Quote from aspsnake »I like your style. You say you cut all the combos, but still play Mike/Trisk
Quote from akroma44 »An awesome card that might work really well in this deck is Cauldron of Souls. Works very well with +1/+1 counters. So does Greater Good, but mana-less sac outlets is how things start breaking in Ghave...
Quote from akroma44 »Ajani, Mentor of Heroes is also pretty cool here.
Maybe a proliferate subtheme? Contagion Engine, Plaguemaw Beast (free sac outlet, but not repeatable), or Spread the Sickness (bad card makes your deck worse?).
Momentous Fall, Life's Legacy or Garruk, Primal Hunter to draw cards off of your mass +1/+1 counter dude seems awesome, especially if you can't run Greater Good.
Quote from Forgotten One »Quote from akroma44 »An awesome card that might work really well in this deck is Cauldron of Souls. Works very well with +1/+1 counters. So does Greater Good, but mana-less sac outlets is how things start breaking in Ghave...
Cauldron of Souls is a great idea. The only two cards it doesn't work with are the two X-spell hydras, but it works so well with most of all my other creatures that this doesn't matter. When I assembled the original deck I went away from sac outlets plus undying/persist creatures very quickly, so Cauldron of Souls was never really an option for this deck. I'll have to figure out what to cut (perhaps Fecundity or Sigil Captain), but I like the idea of adding this card to the deck.
Quote from Welgo »How do you feel about walkers? I know they're janky in EDh, but I feel like with token production you could defend them easily and you play doubling season. Plenty of them produce creature tokens as well. Elspeth, Sun's Champion seems like it'd be great since Ghave can dodge her board wipe and then climb back up after.
Quote from batdown »Forgive me if this is an unwelcome suggestion, but are you dead-set on this general?
The reason why I ask is because Ghave is going to come with a lot of baggage and expectations. Im not sure if you play with a regular playgroup or in a more random setting like a game store, but Ghave as a broken combo general is on everyone's radar, and it might be hard to avoid getting hated off if people dont know/believe that you are playing a noncombo version.
like you said, it's hard to NOT go infinite with ghave, even if you build him with the intention of staying away from that.
What about the possibility of switching the general to Ulasht, the Hate Seed? Red gives you a lot of really fun, albeit less competitive, options, and you can build a crazy deck without infinites that is really fun to play.
Quote from Ultrapathy »Very cool deck list. I plan on building something similar list in the near future.
Since you are running a token theme and Ob Nixilis, Unshackled, have you considered including Fertilid, as part of your mana fixing package. I think Fertilid is a strong card on its own, but the ability to turn Fertilid into a Pay 2, target opponent loses 10 life and sacs a creature, with Ob, Nixilis on the field would be too fun.
Also, Abzan Ascendancy seems like a strong card in this theme.
Quote from Last Laugh »Ok so I admittedly didn't read everything so I'm sorry if someone suggested these previously. Sterling Grove, Aura Shards, Sadistic Hypnotist, and Heroic Intervention.
I see you aren't running any tutors but Grove is very limited in what it can find and shroud for your other enchantment is amazing. Aura Shards I'm amazed isn't in here honestly. Sadistic Hypnotist is a free sac outlet but the key is that it doesn't provide mana and that discard seals games. Intervention is just amazing at what it does.