I put in the Panorama lands and they have been better than expected: Bant Panorama, Naya Panorama, and Jund Panorama. They tap for colorless. If we need to sac them they do neat things with landfall, Titania, Crucible, and Loam. Ordered some foil Panoramas to put in. Tranquil Thicket was bad: does nothing without Loam and coming in tapped is a liability.
Have you considered Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury at all? And do you really just except the fact that you fold to Armageddon, or do you try to fight it somehow? I most certainly just try to not play against players that use cards like that, or encourage players to not use cards that are considered universally "unfun" like Armageddon effects.
Freyalise is very slow. The advantage she generates takes too long. Armageddon/Cataclysm/Sunder isn't terrible if we have a board. I've come back and taken games after such plays. But right after a wipe, we aren't coming back if our lands get blown up. That is game.
Also, Multani's Acolyte might be another Elvish Visionary you're looking for. And Shrine of the Forsaken God's seems like a more reasonable Temple of the False Gods. You already commented on needing to tap lands the turn they enter, and temple might give you a hiccup. And how often is Inkmoth Nexus Relevant?
Don't most decks fold to Armageddon? Azusa will recover better than most. Especially if one of her engines is on the board or Crucible or Loam are there.
Multani's Acolyte doesn't look very strong. The echo cost is bad. Shrine of the Forsaken Gods looks good. I'm reaching the point where I'm running too few forests but I'll see if I can make room for it. Temple of the False Gods is usually active - the list is designed to get to 5 lands T3. Sucka is right on. We can recover quickly if we have an engine online.
I'm pretty much resigned to the notion that stax is the only way to compete against T1 decks using monogreen. We can't win fast enough. And they are simply more efficient. The only thing we do better is we have more lands. So we slow the game down to buy us enough time to get to Craterhoof. Their land count is far less than ours so it will take them longer to reach critical mass. I'm going to gut the removal package and cut some lands in favor of a fast mana package to lay out an early Trinisphere or tax piece. I think this is the only way to go.
Azusa can mitigate tax effects. A fast start into Azusa T1/2 and a tax piece is potent. We can get around tax effects with a good start while crippling opponents. I'm going to try the full complement of Thorn, Root Maze, Sphere of Resistance, Trinisphere, Lodestone Golem, and Tangle Wire. Fast mana like Lotus Petal, Elvish Spirit Guide, Mana Vault, and Mox Diamond are going in too. Freyalise is awful.
edit: And while it may not be possible to beat Tier 1 decks with monogreen, I'm going to at least give it a go
I'm going to try the full complement of Thorn, Root Maze, Sphere of Resistance, Trinisphere, Lodestone Golem, and Tangle Wire. Fast mana like Lotus Petal, Elvish Spirit Guide, Mana Vault, and Mox Diamond are going in too.
Looks like at this point you're just trying to play a way worse version of Derevi Prison...
Played Azusa with Trinisphere, Sphere of Resistance and friends in several games against Prossh combo, Oloro stax, and Zur. The density of those pieces was too thin to make a mark on the game. The only tutorable piece was Lodestone Golem, which actually did some good work in one game. I'm going to go back to the old stompy configuration with the addition of Lodestone Golem and Hall of Gemstone. I cut Life from the Loam again, it is too slow in my meta. We can't afford to durdle.
Have you ever thought about running "abundance"? It combos really well with sylvan library because u get to just draw 3 cards so if u need lands u can get lands or get nonlands. Even if u have it by itself it makes sure u dont dead draw most of the time.
Have you ever thought about running "abundance"? It combos really well with sylvan library because u get to just draw 3 cards so if u need lands u can get lands or get nonlands. Even if u have it by itself it makes sure u dont dead draw most of the time.
While all those things are nice, the card is too slow in my experience. I'm looking to close things out by turn 5-6 in my Azusa and the earliest Abundance is coming down is turn 3, but there are more productive things to be doing instead. You usually don't care about the 8-16 life lost from library unless the game drags on.
I run Abundance because of the Recycle combo, but in general, it is just a really strong card, perhaps one of the strongest cards in my deck. It always leads to some monster turns if I am drawing a lot of cards. Void Winnower has been huge too because it shuts down many wraths, Cyclonic Rift, etc.
How often do you expect to see Abundance and Recylce together? Green can only tutor for lands and creatures. Not often. By itself Abundance is not efficient: as a 4cmc filter card it really kills your tempo when it comes down. I don't like the card much
You are right on the tutor part. I try to generate a lot of card draw which increases my chances some. Perhaps Abundance should be slated as a pet card a bit, since I really enjoy playing it when it is helping me go off.
This is my favorite deck, and it makes me sad you haven't made any updated in almost a year, especially when a potentially amazing card comes out for it.
Sadly I dismantled this list a year ago and built Azusa in a Bant shell: Derevi landfall. If I were to update this list Ulvenwald Hydra, Zendikar's Roil, and Nissa, Vital Force would all get serious looks. The problem this list had was when it faced fast combo; it doesn't have an answer. Stax elements are the only way to combat multiple, fast combo decks sitting across from you, especially if you want to turn creatures sideways and beat face. There just weren't enough stax elements available in monogreen.
With Ramunap Excavator, Azusa has a fun new toy. Fetch or Strip/Wasteland and Excavator is going to generate serious landfall synergy with Titania, Nissa, Zendikars Roil, Rampaging Baloths, Lotus Cobra. I streamlined my old list and cut out the Eldrazi. There are a ton of green tutors to get to Ramunap, Titania, and Craterhoof. Counted 12 ways to get to a T2 or earlier Azusa, so it's borderline competitive.
Saw a thread on another Azusa list. It got me thinking about my old flame Azusa. And I was inspired to revisit this, my old Azusa list. Fixed her up. I ditched most of the stax elements in favor of more speed. It's fast. It can goldfish a T2 win (against 3 opponents) with a perfect hand. I think that's the best you can do by turning sideways. A T1 or T2 Stone-Seeder can lead to that rare T2-T3 win. Mostly averages T5. I'm thinking of taking her for a spin at the LGS.
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GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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edit: And while it may not be possible to beat Tier 1 decks with monogreen, I'm going to at least give it a go
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
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GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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Looks like at this point you're just trying to play a way worse version of Derevi Prison...
GWU Derevi, the Prison Queen UWG
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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G Azusa, Wherever I May Roam
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URG Maelstrom Wanderer Howdy
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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G Azusa, Wherever I May Roam
UG Rashmi Simic Power
WB Kambal Life Gain Kills
URG Maelstrom Wanderer Howdy
Ulvenwald Hydra
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BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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