general. In specific cases though, they really shine and deserve a spot.
Bloodchief Ascension This card is insanely powerful in a mill deck. The problem is that it's nearly impossible for us to activate by ourselves in a pillowfort deck, and our opponents won't willingly activate it. Decks like Purphoros, God of the Forge and Nekusar, the Mindrazer that deal damage across the board will easily activate it for us, though. In the case of the latter, this card is also an amazing counter. Lantern of Insight This offers us so much control over the game by improving the deck's ability to fateseal our opponents. When an opponent tutors a card to the top of their library or plays with something that reveals the top card of their library, I believe it's their own fault when I purposely mill something away. The level of control this card offers, however, I feel is too cutthroat for what I'm trying to do with the deck. But if it works for you and your meta, it's absolutely worth including.
3/8/14: Mind Funeral >> Altar of Dementia I chose to swap out Mind Funeral because it's single target, single use mill that is a bit inconsistent, but generally low on numbers anyways. When I first went to test the altar, I was dubious about it, because a lot of my creatures have power's of 0. When I played it though, I got a lot of use out of it, even comboing with Undead Alchemist for a massive combo and a win. I'm very pleased with it Withered Wretch >> Eater of the Dead While it's more expensive to play, and can't exile just anything, Eater of the Dead gets creatures, which are the most important for this deck to be able to exile at instant speed. Additionally, the 0 cost allows more consistent exiling. It naturally mills for more cards, and it also combines exile with a combo capable of milling a huge portion, if not all, of a person's deck. Muddle the Mixture >> Surgespanner While both cards provide control, Surgespanner does it better in this deck. It gives me reusable bounce that can be activated at instant speed with Phenax. I can use it to bounce any permanent, meaning I can use it to slow my opponents down, destroy tokens, or protect one of my creatures, even itself.
3/24/14: Archive Trap >> Muddle the Mixture I realized I was really missing out by taking Muddle from the deck. Aside from being a half-decent control spell, the ability to transmute for a 2 mana card is invaluable in this deck. It can pull a wincon or some of the most powerful control or removal in the deck. I chose Archive Trap because, even with the ability to play it for free, it still wasn't strong enough to justify a single target, single use mill spell. Mindcrank >> Thousand-Year Elixir I finally got to test the Elixir, and it did SO much for this deck. It really is phenomenal. I got rid of Mindcrank, because aside from an infinite combo with two cards, it's pretty useless in this deck. Luckily the Elixir can still pull off some massive combos.
4/7/14: Acquire >> Bribery Both have the ability to to pull a win-con or be a dud. That being said, I feel I'm getting better mileage out of Bribery. It's useful in a huge variety of situations, and it's definitely won me a game or two so far. Szadek, Lord of Secrets >> Oona, Queen of the Fae Oona hasn't quite come out swinging as strong as I'd hoped, but she's still an improvement. For one less mana, I still start with a 5/5 flier when I cast her. Additionally, Szadek's ability didn't really synergize with the deck. This deck does have aggressive cards, but he was too slow and left me open, and that was if he was hitting a player every turn. Oona's ability, while expensive, doesn't require her to attack, bleeds out an opponents deck, and can provide me with chump blockers/millers. Pilfered Plans >> Fallowsage This was a swap I was hesitant about at first. Pilfered Plans is nice because it gains me two cards early and mills a little. I realized though, that with good mulligans and the high number of win-cons, that I don't really need the early kick. Additionally, Fallowsage can give me more cards consistently, without a drawback like most draw engines, and I can mill with him while still drawing. He'll generally mill for more than Pilfered Plans, and the ability to do so at instant speed is extremely useful.
6/28/14: Jace's Phantasm >> Disciple of Deceit The easy-to-use and reusable transmute from the disciple was something I had to give a try, and it did not disappoint. I'm swapping it in for the phantasm, because just being a 5/5 flier, even with the U cost, just isn't worth it. Keening Stone >> King Macar, the Gold-Cursed King-Macar was simply too good to pass up in this deck. Even when he gets to be hated early, the removal and extra mana are simply phenomenal. I pulled Keening Stone because even though it was a win con, I never used it. In fact, it was pretty much an auto-mulligan. Hedron Crab >> Rhystic Study I realized that this deck really sings when it has some card draw going. I chose Rhystic Study because it's cheap to play and can draw a lot. I pulled the crab because, like the phantasm, I wasn't getting enough bang for my buck, even with the cost. Dimir Guildgate >> Temple of Deceit This one was an easy choice. The temple is a direct upgrade. Murder >> Hero's Downfall While this card is also a direct upgrade, it's an expensive one. I went with it because it helps handle planeswalkers, something the deck needed.
12/1/14 Nemesis of Reason >> Morphling The nemesis is a decent miller, but it's kind of underwhelming for its mana cost. The morphling will cost us more in the long run, but it gets way more done for us as well. Nephalia Drownyard >> Reliquary Tower This was an easy change. I've never found myself using the drownyard to mill. As I've added card draw to the deck, I have found myself wanting for the tower. Dimir Cluestone >> Commander's Sphere This was a no-brainer, the sphere being a direct upgrade to the cluestone.
3/5/15 Swan Song >> Glen Elendra Archmage The only edge here is that swan song can be cast earlier. The archmage can counter twice, is a great deterrent, can mill a small amount, contributes one devotion, can target more things, and doesn't give our opponent a creature
4/1/15 Island >> Tolaria West Tolaria West is a little less useful as a land, but the utility it provides is too good to pass up. Swamp >> Arcane Lighthouse The utility on the lighthouse has proven fantastic against things like [Card]Lightning Greaves[/Card Darksteel Ingot >> Talisman of Dominance The talisman is faster and more convenient than the ingot. It's also been surprisingly easy to live off 1 colorless, so the burn isn't really an issue. Guiltfeeder >> Maze of Ith As I moved towards pillowfort, the maze became an obvious choice. Guiltfeeder just wasn't doing it for me, so I made the switch there. Diabolic Tutor >> Demonic Tutor Demonic tutor is strictly better, and I was finally able to get one.
7/9/15 Rend Flesh >> Foul Renewal While this change is ultimately a side-grade, I feel like Foul Renewal does more for the deck, and it's certainly a better thematic fit.
8/21/15 Liliana Vess >> Drift of Phantasms Liliana was really in the deck as a tutor, and she was pretty bad at it. Even though the drift can grab less, it can grab things like win cons, and it's just a great, versatile card in this deck. Commander's Sphere >> Springleaf Drum The problem with 3 cmc rocks in this deck is that it tends to be so disruptive to the tempo. The drum is a lot easier to sneak in, and it has fantastic synergy with some of the deck's utility creatures.
11/5/15 Bloodchief Ascension >> Profane Momento As much as I loooove the Ascension, this deck really isn't equipped to set if off. And, I don't have anyone in my meta who does enough non-targeted damage to set it off for me. The Momento on the other hand provides a solid safety net, and can even be a decent tutor target.
1/8/16 Mind Grind >> Ghastly Conscription Unfortunately Mind Grind looked a lot better on paper than in practice. It scales up with bigger games and can mill a ton for a reasonable price. The problem was that because it's spread out, it always felt underwhelming. No matter how much I spent on it, I always found myself wishing I could wait and make it bigger. Ghastly Conscription is a fun card with good synergy with the deck, granting us a few great options late game. Avatar of Woe >> Set Adrift The synergy the Avatar has with the deck's tap mechanics is great, it's ability came at the cost of being able to mill. It earned its spot because of the extra synergy it has with mill, becoming significantly cheaper. The issue is that it usually takes so long to get 10 creatures in graveyards that it almost might as well cost the full eight mana. It was just too slow. Set Adrift is amazing because it allows us to remove permanents we normally couldn't in these colors.
3/26/16 Sepulchural Primordial >> Endbringer Sepulchural Primordial is extremely powerful in this deck when it goes off. Endbringer is more consistent and easier to use with the added bonus of being more on-flavor. The Primordial is a card I often have to sit on, because it requires a lot of setup to not be a waste. Endbringer on the other hand is always useful the second I'm able to play it, and it has the upside of having a lower CMC. Plus it has a larger array of abilities. Swamp >> Hall of the Bandit Lord I was worried about this card at first. It's slower than a Swamp, even with Endbringer the colorless mana is far less useful, and every time I use it, unless I have Chromatic Lantern or someone has an Urborg, it deals 3 damage. The haste is insanely useful though. It means being able to use utility creatures and wincons immediately. The latter can mean that instead of dropping something like Eater of the Dead and hoping it lasts until my next turn, I can often drop a wincon and immediately win. Island >> Underground River Like with Talisman of Dominance, I've found that I rarely ever end up specifically needing colored mana from this card. This makes its downside almost trivial while having a fantastic upside. Plus as a bonus it helps with Endbringer.
9/4/16 Glacial Wall >> Tree of Perdition: The tree is a fantastic win con, and better in almost every way. I'm not crazy about the increase in CMC, but it's proven to be well worth it.
9/26/16 Hover Barrier >> Geist of the Archives: With the need for early fliers not proving to be that important, the geist provides more utility.
4/13/17 Life's Finale >> Damnation: Thanks to the reprint, this is affordable enough to get a spot.
The Role of Phenax
As our commander, Phenax plays no small part in this deck. That being said, what he does can be summed by three roles. The first of which is mill, the most important part. He enables most of our milling. The mill he enables is often a win con by itself, but it also acts as a toolbox setting up other win conditions. Secondly, he gives creatures a no-mana-cost, instant speed tap ability. While also milling, it gives creatures with triggers on being tapped or untapped a safe way for their abilities to be used. Finally, he contributes towards the pillowfort theme of the deck. Once we have devotion, have a 4/7 indestructible blocker, which obviously can take a ton of pressure off of us.
The Opening Hand
The opening hand is pretty simple, and there's a lot of things that are acceptable. Generally for this deck you'll want 3-4 mana producers. After that, the big things to look for are early defensive options and card draw. The last things to look for are (in order of importance) utility creatures with cmc<5, win cons, and control/removal/other utility. You'll definitely want at least one of the first two that can be dropped before Phenax.
Early Game
For this deck, the early game is going to be everything we do before getting out Phenax. Like with most decks, we want to spend it building a foundation for the rest of the game. After we've established a mana base, card draw if we have it, is our first priority. It makes the deck a lot more reliable, and the earlier we do it the better. Even keeping in mind that we want to hold on to as much life as possible, an early Phyrexian Arena is never a bad thing. After that, this stage is all about building up a defense and setting up combos for Phenax. If we have the ability to do both, the order in which we do it all depends on our opponents. If our opponents already represent a threat, it's better to start with defense. If we feel safe, we can get the combo pieces down and then fill in the defensive pieces as needed. There are of course, exceptions to this rule though. No Mercy is pretty much always your first option when you get four mana, unless an opponent already has enchantment removal. Conversely, Duskmantle Guildmage represents such a big threat that we want to wait to play him until we can actually use him.
Mid Game
This is the part of the game where we get Phenax out, and where we start milling and setting up win conditions. Generally speaking, Phenax is the go-to card for five mana. There are, however, exceptions to this. I personally would play Consuming Aberration or Eater of the Dead before Phenax when possible. The reason for this is that this order allows us to use their abilities the second Phenax hits the table, speeding the process up by a turn. Once Phenax is out, we can begin milling. Politics are going to be a very important part of this stage. We're a mill deck, which means we are quite likely to be unfairly targeted. For this reason, while we are working towards a win, we also want to keep building up our pillow fort and giving enemies reasons to attack each other over us. We only want to be aggressive is there's a defensive justification, or if we're moving in for a win. When it comes to milling, we want to mill players evenly, so as to avoid hate. It's important to keep in mind what each player is giving us, though. If we're low on life and are getting ready to pop Crypt Incursion , for example, we want to be consistently milling a player with a creature-heavy deck. At this stage, it's very important not to get carried away with building up our board. We want to have a strong and secure board
state, but leaving everything on the table leaves us extremely vulnerable to board wipes.
Late Game
This is the part of the game we've been building towards. At this point, we're looking for the final piece(s) we need to end the game. These could come in the form of big mill, but also by using our opponents' graveyards, which should be quite full by now. When tutoring and moving towards a win in general, it's important to keep in mind that there is no 100% go-to target. If we're looking to swing in with a pumped up fatty, Cyclonic Rift will work wonders. While this card is always amazing, if we're merely looking to mill, we need to instead keep in mind what cards will combo with our current board to make a win possible. Intruder Alarm and Thousand-Year Elixir are by far the most powerful cards in
this category, but we also have a variety of ways to win without them. It's worth noting here that given equally viable choices between swinging for lethal with a creature like Consuming Aberration or milling, go for the damage, especially against unfamiliar decks. This mitigates the risk of an unforeseen shuffle effect slowing or crippling the win con.
Strengths
These are the matchups our deck does best against. How to handle these matchups is relatively straightforward, so I'll just explain them briefly.
Creature-Heavy Decks
Most of our graveyard shenanigans use creatures, so these kind of decks really feed us. Additionally, we're heavy on removal for those that hit the board.
Self-Mill/Reanimator Decks
These decks fall under both strengths and weaknesses for this deck. We're strong against them mitigating the weakness serves to cripple a key feature of these decks.
Defensive Decks
These are decks that aren't going to be coming straight for us, meaning we'll avoid early hate. Additionally, we're not aiming to (though we can) come at them with combat damage, so their defenses are next to useless against us.
Weaknesses
These are the situations and matchups our deck struggles with the most. Within each, I'll go into ways we can deal with them.
Kozilek & Ulamog
While there is a decent number of cards that shuffle themselves or an opponent's graveyard, these two are the only ones who can give us serious trouble. Luckily, we can exile them and eliminate their threat entirely. We can exile them from the battlefield or from an opponent's library to prevent a shuffle from ever happening. We can also catch them in the gy at instant speed. While the shuffle will still happen, it will prevent it from happening again.
Self-Mill/Reanimator Decks
Whether we can effectively deal with this kind of deck depends on whether we pull the right things. Luckily, we have lots of options. Exiling creatures as described above (as well as at sorcery speed) is a great way to take away their bread and butter. We can take the creatures in their gy's for ourselves, as well turn cards hitting their gy into loss of life for them.
Board Wipes
In a creature heavy deck like this, these can get quite annoying. We have a small amount of control available to us to help a little bit, and more can be added depending on the meta. Swan Song might be a silly, limited counterspell, but it's hard to regret keeping that U open. Even in a board-wipe light meta, it's important to be wary. This deck is heavy on win-cons; consider holding onto a couple in your hand if you're already in a strong position to take the game.
Creature-Light Decks
Just as milling lots of creatures is great for us, milling only a few can be quite disappointing. We have some very useful options that don't rely on creatures in yards that we can use against these decks. If we need creatures for a win-con, we can mill out other opponents instead. This can take the focus of the player we're not milling off of us. Once the other opponents have given us options, we should take out this player first so we can use the utility available to us against everyone.
When to Mill
Being able to mill at instant speed allows us to mill at just about any time, and gives us a lot of ways we can use the mill to our advantage. Like with most instant speed things, waiting until last-minute is a smart move, and most of our milling will take place at the end step directly before our turn. This our default, when we will be milling in all circumstances not covered in this section.
The first thing I want to touch upon is when NOT to mill. The first case when we don't is when we can only mill for some small number of cards (say 4 or less in total). Even milling one card can generate hate, as silly as that may be, so we want to make sure it's worth it. The second is against a big threat. If milling them isn't going to give us an immediate (or near-immediate) win, there's no sense in drawing their attention to us. The last case is if we know an opponent has an Eldrazi, and we don't have anything to catch it. We're better off having some cards in their gy to use than none at all if a shuffle happens. I should note that in all three cases, it might be worth milling for the ability it triggers.
Now that you know the default case and when not to mill, we can talk about the special circumstances. If an opponent plays a tutor that puts a card on top of their library, it would be a very wise move indeed to hit them with a small mill. This is
to defend as "What else did you expect" and "I had to do it". Triggering an ability is also a good reason to mill and in some cases (it's really up to your discretion) it might even override the reasons not to mill. A good example would be using Surgespanner to bounce an attacking creature before it can deal combat damage. If we're going to lose a creature due to something like combat damage to a board wipe, you should absolutely mill the player taking it out. Not only does this give us the most possible use out of that creature, but it's also generally considered a fair response to this action and is unlikely to generate hate. Finally, we have the emergency win. We might be in a position where we'll lose if an opponent makes it to their next turn. In such a case, it's best to mill during the upkeep of the opponent directly after us in the turn order. Being before the draw step, it can kill anyone, and it ensures APNAP is always on our side, allowing Undead Alchemist to exile an Eldrazi, for example.
Combos/Synergies
This deck is built very heavily on interactions between cards within the deck. Almost every card has at least a few, and I'll discuss the most significant of them here.
Intruder Alarm + King Macar, the Gold-Curse/Evil Twin
In the case of the ormer, this gives us the ability to remove one creature for every creature that hits the board. This essentially allows us to temporarily lock our opponents out of the board. In the case of the latter, if we chose an opponent's commander, he'll always be untapped and ready to kill that commander as soon as it hits the board.
Intruder Alarm + Undead Alchemist
As long as you can reliably mill an opponent enough to get even a single zombie, this combo essentially turns into infinite mill.
Undead Alchemist + Thousand-Year Elixir/Altar of Dementia
Both of these cards allow us to immediately use the zombies created by the trigger to create a long (non-infinite) chain of milling. In the case of the former, we can immediately mill with zombies we create, and keep doing so until we don't get any more. With the latter, we can choose to sacrifice our zombies rather than hold on to them, doing this again and again until we don't get any more zombies.
Siren of the Silent Song + Intruder Alarm/Thousand-Year Elixir
Like with any creature, these two cards let us turn the siren sideways more often than usual. What makes this synergy so great is that it allows us to force our opponents into topdeck mode early in the game, and then keep them there.
Black Sun's Zenith/Life's Finale + Eater of the Dead/Nighthowler/Crypt Incursion
Not only do board wipes take away our opponent's creatures, but they give us lots of stuff to work with. This is especially true with Life's Finale where we can pick add three creatures in a library to the dead. Afterwards, we just drop one of the cards in the second category and go to town.
King Macar, the Gold-Cursed + Glen Elendra Archmage
These two together can essentially give you control of the board by turn 6 (or earlier with mana rocks). Almost everything your opponents play will be subject to your approval. It's unlikely your opponents will be able to get a creature to target King Macar until later in the game, if ever, and creatures with Haste will only likely get to attack once.
Maze of Ith + Inspired/Fallowsage/Surgespanner
All of these creatures have an ability that triggers on tap or untap without any actual cost. Maze of Ith lets us swing in with them to get an extra, and safe, trigger from one of them each turn.
Ghastly Conscription + Intruder Alarm
Because each Intruder Alarm triggers can stack with multiple creatures entering the battlefield, we can use Ghastly Conscription to gain a ton of triggers at once, allowing creatures already on the board to mill like crazy.
I hope you enjoyed the primer and the deck. I'd love to hear any questions or feedback about anything.
Well at a quick glance I can see this deck is missing Phanex's best friend Eater of the Dead. I really like Intruder Alarm as well and am working on a wall tribal deck with it.
Thanks for all the replies.
Right now I'm testing: Dimir Doppelganger >> Undead Alchemist It's more consistent graveyard hate, and if left unchecked it'll grow an army fast. Memory Erosion >> Siren of the Silent Song Both slowly put cards into the graveyard, but the discard is extremely valuable, and can be triggered reliably. Call to Mind >> Intruder Alarm Synergizes with Phenax and the overall deck great. After further testing, I'm hoping to find something else to swap out to bring back Call to Mind.
As to the suggested cards: Eater of the Dead This guy seems really interesting with this deck, and I will definitely be looking for something to make room for it. Mnemonic Wall I'd love to hear some further opinions on this one. Without being able to bounce it, it seems like it's more useful in my hand than the battlefield. If it's only going to be used to bring a card back, I might be better off working Call to Mind back in. Jace, the Mind Sculptor Great, but well out of my price range for a single card. Temporal Mastery While not the most in-theme with the deck, it's very powerful, and I'll see what I can do about it.
Thousand-year elixir makes you able to mill/shoot stuff with avatar of woe, as soon as you play them. Very good if you decide to run Eater of the dead considering creature heavy decks wont let it stick for a turn.
Thanks for the suggestions. Below is the list of cards I very much want to fit into the deck. By the end of next weekend I'm hoping to have done enough testing:
Wall of Tears It's cheap, has good toughness for the cmc, and contributes to the pillowfort subtheme Eater of the Dead Great, reliable graveyard hate and mill Knacksaw Clique Ability synergizes fantastically with this deck. Additionlly, it can be used for either card advantage or to remove a couple extra cards from an opponents deck. Oona, Queen of the Fae Between her ability and tapping, she can remove a ton of cards. This is especially great because I'm learning the value of exile in a deck like this. Also, the chump blockers are nice, and she automatically switches phenax to a creature Fallowsage We're basically talking about a free card every turn here. Capsize It can be used to temporarily remove an opponent's permanent, or to protect one of my own Pemmin's Aura I actually really like what this card can do in this deck. It can untap, give shroud, and buff a creature's toughness for dirt cheap Thousand-Year Elixir The ability to not have to wait a turn for my guys is just invaluable
I also like Silent Arbiter, but because he doesn't contribute to Devotion, he's going to be low on my list.
One card I'd love to add in here is Puppeteer Clique. It's an amazingly powerful reanimation "spell" and with Persist, there's an interesting set of combos with it (You could, if you wish, run the combo with Mikaeus the Unhallowed and an Altar of your choice for an extra wincon). Speaking of Altars, Altar of Dementia would seem like a shoe-in to me. Wrath? No problemo, tap all the creatures for some mill, then sacrifice them for more mill, in the process also making Phenax invulnerable to a few specific "wraths" like Black Sun's Zenith.
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras. Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power. Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza. Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall. Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana. Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die. Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Umbral Mantle could be considered. More so if you add in Urbog, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Cabal Coffers combo,
dump bunch of mana into it and you have a creature that mills and untaps to mill for more.
Because with cabal Cabal coffers and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth you can use the black mana to boost toughness and untap with your blue mana. It's all about maths, how many times do I untap it with that much toughness ? etc ...
Thanks again for the feedback everyone, keep it coming.
I've been testing cards a few at a time, in order to get a better feel for them and how they interact with the deck. So far, I've only gotten a good feel for one of the cards I'm testing, leading to the switch: Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker >> Knacksaw Clique The two cards have a lot of similarities, but ultimately I feel that the clique synergizes better with the deck.
Since last time, I've added Alter of Dementia and Surgespanner to my "to test" list. As for the other recommendations: Puppeteer Clique As I'm testing a little more exile, I want to get a better feel of how much room for reanimation the deck has. Umbral Mantle and Morphling Like with reanimation, I want to get a better feel for the deck and whether I'll get a lot of use out of single target untapping first. Cabal Coffers and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth These would both add a ton of utility to my deck, but lands that expensive rate pretty low on my priority list.
I also edited the OP with a more organized deck list and updated the win conditions to reflect a change that was made to the deck, as well as a better understanding of how it plays.
Got lucky with a couple games today that let me see a bunch of the cards I was testing in action. I decided to make the changes:
Mind Funeral >> Altar of Dementia I chose to swap out Mind Funeral because it's single target, single use mill that is a bit inconsistent, but generally low on numbers anyways. When I first went to test the altar, I was dubious about it, because a lot of my creatures have power's of 0. When I played it though, I got a lot of use out of it, even comboing with Undead Alchemist for a massive combo and a win. I'm very pleased with it
Withered Wretch >> Eater of the Dead While it's more expensive to play, and can't exile just anything, Eater of the Dead gets creatures, which are the most important for this deck to be able to exile at instant speed. Additionally, the 0 cost allows more consistent exiling. It naturally mills for more cards, and it also combines exile with a combo capable of milling a huge portion, if not all, of a person's deck.
Muddle the Mixture >> Surgespanner While both cards provide control, Surgespanner does it better in this deck. It gives me reusable bounce that can be activated at instant speed with Phenax. I can use it to bounce any permanent, meaning I can use it to slow my opponents down, destroy tokens, or protect one of my creatures, even itself.
Just because I love the card, Vesuvan Doppelganger could be a useful toolbox card. It can stall out any of your opponents fatties or become copy #2 of your power millers.
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In my own Phenax deck I play Mesmeric Orb. Mid to late game it throws 10-15 cards away per player per turn, which really speeds things up for a small mana investment. Yes, it hits you as well, but if you're doing your job right, everyone else's decks should be smaller than yours.
I also play Junktroller for Phenax synergy and graveyard denial/recycling.
Last, I use Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre to make sure I don't mill myself (and, of course, all the other sick things one can do with eldrazi).
Thanks again for the replies/feedback. In regards to your suggestions:
Vesuvan Doppelganger It's definitely interesting. If I ever find a use for it, I'm willing to give it a try.
Mesmeric Orb It's definitely an amazing mill card, and I should indeed be milling more than it does. My worry though, has always been that this deck is specifically designed to tap down all my creatures once per time around the table. Cards like Eater of the Dead and Intruder Alarm could be extremely dangerous. I never considered an Eldrazi though, so if I can get my hands on one, I'll give them both a whirl.
Junktroller It could definitely be of use. Right now, I feel like I'm good on gy hate, but it's something to keep in mind.
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Before you put this and the orb together, I had never considered an eldrazi for this deck. Definitely need to try and get my hands on one.
Withered Wretch >> Eater of the Dead While it's more expensive to play, and can't exile just anything, Eater of the Dead gets creatures, which are the most important for this deck to be able to exile at instant speed. Additionally, the 0 cost allows more consistent exiling. It naturally mills for more cards, and it also combines exile with a combo capable of milling a huge portion, if not all, of a person's deck.
Would someone explain how this is able to exile at instant speed. The oracle text says "0mana:: If Eater of the Dead is tapped, exile target creature card from a graveyard and untap Eater of the Dead."
So is the only way you guess are able to do this is with Phenax out?
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Withered Wretch >> Eater of the Dead While it's more expensive to play, and can't exile just anything, Eater of the Dead gets creatures, which are the most important for this deck to be able to exile at instant speed. Additionally, the 0 cost allows more consistent exiling. It naturally mills for more cards, and it also combines exile with a combo capable of milling a huge portion, if not all, of a person's deck.
Would someone explain how this is able to exile at instant speed. The oracle text says "0mana:: If Eater of the Dead is tapped, exile target creature card from a graveyard and untap Eater of the Dead."
So is the only way you guess are able to do this is with Phenax out?
You can always attack, or perhaps something else tapped it. But yes, in general you want Phenax out, so you can power mill a bit.
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Withered Wretch >> Eater of the Dead While it's more expensive to play, and can't exile just anything, Eater of the Dead gets creatures, which are the most important for this deck to be able to exile at instant speed. Additionally, the 0 cost allows more consistent exiling. It naturally mills for more cards, and it also combines exile with a combo capable of milling a huge portion, if not all, of a person's deck.
Would someone explain how this is able to exile at instant speed. The oracle text says "0mana:: If Eater of the Dead is tapped, exile target creature card from a graveyard and untap Eater of the Dead."
So is the only way you guess are able to do this is with Phenax out?
You can always attack, or perhaps something else tapped it. But yes, in general you want Phenax out, so you can power mill a bit.
Basically this. The goal is to keep him tapped or allow for him to be tapped at instant speed and then exile in response. It balances out though. Without Phenax, there's less cards entering the graveyard, and thus less need to trigger the ability.
I'd just like to ask:
For the sake of argument, let's assume your opponent has a stone wall defense you can't penetrate.
What's your game plan if that same opponent happens to sport a legendary eldrazi or other reshuffle effect in their deck?
Or how about when if (s)he likes and/or wants to be milled?
Mill is a perfectly legitimate and viable strategy. That said, if you're going to make it your main win-con, you should think about how you're prepared to deal with these situations.
Leyline of the Void and Planar Void answer both problems rather neatly, though at the expense of nerfing several of your other cards.
And if you're looking for more pillowfort elements, here's a few: Collective Restraint - Pretty much Propaganda #2 Koskun Falls - Propaganda now comes in black. Flooded Woodlands - I doubt this will be overly useful, but I thought it was kinda funny. However, if you want to get creative, Mind Bend can change the color word.
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I'd just like to ask:
For the sake of argument, let's assume your opponent has a stone wall defense you can't penetrate.
What's your game plan if an opponent happens to sport a legendary eldrazi or other reshuffle effect in their deck?
Or how about when an opponent likes and/or wants to be milled?
Mill is a perfectly legitimate and viable strategy. That said, if you're going to make it your main win-con, you should think about how you're prepared to deal with these situations.
Leyline of the Void and Planar Void answer both problems rather neatly, though at the expense of nerfing several of your other cards.
And if you're looking for more pillowfort elements, here's a few: Collective Restraint - Pretty much Propaganda #2 Koskun Falls - Propaganda now comes in black. Flooded Woodland - I doubt this will be overly useful, but I thought it was kinda funny. However, if you want to get creative, Mind Bend can change the color word.
Those are very fair questions. To the first, my fourth wincon can still bleed people out even with a reshuffle method. I'll admit though, that it's unlikely. In addition, I've got four cards (testing a fifth) to remove an eldrazi from their library (of varying degrees of effectiveness). There are another 3 ways to exile an eldrazi the first time it hits the graveyard (at instant speed), preventing it from making another go-around. Additionally, this deck has a range of control and removal, some that target, some that hit en masse and some that are useable/trigger every turn/trip around the table. There should always be something (unless they're completely shutting me down) to make a hole.
As for your second question, we have everything mentioned above. In addition, there's the gy hate we have in Bojuka Bog. Then we have the fact that they likely won't have reshuffle affects, which gives us access to all five wincons (Four if we're assuming the same stonewall defense). We've got ways to take creatures in their graveyard before they do. We can still build a huge army, though we might have to mill them out rather than kill them with damage. And then there's the fact that our gy hate is going to be even more devastating to someone who plans to work out of their graveyard.
Testing might prove I need more, in which case your suggestions could prove invaluable. Right now, though, I'm not terribly worried. I'd honestly like to know, do you think that even with what I just listed, the deck is lacking?
As for the pillowfort suggestions you made, I'm not currently sure if I want to add more or not. That being said, I've been looking for ideas just in case, and those give me some options.
Thanks for your feedback, and I hope to hear more.
I recently tested this deck against a variety of decks (mostly playing green though, so there where quickly a ton of creatures in the yard.)
(i played vs. Rhys, Mogis, Borborygmos enraged, Jarad, Kemba and varolz).
Note: i play in a pretty casual group where each player wants to play fair cards, and we have a few decks for variation in powerlevels. My usual deck is a chaos/control Zedruu variant, so im not used to playing a combo like deck where i constantly have to have to be careful of not seeming threatning.
I run about as many draw engines as you do, but no inf combos (no mindcranc, bloodchiefs for example).
and to summarize quickly, the games either went me killing the entire table at once with Eater of the dead (eater of the dead ended the game the turn after it was played becouse Jarad was playing with 50 creatures), Morphling with some sort of toughtness boost. Or Consuming aberration (or friends) with an untap enchantment. Rather early if i wanted to. Thousand-year elixir is ridiculous and my absolute favorite card in the deck.
I never had problems with the GY related decks, and i run about the same amount of hate as you do. They either helped me mill them with dredge and usually packed a ton of creatures making nighthowler pretty good to bestow.
My group quickly realised that they should focus my board, and usually wrathed or used removal on even minor creatures. like hover barrier and the like.
i never killed with the bleed effect of either duskmantle guildmage or Guiltfeeder as the damage potential is so obvious it almost always draws removal.
My only problem with the deck is that you don't really do much if you have a reduced board presence, so each game becomes abit of a hit or miss.
It is really powerfull, or does not impact the game much
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EDH decks:
RWUNarset, jeskai burn RUB Marchesa the black rose R Daretti, reanimator goodstuff BU Vela, ninja assasin UG Ezuri, woodland critters.
Rise of the Dark Realms is really powerful, but right now it's going in my "if I later decide I can focus more on resurrection" list.
As far as the other four, there's a combination of two reasons. The first is that this deck is built on the assumption that my opponents have nothing useful to me. That way, it will always function. Sepulchural Primordial is more useful to me, because even if it pulls near useless creatures, I'm still getting chump blockers and weak millers.
The second is that this is a defensive deck. This deck doesn't have much support for guys who want to swing every turn, and I'd rather avoid the extra attention/hate they'll bring. The only aggressive creatures in this deck are ones that will very quickly kill an opponent.
Still, thank you very much for your recommendations
I recently tested this deck against a variety of decks...
I run about as many draw engines as you do, but no inf combos (no mindcranc, bloodchiefs for example).
and to summarize quickly, the games either went me killing the entire table at once with Eater of the dead (eater of the dead ended the game the turn after it was played becouse Jarad was playing with 50 creatures), Morphling with some sort of toughtness boost. Or Consuming aberration (or friends) with an untap enchantment. Rather early if i wanted to. Thousand-year elixir is ridiculous and my absolute favorite card in the deck.
I never had problems with the GY related decks, and i run about the same amount of hate as you do. They either helped me mill them with dredge and usually packed a ton of creatures making nighthowler pretty good to bestow.
My group quickly realised that they should focus my board, and usually wrathed or used removal on even minor creatures. like hover barrier and the like.
i never killed with the bleed effect of either duskmantle guildmage or Guiltfeeder as the damage potential is so obvious it almost always draws removal.
My only problem with the deck is that you don't really do much if you have a reduced board presence, so each game becomes abit of a hit or miss.
It is really powerfull, or does not impact the game much
Really glad to hear how someone else is doing with the deck. I'm also excited to hear another recommendation for Morphling and Thousand-Year Elixir. The elixir is in my current test build, but I've only gotten to use it once, where I already had a wincon going. So far my favorite cards are Undead Alchemist and Surgespanner. The former has proven to be an amazingly fast and versatile win condition. The latter is surprisingly powerful control within this deck, and it more than pulls its weight.
So far I've only gotten to use one really powerful bleed effect with Bloodchief Ascension. It was amazing though. I used traumatize to wipe one guy out and then I would've won the game with it and No Mercy working together, but I realized too late in the game that the Karador player I was up against was, seemingly unknowingly, cheating guys back in to shut me down.
I've been testing on Cockatrice, so the deck hasn't really gotten "known" there, but even still, I've definitely seen a surprisingly high amount of hate for non-agressive defenders.
As far as the deck being hit or miss, I agree. The biggest thing I've learned is that you really need to mulligan well. If I need land or a defender, and card isn't a solid wincon or something that will save me in a rough situation, it's getting passed.
If you want more activations out of your guys per turn, Rings of Brighthearth, Thousand-Year Elixir, and Illusionist's Bracers will double them. Beware of putting the bracers on Phenax though, he doesn't wear pants well. If you end up running Mesmeric Orb (I'd also recommend it), there are other ways to avoid decking yourself than shelling out $40 on an Eldrazi. In my meta game, Elixir of Immortality is a staple against mill decks, but Psychic Spiral is my personal favorite.
I'm starting to really get a feel for this deck, and I'm really enjoying it. It's proving a lot more versatile than expected, plus a lot of the little things it can do are becoming more second nature. So far I'd say the best and the worst part is how often it gets backed into a corner. That kind of situation isn't particularly fun, but the deck is amazing at getting out them, which is a blast.
Still haven't gotten to fully test a couple cards, but I was able to make two changes:
Archive Trap >> Muddle the Mixture I realized I was really missing out by taking Muddle from the deck. Aside from being a half-decent control spell, the ability to transmute for a 2 mana card is invaluable in this deck. It can pull a wincon or some of the most powerful control or removal in the deck. I chose Archive Trap because, even with the ability to play it for free, it still wasn't strong enough to justify a single target, single use mill spell.
Mindcrank >> Thousand-Year Elixir I finally got to test the Elixir, and it did SO much for this deck. It really is phenomenal. I got rid of Mindcrank, because aside from an infinite combo with two cards, it's pretty useless in this deck. Luckily the Elixir can still pull off some massive combos.
I'm also strongly considering Bribery, but given it's price, I want to give it another go or two so i'm sure about it.
I appreciate the post, but sadly nothing I can really use. There's some stuff that simply doesn't fit my particular deck, and others that are good mill cards but don't really synergize well with Phenax, at least in multiplayer.
If you want more activations out of your guys per turn, Rings of Brighthearth, Thousand-Year Elixir, and Illusionist's Bracers will double them. Beware of putting the bracers on Phenax though, he doesn't wear pants well. If you end up running Mesmeric Orb (I'd also recommend it), there are other ways to avoid decking yourself than shelling out $40 on an Eldrazi. In my meta game, Elixir of Immortality is a staple against mill decks, but Psychic Spiral is my personal favorite.
Rings of Brighthearth definitely has potential, if I can find somewhere to cram it. I'm less inclined to use the Illusionist's Bracers, only because it's an equipment. The Rings and Elixir are ultimately more versatile.
Glad to see more support for Mesmeric Orb, it'll make the decision easier. I totally agree that the price on the big Eldrazi are a bit much. Unfortunately though, I'm statistically more likely to mill Elixir of Immortality and Psychic Spiral, even if I run both of them, than I am to draw them. Plus, without the Orb, the Eldrazi is going to be far more useful.
Thanks for your feedback, as always I'm hoping to get more as I go.
Alter by: MRB Alters
UW Ephara Hatebears [Primer], GB Gitrog Lands, BRU Inalla Combo-Control, URG Maelstrom Wanderer Landfall
Right now I'm testing:
Dimir Doppelganger >> Undead Alchemist It's more consistent graveyard hate, and if left unchecked it'll grow an army fast.
Memory Erosion >> Siren of the Silent Song Both slowly put cards into the graveyard, but the discard is extremely valuable, and can be triggered reliably.
Call to Mind >> Intruder Alarm Synergizes with Phenax and the overall deck great. After further testing, I'm hoping to find something else to swap out to bring back Call to Mind.
As to the suggested cards:
Eater of the Dead This guy seems really interesting with this deck, and I will definitely be looking for something to make room for it.
Mnemonic Wall I'd love to hear some further opinions on this one. Without being able to bounce it, it seems like it's more useful in my hand than the battlefield. If it's only going to be used to bring a card back, I might be better off working Call to Mind back in.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor Great, but well out of my price range for a single card.
Temporal Mastery While not the most in-theme with the deck, it's very powerful, and I'll see what I can do about it.
Thanks again and I'd love to hear more
I'm currently also building a Phenax deck myself, but focused more around tapping.
while it's abit win-more:
Pemmin's aura and Freed from the real can mill for a ton with sewer nemesis/consuming abberation.
Thousand-year elixir makes you able to mill/shoot stuff with avatar of woe, as soon as you play them. Very good if you decide to run Eater of the dead considering creature heavy decks wont let it stick for a turn.
fallowsage, pain seer, are fragile, but can be very efficient card draw. Arbiter of the ideal is a fun alternative if you're playing casual.
Silent arbiter if you're having trouble with creatures attacking you. (if phenax is active, you can indestructible chump all day long
RWU Narset, jeskai burn
RUB Marchesa the black rose
R Daretti, reanimator goodstuff
BU Vela, ninja assasin
UG Ezuri, woodland critters.
Wall of Tears It's cheap, has good toughness for the cmc, and contributes to the pillowfort subtheme
Eater of the Dead Great, reliable graveyard hate and mill
Knacksaw Clique Ability synergizes fantastically with this deck. Additionlly, it can be used for either card advantage or to remove a couple extra cards from an opponents deck.
Oona, Queen of the Fae Between her ability and tapping, she can remove a ton of cards. This is especially great because I'm learning the value of exile in a deck like this. Also, the chump blockers are nice, and she automatically switches phenax to a creature
Fallowsage We're basically talking about a free card every turn here.
Capsize It can be used to temporarily remove an opponent's permanent, or to protect one of my own
Pemmin's Aura I actually really like what this card can do in this deck. It can untap, give shroud, and buff a creature's toughness for dirt cheap
Thousand-Year Elixir The ability to not have to wait a turn for my guys is just invaluable
I also like Silent Arbiter, but because he doesn't contribute to Devotion, he's going to be low on my list.
dump bunch of mana into it and you have a creature that mills and untaps to mill for more.
Because with cabal Cabal coffers and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth you can use the black mana to boost toughness and untap with your blue mana. It's all about maths, how many times do I untap it with that much toughness ? etc ...
I've been testing cards a few at a time, in order to get a better feel for them and how they interact with the deck. So far, I've only gotten a good feel for one of the cards I'm testing, leading to the switch: Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker >> Knacksaw Clique The two cards have a lot of similarities, but ultimately I feel that the clique synergizes better with the deck.
Since last time, I've added Alter of Dementia and Surgespanner to my "to test" list. As for the other recommendations:
Puppeteer Clique As I'm testing a little more exile, I want to get a better feel of how much room for reanimation the deck has.
Umbral Mantle and Morphling Like with reanimation, I want to get a better feel for the deck and whether I'll get a lot of use out of single target untapping first.
Cabal Coffers and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth These would both add a ton of utility to my deck, but lands that expensive rate pretty low on my priority list.
I also edited the OP with a more organized deck list and updated the win conditions to reflect a change that was made to the deck, as well as a better understanding of how it plays.
Mind Funeral >> Altar of Dementia I chose to swap out Mind Funeral because it's single target, single use mill that is a bit inconsistent, but generally low on numbers anyways. When I first went to test the altar, I was dubious about it, because a lot of my creatures have power's of 0. When I played it though, I got a lot of use out of it, even comboing with Undead Alchemist for a massive combo and a win. I'm very pleased with it
Withered Wretch >> Eater of the Dead While it's more expensive to play, and can't exile just anything, Eater of the Dead gets creatures, which are the most important for this deck to be able to exile at instant speed. Additionally, the 0 cost allows more consistent exiling. It naturally mills for more cards, and it also combines exile with a combo capable of milling a huge portion, if not all, of a person's deck.
Muddle the Mixture >> Surgespanner While both cards provide control, Surgespanner does it better in this deck. It gives me reusable bounce that can be activated at instant speed with Phenax. I can use it to bounce any permanent, meaning I can use it to slow my opponents down, destroy tokens, or protect one of my creatures, even itself.
I also play Junktroller for Phenax synergy and graveyard denial/recycling.
Last, I use Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre to make sure I don't mill myself (and, of course, all the other sick things one can do with eldrazi).
RWUNumot, the DevastatorUWR - UBDralnu, Lich LordBU - WBURGReaper KingGRUBW - RBMalfegorBR
Vesuvan Doppelganger It's definitely interesting. If I ever find a use for it, I'm willing to give it a try.
Mesmeric Orb It's definitely an amazing mill card, and I should indeed be milling more than it does. My worry though, has always been that this deck is specifically designed to tap down all my creatures once per time around the table. Cards like Eater of the Dead and Intruder Alarm could be extremely dangerous. I never considered an Eldrazi though, so if I can get my hands on one, I'll give them both a whirl.
Junktroller It could definitely be of use. Right now, I feel like I'm good on gy hate, but it's something to keep in mind.
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Before you put this and the orb together, I had never considered an eldrazi for this deck. Definitely need to try and get my hands on one.
Would someone explain how this is able to exile at instant speed. The oracle text says "0mana:: If Eater of the Dead is tapped, exile target creature card from a graveyard and untap Eater of the Dead."
So is the only way you guess are able to do this is with Phenax out?
You can always attack, or perhaps something else tapped it. But yes, in general you want Phenax out, so you can power mill a bit.
Basically this. The goal is to keep him tapped or allow for him to be tapped at instant speed and then exile in response. It balances out though. Without Phenax, there's less cards entering the graveyard, and thus less need to trigger the ability.
For the sake of argument, let's assume your opponent has a stone wall defense you can't penetrate.
What's your game plan if that same opponent happens to sport a legendary eldrazi or other reshuffle effect in their deck?
Or how about when if (s)he likes and/or wants to be milled?
Mill is a perfectly legitimate and viable strategy. That said, if you're going to make it your main win-con, you should think about how you're prepared to deal with these situations.
Leyline of the Void and Planar Void answer both problems rather neatly, though at the expense of nerfing several of your other cards.
And if you're looking for more pillowfort elements, here's a few:
Collective Restraint - Pretty much Propaganda #2
Koskun Falls - Propaganda now comes in black.
Flooded Woodlands - I doubt this will be overly useful, but I thought it was kinda funny. However, if you want to get creative, Mind Bend can change the color word.
Karona, Warden of AlcatrazWUBRG
The EPIC EDHWUBRG
Sun Quan Aggro1U
Animar GoodstuffRUG
Horobi MBCB
Medomai NerfWU
Saffi EriksdotterGW
Zur (CF)WUB
-Elliot Carver, Tomorrow Never Dies
"If violence isn't solving it, you're obviously not using enough!"
-Me
A kid at my local gameshop wanted to break a twenty.
"You got 2 tens?" he asked me.
"No, but I probably got 3 fives." I replied.
"Perfect!"
"You might want to check your math there."
Those are very fair questions. To the first, my fourth wincon can still bleed people out even with a reshuffle method. I'll admit though, that it's unlikely. In addition, I've got four cards (testing a fifth) to remove an eldrazi from their library (of varying degrees of effectiveness). There are another 3 ways to exile an eldrazi the first time it hits the graveyard (at instant speed), preventing it from making another go-around. Additionally, this deck has a range of control and removal, some that target, some that hit en masse and some that are useable/trigger every turn/trip around the table. There should always be something (unless they're completely shutting me down) to make a hole.
As for your second question, we have everything mentioned above. In addition, there's the gy hate we have in Bojuka Bog. Then we have the fact that they likely won't have reshuffle affects, which gives us access to all five wincons (Four if we're assuming the same stonewall defense). We've got ways to take creatures in their graveyard before they do. We can still build a huge army, though we might have to mill them out rather than kill them with damage. And then there's the fact that our gy hate is going to be even more devastating to someone who plans to work out of their graveyard.
Testing might prove I need more, in which case your suggestions could prove invaluable. Right now, though, I'm not terribly worried. I'd honestly like to know, do you think that even with what I just listed, the deck is lacking?
As for the pillowfort suggestions you made, I'm not currently sure if I want to add more or not. That being said, I've been looking for ideas just in case, and those give me some options.
Thanks for your feedback, and I hope to hear more.
(i played vs. Rhys, Mogis, Borborygmos enraged, Jarad, Kemba and varolz).
Note: i play in a pretty casual group where each player wants to play fair cards, and we have a few decks for variation in powerlevels. My usual deck is a chaos/control Zedruu variant, so im not used to playing a combo like deck where i constantly have to have to be careful of not seeming threatning.
I run about as many draw engines as you do, but no inf combos (no mindcranc, bloodchiefs for example).
and to summarize quickly, the games either went me killing the entire table at once with Eater of the dead (eater of the dead ended the game the turn after it was played becouse Jarad was playing with 50 creatures), Morphling with some sort of toughtness boost. Or Consuming aberration (or friends) with an untap enchantment. Rather early if i wanted to.
Thousand-year elixir is ridiculous and my absolute favorite card in the deck.
I never had problems with the GY related decks, and i run about the same amount of hate as you do. They either helped me mill them with dredge and usually packed a ton of creatures making nighthowler pretty good to bestow.
My group quickly realised that they should focus my board, and usually wrathed or used removal on even minor creatures. like hover barrier and the like.
i never killed with the bleed effect of either duskmantle guildmage or Guiltfeeder as the damage potential is so obvious it almost always draws removal.
My only problem with the deck is that you don't really do much if you have a reduced board presence, so each game becomes abit of a hit or miss.
It is really powerfull, or does not impact the game much
RWU Narset, jeskai burn
RUB Marchesa the black rose
R Daretti, reanimator goodstuff
BU Vela, ninja assasin
UG Ezuri, woodland critters.
Why not some ways to play spells from opponent's graveyards/hands?
Rise of the Dark Realms is really powerful, but right now it's going in my "if I later decide I can focus more on resurrection" list.
As far as the other four, there's a combination of two reasons. The first is that this deck is built on the assumption that my opponents have nothing useful to me. That way, it will always function. Sepulchural Primordial is more useful to me, because even if it pulls near useless creatures, I'm still getting chump blockers and weak millers.
The second is that this is a defensive deck. This deck doesn't have much support for guys who want to swing every turn, and I'd rather avoid the extra attention/hate they'll bring. The only aggressive creatures in this deck are ones that will very quickly kill an opponent.
Still, thank you very much for your recommendations
Really glad to hear how someone else is doing with the deck. I'm also excited to hear another recommendation for Morphling and Thousand-Year Elixir. The elixir is in my current test build, but I've only gotten to use it once, where I already had a wincon going. So far my favorite cards are Undead Alchemist and Surgespanner. The former has proven to be an amazingly fast and versatile win condition. The latter is surprisingly powerful control within this deck, and it more than pulls its weight.
So far I've only gotten to use one really powerful bleed effect with Bloodchief Ascension. It was amazing though. I used traumatize to wipe one guy out and then I would've won the game with it and No Mercy working together, but I realized too late in the game that the Karador player I was up against was, seemingly unknowingly, cheating guys back in to shut me down.
I've been testing on Cockatrice, so the deck hasn't really gotten "known" there, but even still, I've definitely seen a surprisingly high amount of hate for non-agressive defenders.
As far as the deck being hit or miss, I agree. The biggest thing I've learned is that you really need to mulligan well. If I need land or a defender, and card isn't a solid wincon or something that will save me in a rough situation, it's getting passed.
Still haven't gotten to fully test a couple cards, but I was able to make two changes:
Archive Trap >> Muddle the Mixture I realized I was really missing out by taking Muddle from the deck. Aside from being a half-decent control spell, the ability to transmute for a 2 mana card is invaluable in this deck. It can pull a wincon or some of the most powerful control or removal in the deck. I chose Archive Trap because, even with the ability to play it for free, it still wasn't strong enough to justify a single target, single use mill spell.
Mindcrank >> Thousand-Year Elixir I finally got to test the Elixir, and it did SO much for this deck. It really is phenomenal. I got rid of Mindcrank, because aside from an infinite combo with two cards, it's pretty useless in this deck. Luckily the Elixir can still pull off some massive combos.
I'm also strongly considering Bribery, but given it's price, I want to give it another go or two so i'm sure about it.
As for the recent feedback:
I appreciate the post, but sadly nothing I can really use. There's some stuff that simply doesn't fit my particular deck, and others that are good mill cards but don't really synergize well with Phenax, at least in multiplayer.
Rings of Brighthearth definitely has potential, if I can find somewhere to cram it. I'm less inclined to use the Illusionist's Bracers, only because it's an equipment. The Rings and Elixir are ultimately more versatile.
Glad to see more support for Mesmeric Orb, it'll make the decision easier. I totally agree that the price on the big Eldrazi are a bit much. Unfortunately though, I'm statistically more likely to mill Elixir of Immortality and Psychic Spiral, even if I run both of them, than I am to draw them. Plus, without the Orb, the Eldrazi is going to be far more useful.
Thanks for your feedback, as always I'm hoping to get more as I go.