So I recently made this deck (about a month ago) and I really enjoy it. It definitely needs some fine tuning but I didn't think I would enjoy Boros this much.
I've been wanting to use Sunforger in a deck since I first got into EDH and I just never did. I originally wanted to use it in a three color deck because I didn't want to be boros and it seemed to give more more options. Well three and a half years later a boros general is released that I actually like and I decide to jump the gun since three color decks keep tearing into my collection and two color mana bases are easy.
Ehh, some people in my group get mad at that type of play even though we're competitive. Then they go and do Deadeye Navigator + Green Primordial. Oh well.
I'm running Eslepth 2.0 Because she puts out three dudes. But I agree that Elspeth 1.0 Is better. I'd have to get another if I do run her considering both my copies are in decks.
Any comments on what I'd like to add and take out? Seem good?
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Ehh, some people in my group get mad at that type of play even though we're competitive. Then they go and do Deadeye Navigator + Green Primordial. Oh well.
I'm running Eslepth 2.0 Because she puts out three dudes. But I agree that Elspeth 1.0 Is better. I'd have to get another if I do run her considering both my copies are in decks.
Any comments on what I'd like to add and take out? Seem good?
Honestly I've never been impressed with Rummaging Goblin or Mad Prophet in EDH. They could definitely be better cards.
And wait, they do Deadeye things but whine at mass destruction? Bloody hypocrites. Tajic is pretty much THE "blow up the world" dude. It's one of the few reasons to run him over the other r/w generals (they're all pretty similar).
Honestly I've never been impressed with Rummaging Goblin or Mad Prophet in EDH. They could definitely be better cards.
And wait, they do Deadeye things but whine at mass destruction? Bloody hypocrites. Tajic is pretty much THE "blow up the world" dude. It's one of the few reasons to run him over the other r/w generals (they're all pretty similar).
They're tutor-able 'card draw'; something this deck needs as much of as possible.
I run Tajic because he's cheaper, more resilient and just as aggressive. The only one I would run over him is Aurelia.
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They're tutor-able 'card draw'; something this deck needs as much of as possible.
I run Tajic because he's cheaper, more resilient and just as aggressive. The only one I would run over him is Aurelia.
I agree, in my playgroup they may whine, but I'll just put my footdown and have them explain green primordial recursion as better than taking a win by blowing up everything. It's okay for them to hose everybody else while accelerating to absurd mana, but the moment you close your strategy with everything dies they get upset?
Build up is nice, but there is a reason they print such obvious counters to build up. Build up players need to grow a pair and realize that winning a game isn't the end all be all of their god damn existence.
Both Elspeths belong here. Number two's ultimate works great in a well-built Tajic deck. And she can use it the turn after she comes down. Ridiculous.
I think with Tajic you have to ask yourself. Considering he's a low CMC indestructible general who can potentially swing in for a lot. Considering you're in the two best colors for blowing everything in one category, or another, or all categories up. Considering how well those colors also provide indestructibility. How all in on the blow everyone else's stuff up but mine plan do you want to go? Because if you're holding back on going all the way, you're obviously making concessions to what other people want or consider fun. But if they're allowing blue, green and black to do all the bad stuff those colors can do, maybe you should too.
Two cards I'd suggest from my experience are Smokestack and Vicious Shadows. Smokestack works just fine as a value engine (or anti-value for your opponents) in a deck that makes tokens. It doesn't have to be a 'stax' deck. Put one on the side of your playmat during some games and ask yourself how often it'd be helping you out. Vicious Shadows is just one of my favorite cards because of how it influences the decisions of others and how safe they feel.
I'm going to suggest one more card, since you have Sunforger, consider Ghostway. Indestructible doesn't do much against Hallowed Burial. Yeah Ghostway kills your tokens, but it can be like a second Boros Charm and I like it better than Faith's Reward in a deck like this.
EDIT: The looter dudes should come out for Wheel of Fortune and Reforge the Soul. The second is plenty budget enough. They not only refill your hand, but are answers to players who are sandbagging cards they tutored for.
Both Elspeths belong here. Number two's ultimate works great in a well-built Tajic deck. And she can use it the turn after she comes down. Ridiculous.
I think with Tajic you have to ask yourself. Considering he's a low CMC indestructible general who can potentially swing in for a lot. Considering you're in the two best colors for blowing everything in one category, or another, or all categories up. Considering how well those colors also provide indestructibility. How all in on the blow everyone else's stuff up but mine plan do you want to go? Because if you're holding back on going all the way, you're obviously making concessions to what other people want or consider fun. But if they're allowing blue, green and black to do all the bad stuff those colors can do, maybe you should too.
Two cards I'd suggest from my experience are Smokestack and Vicious Shadows. Smokestack works just fine as a value engine (or anti-value for your opponents) in a deck that makes tokens. It doesn't have to be a 'stax' deck. Put one on the side of your playmat during some games and ask yourself how often it'd be helping you out. Vicious Shadows is just one of my favorite cards because of how it influences the decisions of others and how safe they feel.
I'm going to suggest one more card, since you have Sunforger, consider Ghostway. Indestructible doesn't do much against Hallowed Burial. Yeah Ghostway kills your tokens, but it can be like a second Boros Charm and I like it better than Faith's Reward in a deck like this.
EDIT: The looter dudes should come out for Wheel of Fortune and Reforge the Soul. The second is plenty budget enough. They not only refill your hand, but are answers to players who are sandbagging cards they tutored for.
Well I already have a stax deck and I'm trying to make this one habit different. I like variety (pretty much all my decks are different).
Hmm I may consider ghostaway.
The main reason I run the looters is because
A) They are tutor-able.
B) They are creatures for Battalion.
Is that enough reason to run them over the wheels?
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Legion's Initiative seems good here as well. I also like Fervor over hell-raiser, Attacking every turn isn't the best.
I played with Legion's initiative. It was kind of meh.
Fervor can only be tutored by Enlightened Tutor (and it wouldn't be my first target) while Hellraiser can be tutored by Goblin Matron and Imperial Recruiter. There is only one creature I never want to attack with (goblin welder). I play smaller games so I don't need to leave blockers open.
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Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion is pretty sweet. Its a great late game way to make swords even deadlier. I think that mass land destruction is pretty sweet in Tajic. I mean, especially if your playgroup is super all in on the the Primordial. You could run Ruination with all those basics.
Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion is pretty sweet. Its a great late game way to make swords even deadlier. I think that mass land destruction is pretty sweet in Tajic. I mean, especially if your playgroup is super all in on the the Primordial. You could run Ruination with all those basics.
I added Sunhome last night in the place of Mishra's Factory.
My main reason for not using MLD is that Zur Stax deck already runs quite a bit of it. I'm mostly going for variety in my lists. Though it might have to come in at one point. It is what puts RW on an even level with other colors.
Eldrazi Monument is better, and doesn't only work on the swing. And his other ability is lackluster.
It works with battalion instead of against it and can be played without token generation or a number of cheap creatures on the board. They both give indestructibility, but they're relevant in different situations. It's worth consideration, even if you decide against it in the end.
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It works with battalion instead of against it and can be played without token generation or a number of cheap creatures on the board. They both give indestructibility, but they're relevant in different situations. It's worth consideration, even if you decide against it in the end.
I can't think of a situation I would ever really want it. Indestructible is almost always relevant on your opponents turn (wraths). They can always wait for when you aren't swinging to just kill him.
Creatures are more easily removed than artifacts, especially since we run a lot of spot removal.
He just seems....bad. Maybe I'm underrating him but I'm not very interested in him.
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I tried out Frontline Medic in my Tajic deck and I've decided to keep him. He has good synergy with wraths by making your creatures indestructible if you go that route. His 3/3 body for 3 that activates Tajic makes him almost never a dead drop.
I tried out Frontline Medic in my Tajic deck and I've decided to keep him. He has good synergy with wraths by making your creatures indestructible if you go that route. His 3/3 body for 3 that activates Tajic makes him almost never a dead drop.
This is mostly a meta difference I suppose. My playgroup is riddled with efficient answers, be it spot removal, counters or wraths. And answers for all types of permanents. Tajic being indestructible isn't as relevant as I had first hoped (but I still like him as the general) as he eats condemns, oblations, chaos warps, Swords, Paths, Ashes to Ashes, and tons of other removals. So a card triggering battalion isn't something that's a huge selling point to me. I run for utility first then how useful it is in combat.
I also only run 3 wraths in my deck. So the chances of me swinging then casting a wrath is pretty slim. And I have the sunforgable Boros charm that fills that role much better.
I do however appreciate the suggestions and encourage everyone to keep making them. This one however, just isn't for this deck.
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How has Mad Prophet been working out for you so far?
Very well. Mostly when I have Squee, but he isn't bad without it. While he isn't tutorable like Rummaging Goblin (with Matron), haste is relevant. He can come down and swing when I want him to or he trade a land in my hand to dig a little deeper.
I can think of a few games that I wouldn't have won without him.
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I've been wanting to use Sunforger in a deck since I first got into EDH and I just never did. I originally wanted to use it in a three color deck because I didn't want to be boros and it seemed to give more more options. Well three and a half years later a boros general is released that I actually like and I decide to jump the gun since three color decks keep tearing into my collection and two color mana bases are easy.
So anyways, the decklist.
4 Tajic, Blade of the Legion
Creatures: 26
1 Goblin Welder
2 Puresteel Paladin
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Goblin Matron
3 Imperial Recruiter
3 Mentor of the Meek
3 Rummaging Goblin
3 Silverblade Paladin
3 Squee, Goblin Nabob
4 Anger
4 Hellrider
4 Hero of Bladehold
4 Krenko, Mob Boss
4 Mad Prophet
4 Odric, Master Tactician
4 Solemn Simulacrum
5 Karmic Guide
5 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
5 Reveillark
5 Siege- Gang Commander
5 Stonehewer Giant
5 Zealous Conscripts
6 Aurelia, the Warleader
6 Duplicant
6 Sun Titan
6 Wurmcoil Engine
0 Mana Crypt
1 Skullcamp
1 Sol Ring
2 Boros Signet
2 Swiftboot Boots
2 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Boros Keyrune
3 Chromatic Lantern
3 Coalition Relic
3 Sunforger
3 Sword of Fire and Ice
3 Sword of Vengeance
3 Sword of War and Peace
3 Thousand-Year Elixir
3 Worn Powerstone
4 Thran Dynamo
4 Trading Post
5 Batterskull
5 Eldrazi Monument
Enchantments: 4
3 Goblin Assualt
3 Mobilization
5 Assemble the Legion
5 Cathars' Crusade
Instants: 9
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshare
1 Tithe
2 Boros Charm
3 Chaos Warp
3 Oblation
3 Orim's Thunder
4 Return to Dust
1 Vandalblast
4 Day of Judgement
4 Wrath of God
6 Austere Command
Planeswalkers: 1
5 Elspeth Tirel
Lands: 36
0 Ancient Tomb
0 Boros Guildgate
0 Inkmoth Nexus
0 Mishra's Factory
0 Mistveil Plains
0 Sacred Foundry
0 Slayer's Stronghold
16 Mountains
13 Plains
Cards that I'm considering adding at the moment:
Cards I'm considering removing:
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Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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I've also always found Elspeth 1.0 better than Elspeth 2.0
I'm running Eslepth 2.0 Because she puts out three dudes. But I agree that Elspeth 1.0 Is better. I'd have to get another if I do run her considering both my copies are in decks.
Any comments on what I'd like to add and take out? Seem good?
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Yes. I'll be getting Tajic altered pretty soon to be Kenshin Himura (one of the few anime's I actually like).
I do need draw but I don't know what I'd cut for that. All my other equipment seems stronger.
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Honestly I've never been impressed with Rummaging Goblin or Mad Prophet in EDH. They could definitely be better cards.
And wait, they do Deadeye things but whine at mass destruction? Bloody hypocrites. Tajic is pretty much THE "blow up the world" dude. It's one of the few reasons to run him over the other r/w generals (they're all pretty similar).
They're tutor-able 'card draw'; something this deck needs as much of as possible.
I run Tajic because he's cheaper, more resilient and just as aggressive. The only one I would run over him is Aurelia.
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I agree, in my playgroup they may whine, but I'll just put my footdown and have them explain green primordial recursion as better than taking a win by blowing up everything. It's okay for them to hose everybody else while accelerating to absurd mana, but the moment you close your strategy with everything dies they get upset?
Build up is nice, but there is a reason they print such obvious counters to build up. Build up players need to grow a pair and realize that winning a game isn't the end all be all of their god damn existence.
I think with Tajic you have to ask yourself. Considering he's a low CMC indestructible general who can potentially swing in for a lot. Considering you're in the two best colors for blowing everything in one category, or another, or all categories up. Considering how well those colors also provide indestructibility. How all in on the blow everyone else's stuff up but mine plan do you want to go? Because if you're holding back on going all the way, you're obviously making concessions to what other people want or consider fun. But if they're allowing blue, green and black to do all the bad stuff those colors can do, maybe you should too.
Two cards I'd suggest from my experience are Smokestack and Vicious Shadows. Smokestack works just fine as a value engine (or anti-value for your opponents) in a deck that makes tokens. It doesn't have to be a 'stax' deck. Put one on the side of your playmat during some games and ask yourself how often it'd be helping you out. Vicious Shadows is just one of my favorite cards because of how it influences the decisions of others and how safe they feel.
I'm going to suggest one more card, since you have Sunforger, consider Ghostway. Indestructible doesn't do much against Hallowed Burial. Yeah Ghostway kills your tokens, but it can be like a second Boros Charm and I like it better than Faith's Reward in a deck like this.
EDIT: The looter dudes should come out for Wheel of Fortune and Reforge the Soul. The second is plenty budget enough. They not only refill your hand, but are answers to players who are sandbagging cards they tutored for.
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Well I already have a stax deck and I'm trying to make this one habit different. I like variety (pretty much all my decks are different).
Hmm I may consider ghostaway.
The main reason I run the looters is because
A) They are tutor-able.
B) They are creatures for Battalion.
Is that enough reason to run them over the wheels?
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I played with Legion's initiative. It was kind of meh.
Fervor can only be tutored by Enlightened Tutor (and it wouldn't be my first target) while Hellraiser can be tutored by Goblin Matron and Imperial Recruiter. There is only one creature I never want to attack with (goblin welder). I play smaller games so I don't need to leave blockers open.
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I added Sunhome last night in the place of Mishra's Factory.
My main reason for not using MLD is that Zur Stax deck already runs quite a bit of it. I'm mostly going for variety in my lists. Though it might have to come in at one point. It is what puts RW on an even level with other colors.
Stonehewer is amazing. Tutoring into play any equipment I want is really strong for two manager. And with all my rocks I can ramp into him quickly.
Against you? Nope lol :D. I feel like I'd rather play faith's reward since it is an instant that's tutor able with sunforger.
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Any reason I should even consider it?
Eldrazi Monument is better, and doesn't only work on the swing. And his other ability is lackluster.
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It works with battalion instead of against it and can be played without token generation or a number of cheap creatures on the board. They both give indestructibility, but they're relevant in different situations. It's worth consideration, even if you decide against it in the end.
I can't think of a situation I would ever really want it. Indestructible is almost always relevant on your opponents turn (wraths). They can always wait for when you aren't swinging to just kill him.
Creatures are more easily removed than artifacts, especially since we run a lot of spot removal.
He just seems....bad. Maybe I'm underrating him but I'm not very interested in him.
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This is mostly a meta difference I suppose. My playgroup is riddled with efficient answers, be it spot removal, counters or wraths. And answers for all types of permanents. Tajic being indestructible isn't as relevant as I had first hoped (but I still like him as the general) as he eats condemns, oblations, chaos warps, Swords, Paths, Ashes to Ashes, and tons of other removals. So a card triggering battalion isn't something that's a huge selling point to me. I run for utility first then how useful it is in combat.
I also only run 3 wraths in my deck. So the chances of me swinging then casting a wrath is pretty slim. And I have the sunforgable Boros charm that fills that role much better.
I do however appreciate the suggestions and encourage everyone to keep making them. This one however, just isn't for this deck.
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Very well. Mostly when I have Squee, but he isn't bad without it. While he isn't tutorable like Rummaging Goblin (with Matron), haste is relevant. He can come down and swing when I want him to or he trade a land in my hand to dig a little deeper.
I can think of a few games that I wouldn't have won without him.
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