Quote from Meecht »Khorvath's Fury - resetting your hand can be useful, but Molten Psyche is similar and we don't run that
Quote from osieorb18 »Dark-Dweller Oracle looks pretty good.
Quote from buddha84 »both this and the new goblins from m19 makes it worth it to return to a more goblin-centric shell, imo.
Quote from osieorb18 »Quote from buddha84 »both this and the new goblins from m19 makes it worth it to return to a more goblin-centric shell, imo.
Nah. But this is good.
I also like the new Loyal Apprentice and Enchanter's Bane.
Quote from buddha84 »Isolated Watchtower is not the ramp we wanted, but it is the ramp we needed. and it can't replace scrying sheets, but i would need to lower my non-basic count for sure.
anyone up for some math about the optimal number of basics vs fetches?
Quote from Al_Z_Heimer »I'm actually interested in Saheeli's Directive. I may give it a try and see how it performs.
Quote from GakaI, for one, welcome our new Norin the Wary overlords.
Quote from kalkris »So, friends, I've remade my Norin deck (praised be!) and in doing so I realized a few things:
1) Daretti, Scrap Savant does Artifacts better than him.
2) Purphoros, God of the Forge does ETBs better than him.
3) Krenko, Mob Boss does Goblin tribal better than him (with Grenzo, Havoc Raiser close behind).
4) Zndrsplt, Eye of Wisdom with Okaun, Eye of Chaos does coin flippery (and, arguably, chaos as a whole, as a result of that) better than him.
With this in mind I began myself to thinking: in a format where mono-Red already has the short end of the stick, in many cases, and with WotC's attempts at making Red better (maybe not directly, but still), where does Norin fall in the grand scheme of Red being a contender?
I've always loved this deck. If you recall I made a Facebook page giving praise to the unsung messiah we have as our commander (link in sig lmao). But is he simply outclasses by stronger, more-focused decks? Or is Norin meant to be more of a sort of jack-of-all-trades?
Just some things to ponder whilst we have cool toys from c18 to muck around with.
Quote from paragonweapon »While you are right on all of those counts, those generals are all more threatening and playing any those generals signals to your opponent what your strategy is. Norin lets us fly under the radar and while they are a few cards synonymous with Norin (e.g. Confusion in the Ranks, Genesis Chamber) people don't know how the deck would work by just seeing the general.
Quote from buddha84 »you just missed how norin is better than the above at big red control strategy. not because he is a stronger general, but because the other ones are too focused on their own theme to be able to do anything else than either push the table or do nothing.
daretti won't be able to drop something huge in his gy without rising eyebrows. purphoros' player has a target on its head since turn 1. krenko will force the table to wrath, and the coin flip tribal can't be compared to norin because of the presence of blue.
norin instead will come into play turn 1 and give the player the incremental advantage sorely needed by mono-red with almost every other card in the deck. these resources can then be used to talk with other players to show they can be used "for the good of the table" (pandemonium can keep athraxa in check and so on). then, and only then, norin will try to win with purphoros or confusion in the ranks. good luck doing that with the other mono red commanders!