Wow, we are getting seriously spoiled with Dragons. I wouldn't take out Eternal Witness, the deck is already light on recursion. E Wit is never a "dead" card. You're never going to play E Wit in the first three turns, and by turn 4 if something isn't in your graveyard you're lucky. From that point on you should have a decent E Wit target every turn of the game. Den Protector is even slower than E Wit, costing 5 for the vanilla ability. Both cards end up costing the same with an active Animar, and both are ridiculous with an active Cloudstone.
Soo Sarkhan doesn't really fit our deck, but the abilies are so good, (the ultimate doesn't help us much though, haven't really seen any dragons worth adding)
Sarkhan is pretty meh actually. The mono-red one from Khans would be better. Bogardan Hellkite is a finisher, the flash and the ability to hit player's are the reasons to run it. Atarka seems very good, but is just a dumb beater (a big Flametongue Kavu). I don't see any reason to run her over any card currently in the deck.
So we agree there's at least two auto includes so far plus a couple of cards that seem interesting. Not a lot going for us in the dragon front, but there's still a couple of dragons to go. (though I don't hold out hope for the uncommon mono dragons) Plus a lot of stuff still to be spoiled
Add in three planeswalkers who start as creatures and more eldrazi coming there could potentially be a lot of changes to Animar
There could be some potential in Avatar of the Resolute: it's almost always a 4/3 with reach and trample for
And if it comes after an Avenger of Zendikar with at least 1 land played...
Profaner of the Dead yeah it costs us one of our creatures, but it can clear the way for an alpha strike and can destroy token decks Silumgar Sorceror Same drawback as profaner, and I don't know exactly how many creatures we're afraid of, probably better to play mystic snake
EDIT Commander theory tumblr pointed out how well it can be abused with mimic vat. Stratus Dancer Already discussed Impact Tremors yes obviously Purphoros is better but it's redundancy and is grabable by Bloodbraid Elf and/or Shardless agent We have 3-4 cards coming in that can be part of an endless loop (including one that can do it on it's own) i think more ways we can make that loop a win condition the better. Kolaghan Stormsinger With 3 counters on Animar it's give a creature haste for red which isn't terrible, but unless you going in heavy on the infinite loop not sure if there's a card worth taking out for it Ainok Survivalist replacement for Reclamation sage? Or at the very least redundancy especially as it gets around Torpor orb. Sage is another one of those card I end up with in my opening hand and I hate casting it early. Den Protector Discussed already. Easy include Inspiring Call Most likely just a cantrip and protects Animar consider it if your in a board wipe heavy meta. Savage Ventmaw Discussed before Ancestral Statue Damn this card is good, It can go infinite on it's own.
When ~ enters the battlefield, return a nonland permanent you control to its owner's hand.
3/4
0 counters on Animar: {10} for an infinite Animar
1 counter on Animar: {6} for an infinite Animar
2 counters on Animar: {3} for an infinite Animar
3 counters on Animar: {1} for an infinite Animar
4+ counters on Animar: free infinite Animar
When ~ enters the battlefield, return a nonland permanent you control to its owner's hand.
3/4
0 counters on Animar: {10} for an infinite Animar
1 counter on Animar: {6} for an infinite Animar
2 counters on Animar: {3} for an infinite Animar
3 counters on Animar: {1} for an infinite Animar
4+ counters on Animar: free infinite Animar
When ~ enters the battlefield, return a nonland permanent you control to its owner's hand.
3/4
0 counters on Animar: {10} for an infinite Animar
1 counter on Animar: {6} for an infinite Animar
2 counters on Animar: {3} for an infinite Animar
3 counters on Animar: {1} for an infinite Animar
4+ counters on Animar: free infinite Animar
Anyone tried out Rishadan Footpad and Rishadan Cutpurse? Has been pretty decent in MP along with Animar's discounts for me, but i'm considering them as potential cuts for DTK cards
Thoughts? or are they definite cuts in regards to what we can have instead of them?
Profaner of the Dead yeah it costs us one of our creatures, but it can clear the way for an alpha strike and can destroy token decks Silumgar Sorceror Same drawback as profaner, and I don't know exactly how many creatures we're afraid of, probably better to play mystic snake
EDIT Commander theory tumblr pointed out how well it can be abused with mimic vat. Stratus Dancer Already discussed Impact Tremors yes obviously Purphoros is better but it's redundancy and is grabable by Bloodbraid Elf and/or Shardless agent We have 3-4 cards coming in that can be part of an endless loop (including one that can do it on it's own) i think more ways we can make that loop a win condition the better. Kolaghan Stormsinger With 3 counters on Animar it's give a creature haste for red which isn't terrible, but unless you going in heavy on the infinite loop not sure if there's a card worth taking out for it Ainok Survivalist replacement for Reclamation sage? Or at the very least redundancy especially as it gets around Torpor orb. Sage is another one of those card I end up with in my opening hand and I hate casting it early. Den Protector Discussed already. Easy include Inspiring Call Most likely just a cantrip and protects Animar consider it if your in a board wipe heavy meta. Savage Ventmaw Discussed before Ancestral Statue Damn this card is good, It can go infinite on it's own.
I might actually switch out Acidic Slime for Ainok Survivalist. Land destruction itsnt really that necessary in my meta. I use the other two way more often. The loss of deathtouch would suck but the infinite combo and the easier green mana is quite nice.
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Why haven't you already got rid of Acidic Slime? It costs 5 and has CC in its cost. There are so many better choices. If all you want to do is smash something. The Deathtouch is relevant, but the primary value of the card is its ability to destroy something, and in that even a noncreature such as Naturalize or Ancient Grudge is better.
I'm pretty sure I would rather have Acidic Slime than Naturalize or Ancient Grudge because Acidic Slime is a creature and destroying lands can be very relevant. Having said that I'll would prob at least try out Ainok Survivalist because of being a low drop, morph AND only cost a one and a green to flip or at most one and a green to play if you have to.
Just because a card is a creature doesn't automatically make it better for Animar. Acidic Slime comes down on turn 4, whereas Ancient Grudge or Naturalize can be played when it's relevant on turn 2. I can't think of a situation where having the ability to destroy a single land after turn 4 is better than dealing with a Sol Ring on turn 2. Remember that Torpor Orb exists.
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Add in three planeswalkers who start as creatures and more eldrazi coming there could potentially be a lot of changes to Animar
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Profaner of the Dead yeah it costs us one of our creatures, but it can clear the way for an alpha strike and can destroy token decks
Silumgar Sorceror Same drawback as profaner, and I don't know exactly how many creatures we're afraid of, probably better to play mystic snake
EDIT Commander theory tumblr pointed out how well it can be abused with mimic vat.
Stratus Dancer Already discussed
Impact Tremors yes obviously Purphoros is better but it's redundancy and is grabable by Bloodbraid Elf and/or Shardless agent We have 3-4 cards coming in that can be part of an endless loop (including one that can do it on it's own) i think more ways we can make that loop a win condition the better.
Kolaghan Stormsinger With 3 counters on Animar it's give a creature haste for red which isn't terrible, but unless you going in heavy on the infinite loop not sure if there's a card worth taking out for it
Ainok Survivalist replacement for Reclamation sage? Or at the very least redundancy especially as it gets around Torpor orb. Sage is another one of those card I end up with in my opening hand and I hate casting it early.
Den Protector Discussed already. Easy include
Inspiring Call Most likely just a cantrip and protects Animar consider it if your in a board wipe heavy meta.
Savage Ventmaw Discussed before
Ancestral Statue Damn this card is good, It can go infinite on it's own.
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When ~ enters the battlefield, return a nonland permanent you control to its owner's hand.
3/4
0 counters on Animar: {10} for an infinite Animar
1 counter on Animar: {6} for an infinite Animar
2 counters on Animar: {3} for an infinite Animar
3 counters on Animar: {1} for an infinite Animar
4+ counters on Animar: free infinite Animar
btw, how many artifact enchantment hate do u guys run? and is 36 lands ideal?
So there are four really strong options verging on auto-includes here? This guy, Den Protector, Ainok Survivalist, and Stratus Dancer?
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Den Protector is a great alternative to Witness (Though both is a good option too.)
Ainok I think is better than Vigilante and will probably replace it. Don't think you need both.
Stratus is great (esp in duel), but there are other good counter options. Not sure what it will replace.
The fact that all 3 are morph is great synergy in itself. More Cloudstone potential, plus lots of morph is fun and hides information from opponents.
Yes indeed!
Thoughts? or are they definite cuts in regards to what we can have instead of them?
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Great list. I am looking at:
Profaner of the Dead, Silumgar Sorceror, and Stratus Dancer: because I want a more controlling deck.
Ainok Survivalist, Den Protector: these two look like great inclusions for redundancy of already good effects.
Ancestral Statue: new infinite fun? Yes please.
Shaman of Forgotten Ways: I want to test this for its utility with mana and life totals. Although it feels like it already has one foot out the door.
This is already way too many additions and I don't know how I will make space.
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