Our lists are pretty similar, nice! This definitely gives me some ideas. How has your luck been with Imp's Mischief and Withering Boon? I've always wanted to slot those in but can never find room. Also I like the look of Helm of Possession a lot... hmm.
By the way I think Braids, Cabal Minion is banned. Not sure if you knew that or not. I was sad to cut her from my list.
Our lists are pretty similar, nice! This definitely gives me some ideas. How has your luck been with Imp's Mischief and Withering Boon? I've always wanted to slot those in but can never find room. Also I like the look of Helm of Possession a lot... hmm.
By the way I think Braids, Cabal Minion is banned. Not sure if you knew that or not. I was sad to cut her from my list.
I like both Mischief & Boon. Nothing like staying true to Mono B and still being able to say "NO"! I have never been disappointed with either of them.
But that's just my play style. YMMV.
Yeah, Black Braids is banned, but this is just for fun (No tournies) and our table is fine with her in the 99.
Cuts: Vedalken Orrery - Great, but doesn't have immediate impact Damnable Pact - Could be a way to dig deep or kill someone, but need room Boseiju, Who Shelters All - Protects spells, but comes in tapped and deck doesn't rely on spells as much as it once did Gate to Phyrexia - Always liked this on paper but can't remember the last time I was able to kill an artifact with it Ashnod's Altar - Free sac outlet, was able to fuel things sometimes, but adding other real ramp.
Looking ahead to Battle for Zendikar: Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger - I cut my other Eldrazi but double exile and exiling library is interesting. Will probably only buy one for Animar but we'll see. Void Winnower - Interesting control card, but isn't a hard lock and I don't think it does enough for the deck. Scour from Existence - Instant speed exile. Seems good. Oblivion Sower - Works with Oona's exile. Could make some great ramp. Definitely want to try it out. Grip of Desolation - Intant speed exile, Dark Impostor is kind of the same thing. Seems good. Vampiric Rites - Kind of like Infernal Tribute but works with Oona's tokens instead of all other permanents... also gives a little life. Might be worth trying out.
Cutting land by one because I've added a few rocks recently and Thawing Glaciers can be painfully slow. Gauntlet of Power is nice but can help opponents and I still have three other doublers in the deck. Perilous Vault seemed like my weakest sweeper of which I have plenty.
Surveyor's Scope should help equalize if playing against a bunch of ramp decks and Imp's Mischief should provide a nice answer to a Time Stretch or turning counterspells on themselves. Helm of Possession looks like it can be great fun, stealing commanders or the best creature on the board. I only have one sac outlet in Phyrexian Tower so thinking about adding Ashnod's Altar back in, maybe in Basalt Monolith's place. Have to think about it.
Also taking out Sever the Bloodline for Murder. I feel the lower CMC and instant speed is more valuable then the exile with flashback.
Looking ahead to Oath of the Gatewatch: Warping Wail - I'm always on the lookout for counterspells I can use in this deck. I have a decent amount of colorless mana so it could work. Although Withering Boon would also probably deserve a spot somewhere in the list first. Otherwise nothing else really piqued my interest for mono black.
Thanks for the feedback! So I've been debating Jet Medallion vs Charcoal Diamond since I read your comment. Obviously Jet Medallion is better when you're firing off multiple spells but Charcoal Diamond works with activated abilities. It's a rough call. I'm going to try slotting Charcoal Diamond in and see how I like it.
Black Market is something I've always debated, seems like it could get out of hand but it doesn't have immediate impact. I don't own one right now but they are only about $2.00 since the reprint so might be worth picking up.
Attrition is something I'd like to try again. Another sac outlet is nice and being able to snipe off non-black creatures using tokens or Kokusho, the Evening Star should make it worth it.
Also finally picked up a copy of Withering Boon. Should provide a nice answer when I don't want an ETB trigger to go off.
Decided to go back to the Jet Medallion, I feel like it's more useful more of the time. Also don't like how the Charcoal Diamond comes into play tapped.
I wanted to work Sword of Feast and Famine in as another mana doubler. The discard and extra power/toughness and protections have enabled some commander damage wins as well. Dark Impostor is a nice answer to any creature but costing six is a lot. Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief kinda does the same thing and can be a better beat stick.
I didn't really see anything from Eldritch Moon that I want to add to the deck.
Made some updates, added fetches and dual lands to support some blue cards while keeping the swamp count high for Cabal Coffers type cards. Took out the infinite mana combo (Deserted Temple) to focus more on a "fair" big mana theme. This is still a very capable deck without comboing off and allows some more fun interactive cards to exist in it.
I have been in love with Necromancy since I put it into my decklist.
Here it is for reference. Might give you an idea or 2.
1x Oona, Queen of the Fae
Planeswalkers (3)
1x Karn Liberated
1x Liliana of the Dark Realms
1x Sorin Markov
Creatures (20)
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Burnished Hart
1x Crypt Ghast
1x Dimir House Guard
1x Disciple of Bolas
1x Erebos, God of the Dead
1x Fleshwrither
1x Grave Titan
1x Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1x Kokusho, the Evening Star
1x Mindslicer
1x Nirkana Revenant
1x Phyrexian Metamorph
1x Puppeteer Clique
1x Reassembling Skeleton
1x Rune-Scarred Demon
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Slum Reaper
1x Solemn Simulacrum
1x Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed
Instants (7)
1x Dark Ritual
1x Hero's Downfall
1x Imp's Mischief
1x Moonlight Bargain
1x Murder
1x Tragic Slip
1x Withering Boon
1x Ashes to Ashes
1x Damnation
1x Decree of Pain
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Increasing Ambition
1x Praetor's Grasp
1x Promise of Power
1x Read the Bones
1x Sadistic Sacrament
1x Sign in Blood
1x Toxic Deluge
Enchantment (5)
1x Bitterblossom
1x Contamination
1x Necromancy
1x Phyrexian Arena
1x Phyrexian Reclamation
Artifacts (16)
1x Basalt Monolith
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Expedition Map
1x Helm of Possession
1x Jet Medallion
1x Mind Stone
1x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Oblivion Stone
1x Rings of Brighthearth
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Worn Powerstone
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Bloodstained Mire
1x Buried Ruin
1x Cabal Coffers
1x Deserted Temple
1x Inkmoth Nexus
1x Phyrexian Tower
1x Polluted Delta
1x Strip Mine
23x Swamp
1x Terrain Generator
1x Thespian's Stage
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Verdant Catacombs
1x Wasteland
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By the way I think Braids, Cabal Minion is banned. Not sure if you knew that or not. I was sad to cut her from my list.
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I like both Mischief & Boon. Nothing like staying true to Mono B and still being able to say "NO"! I have never been disappointed with either of them.
But that's just my play style. YMMV.
Yeah, Black Braids is banned, but this is just for fun (No tournies) and our table is fine with her in the 99.
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Vedalken Orrery - Great, but doesn't have immediate impact
Damnable Pact - Could be a way to dig deep or kill someone, but need room
Boseiju, Who Shelters All - Protects spells, but comes in tapped and deck doesn't rely on spells as much as it once did
Gate to Phyrexia - Always liked this on paper but can't remember the last time I was able to kill an artifact with it
Ashnod's Altar - Free sac outlet, was able to fuel things sometimes, but adding other real ramp.
Adds:
Basalt Monolith - Infinite
Burnished Hart - Ramp
Sidisi, Undead Vizier - Recurrable Tutor
Thran Dynamo - Ramp
Jet Medallion - Ramp
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Looking ahead to Battle for Zendikar:
Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger - I cut my other Eldrazi but double exile and exiling library is interesting. Will probably only buy one for Animar but we'll see.
Void Winnower - Interesting control card, but isn't a hard lock and I don't think it does enough for the deck.
Scour from Existence - Instant speed exile. Seems good.
Oblivion Sower - Works with Oona's exile. Could make some great ramp. Definitely want to try it out.
Grip of Desolation - Intant speed exile, Dark Impostor is kind of the same thing. Seems good.
Vampiric Rites - Kind of like Infernal Tribute but works with Oona's tokens instead of all other permanents... also gives a little life. Might be worth trying out.
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Making cuts in this deck is always hard for me. Was also looking at Beseech the Queen, Increasing Ambition, Diabolic Revelation, Hex Parasite, and Sorin Markov. Will probably look at them for the new cards. Interested in any feedback.
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Still thinking about Vampiric Rites, Grip of Desolation, and Scour from Existence.
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1 Perilous Vault
1 Gauntlet of Power
1 Sever the Bloodline
1 Surveyor's Scope
1 Helm of Possession
1 Murder
Cutting land by one because I've added a few rocks recently and Thawing Glaciers can be painfully slow. Gauntlet of Power is nice but can help opponents and I still have three other doublers in the deck. Perilous Vault seemed like my weakest sweeper of which I have plenty.
Surveyor's Scope should help equalize if playing against a bunch of ramp decks and Imp's Mischief should provide a nice answer to a Time Stretch or turning counterspells on themselves. Helm of Possession looks like it can be great fun, stealing commanders or the best creature on the board. I only have one sac outlet in Phyrexian Tower so thinking about adding Ashnod's Altar back in, maybe in Basalt Monolith's place. Have to think about it.
Also taking out Sever the Bloodline for Murder. I feel the lower CMC and instant speed is more valuable then the exile with flashback.
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Diabolic Revelation => Beseech the Queen - Diabolic Revelation sits in my hand until late game and I have to tap out for it which normally results in me getting killed. Beseech the Queen is a bad black tutor but most of the time it will get me Cabal Coffers or Sol Ring on turn 3.
Looking ahead to Oath of the Gatewatch:
Warping Wail - I'm always on the lookout for counterspells I can use in this deck. I have a decent amount of colorless mana so it could work. Although Withering Boon would also probably deserve a spot somewhere in the list first. Otherwise nothing else really piqued my interest for mono black.
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1 Surveyor's Scope
1 Murder
1 Silence the Believers
1 Hex Parasite
1 Mindslaver
1 Mind Stone
1 Reassembling Skeleton
1 Go for the Throat
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Tragic Slip
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Attrition, Death Match, Black market are some other cards that come to mind...
awesome list! +1 from me
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Thanks for the feedback! So I've been debating Jet Medallion vs Charcoal Diamond since I read your comment. Obviously Jet Medallion is better when you're firing off multiple spells but Charcoal Diamond works with activated abilities. It's a rough call. I'm going to try slotting Charcoal Diamond in and see how I like it.
Black Market is something I've always debated, seems like it could get out of hand but it doesn't have immediate impact. I don't own one right now but they are only about $2.00 since the reprint so might be worth picking up.
Attrition is something I'd like to try again. Another sac outlet is nice and being able to snipe off non-black creatures using tokens or Kokusho, the Evening Star should make it worth it.
Also finally picked up a copy of Withering Boon. Should provide a nice answer when I don't want an ETB trigger to go off.
1 Jet Medallion
1 Basalt Monolith
1 Disciple of Bolas
1 Charcoal Diamond
1 Attrition
1 Withering Boon
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3 Dark Impostor
2 Charcoal Diamond
3 Sword of Feast and Famine
2 Jet Medallion
Decided to go back to the Jet Medallion, I feel like it's more useful more of the time. Also don't like how the Charcoal Diamond comes into play tapped.
I wanted to work Sword of Feast and Famine in as another mana doubler. The discard and extra power/toughness and protections have enabled some commander damage wins as well. Dark Impostor is a nice answer to any creature but costing six is a lot. Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief kinda does the same thing and can be a better beat stick.
I didn't really see anything from Eldritch Moon that I want to add to the deck.
Retired Lists: Ghave - Hanna - Thrun - Zur
Pauper: Crypt Rats
Retired Lists: Ghave - Hanna - Thrun - Zur
Pauper: Crypt Rats
1 Deserted Temple
3 Mirage Mirror
5 The Scarab God
8 Razaketh, the Foulblooded
1 Swamp
5 Chainer, Dementia Master
5 Dark Petition
5 Eldrazi Monument
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3 Mnemonic Betrayal
4 Notion Thief
Notion Thief never really paid off for me. Wan to try out the Mnemonic Betrayal for some late game blowouts.
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