The strategy and card reasoning for this deck are one and the same.The reason I say this is,this deck is a big ball of wibbly-wabbly, Legendary...stuff. There are two main root to winning, aggro or combo. Both take every players' turns and about 15 minutes per each of their turns.
The Road to your win Con:
the wibbly-wabbly, Legendary...stuff, bare with me, even as I write this I won't understand the since of it.
Win Con-Combo:
This win Con happens often, the annoying part is you can get to in on purpose or completely by accident. because it is really hard to stop the combo win, nearly every time i try and go the Aggro win con, I end up playing with my self until I Combo win.
Combo requires either Sevela, Returned Explorer or Arcanis, the Omnipotent, Mind over Matter and Laboratory Maniac (this is the time to use Eternal Witness seeing as you try and force Aggro and discard the maniac early to Mind over Matter to untap land.
Win Con-Aggro:
This win con does not always occur. On the Road to your victory, you can and usually wito ll get to the combo win-con at random.
Aggro requires Hero's Podium, Akroma's Memorial and all 20+ legendary creatures. Essentially that's all.
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Sept. 24, 2013 Cut: Krosan Verge : will put back in once i get dual lands Hinterland Harbor : Need to acquire Dawn Charm : Harder to find than you would think Holy Day : I'm cutting Iscochron Scepter Fog : read Holy Day Iscochron scepter : decided to cut the Fog of turbofog for more utility Circular Logic : moved it to my Thraximundar deck
October 2,2013- Theros Update! Cut:
2x Plains : needed room and more things around Alchemist's Refuge: Leyline works just as often Diviner's Wand: In all honesty this was a hard cut, i love making the hippo into a +20/+20 general by main phase I Temple Bell: I have Arcanis now, so I upgraded. Mind's Eye: Upgraded to Rystic Study Nature's Spiral: I have alot of Permanent Recursion so I'm trying out one less recursion Sun Titan: Again trying less recursion than I have. Blazing Archon:No real reason to have cut, just wanted the room for some upgrades Capsize: I was only trying this one out, I still don't get the hype over such a "ok" card. Beacon of Immortaility: TT_TT I already miss this card. Wickerbough Elder: Meh, want to add it back in soon
Add: Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx: Since i'm heavy in the permanents this card has the potentail to be broken in here. Celestial Colonande: man-land's are always a good thing for the save Hinterland harbor: been trying to get one, went on sale and bought it Darksteel Plate: its always nice to have a indestructable general. Elspeth, Sun's Champion: I really just don't want to trade her off, so I stuck her in here, so far its pretty good. Supreme Verdict: FINALLY TRADED FOR ONE!!! I've been trying to get this card for a while, now I have it I'm so happy. Momir Vig, Simic Visionary: this was my first ever general, I'm so glad i was able to get him in here. Kira, Great Glass-spinner:Great control effect ,so what if I have to equip a creature twice. Captain Sisay: I guess there is a Legendary subtheme now so I put here in for tutoring. Arcanis the Omnipotent: going infinite draw is amazing! also fits the subtheme. Rystic Study: A better version of Mind's Eye Hundred-handed One: it blocks 100 creatures, and reach
Add: Sculpting Steel: I needed more copying artifact effects Phyrexian Metamorph: same reason as sculpting steel Opal Palace: more of an aggro land but still taps for all the mana i want. Nylea, God of the Hunt: Going to add all three gods soon,she's the first. Experiment Kraj: with all the activated effects my creatures have, this guy is amazing! Polulranos, World Eater: A LEGENDARY monster, and a board wipe... whats not to love?
December 31,2013
Cut: Spellbook:Moving most of my turbo cards into my Nekusar deck Recollect: this was always on the cut list
You on a budget? I'll run through this and see if anything I know will help improve it.
i didnt think it was a budget build, but after finishing the design on tappedout i thought it would cost more, but the combo pieces tanked in price, but i do think i need to add some tutors.
Lightmine Field -1 I looked through the enchantments and this seems to be one of the ones that could be cut, not sure about your meta but this card wouldn't create that big of a scare in my play group, if there are enough creatures on the field to make this card good, the field should be blown up.
Worldly Tutor +1 Tutor , sometimes you don't have what you need to help you get rolling, this card for that reason is my favorite card, playing it at your opponents end step to draw it is a good feeling.
Storm Herd -1 This card can be really good , but in a deck that doesn't have focus on tokens makes you a target, it also makes it so if someone drops a masscare wurm you lose the game.( My meta loves MW)
Sword of Body and Mind +1 personally my favorite sword, blue and green are both common types in commander so it offers good protection.
Diviner's Wand -1 I just really don't like this card seems just kinda slow to me.
Thats all I got for now, overall tho it looks pretty solid, a Sensei's Divining Top is always in include in my decks.
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meh, because the hippo makes people more happy, they think "Oh Hippo, its a group hug deck, i dont care about him" as apposed to Angus they'd think, "**** turbofog"
Clinging Mists if you want a way to fog with a tap effect for the late game.
Dunno exactly what you'd cut for either, but hope it helps.
right now i'm thinking of adding these:
[CARD]Mirari's wake
Glare of Subdual
Aura Shards
Stiring wildwood
selesnya sanctuary
Simic Growth chamber
Azorius Chancery[/CARD]
and might convert into a more aggro turbofog, if thats possible
meh, because the hippo makes people more happy, they think "Oh Hippo, its a group hug deck, i dont care about him" as apposed to Angus they'd think, "**** turbofog"
>.< That's exactly what people think but the great part about turbo fog is: What are they going to do about it? Angus Mackenzie would be strictly better for this deck. Budget restrictions, now that I understand.
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So for some reason I can't go into Advanced for modifying a post, but I have updated the list, what does everyone think? It's starting to have a subtheme of legends now.
So for some reason I can't go into Advanced for modifying a post, but I have updated the list, what does everyone think? It's starting to have a subtheme of legends now.
i'm really interested in a Phelddagrif list nowadays. seems like you've been developing yours pretty well lately. is the list on the first page the updated list? if not, would really love to see your updated list as of this moment.
i'm really interested in a Phelddagrif list nowadays. seems like you've been developing yours pretty well lately. is the list on the first page the updated list? if not, would really love to see your updated list as of this moment.
it should be, else check the tappedout link at the bottom that should take you to my constantly updated list there.
First: Personally, I would bump up to 36 or 37 lands, cutting things like Obelisk of Bant and Spellbook, Reliquary tower should be sufficient enough, you don't need Reliquary tower, Venser's Journal and Spellbook, thats just too much. Add in another 2 forests.
Second: I would also personally cut out the ravnica bounce lands, sure you can tap a land and then bounce it, but early game if you have nothing to play and only have bounce lands, you can screw yourself out of an entire turn with them, replace them with basic lands. I don't know what your meta is like, but I can't put enough emphasis on basic lands, building up a pillow fort of obelisk of bant and gilded lotus you are just asking to be Akroma's Vengeance or Austere Command and I have been seeing a lot of Bane of Progress in play lately. Not to mention the ever popular Nevinyrral's Disk and Oblivion Stone
Fourth: Replace Recollect with Regrowth , they reprinted them in the Theros Dual deck so everyone has them and a lot of people don't know how valuable they are.
Fifth: Treva's Charm seems pretty decent. Giving you the option to end of turn draw/discard, or removing problematic creatures that swing your way seems nice. Also enchantments are typically the least hated thing in EDH, so its nice to have that extra option.
Thats all the advice I can really think of, Hope it helps!
Oh Archon, forgot about him, the total defense will be defense against everything exept for searching libraries,and I think counterspells(I have to check at my place for the full list) it includes:
1x Bant Panorama
1x Celestial Colonnade
1x Command Tower
1x Evolving Wilds
4x Forest
1x Glacial Fortress
1x Halimar Depths
1x Hinterland Harbor
5x Island
1x Lonely Sandbar
1x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1x Opal Palace
4x Plains
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Seaside Citadel
1x Secluded Steppe
1x Selesnya Sanctuary
1x Simic Growth Chamber
1x Stirring Wildwood
1x Sunpetal Grove
1x Temple of the False God
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Tranquil Thicket
1x Treva's Ruins
1x Cultivate
1x Day of Judgment
1x Kodama's Reach
1x Prosperity
1x Skyscribing
1x Spitting Image
1x Supreme Verdict
1x Time Stretch
1x Wargate
1x Wrath of God
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Obelisk of Bant
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sol Ring
1x Venser's Journal
1x Acidic Slime
1x Angel of Jubilation
1x Arcanis the Omnipotent
1x Avacyn, Angel of Hope
1x Captain Sisay
1x Eternal Witness
1x Experiment Kraj
1x Hanna, Ship's Navigator
1x Heliod, god of the Sun
1x Indrik Stomphowler
1x Kami of the Crescent Moon
1x Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1x Laboratory Maniac
1x Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
1x Nylea, God of the Hunt
1x Overbeing of Myth
1x Phelddagrif
1x Phyrexian Metamorph
1x Polukranos, World Eater
1x Prophet of Kruphix
1x Psychosis Crawler
1x Sakashima the Impostor
1x Stormtide Leviathan
1x Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
1x Walking Archive
1x Aura Shards
1x Copy Artifact
1x Copy Enchantment
1x Leyline of Anticipation
1x Leyline of Sanctity
1x Mana Reflection
1x Mind Over Matter
1x Mirari's Wake
1x Oblivion Ring
1x Omniscience
1x Privileged Position
1x Rhystic Study
1x Rites of Flourishing
1x Sterling Grove
1x Bant Charm
1x Condemn
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Hinder
1x Oblation
1x Spell Crumple
1x Spin into Myth
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Venser, the Sojourner
The strategy and card reasoning for this deck are one and the same.The reason I say this is,this deck is a big ball of wibbly-wabbly, Legendary...stuff. There are two main root to winning, aggro or combo. Both take every players' turns and about 15 minutes per each of their turns.
The Road to your win Con:
the wibbly-wabbly, Legendary...stuff, bare with me, even as I write this I won't understand the since of it.
Win Con-Combo:
This win Con happens often, the annoying part is you can get to in on purpose or completely by accident. because it is really hard to stop the combo win, nearly every time i try and go the Aggro win con, I end up playing with my self until I Combo win.
Combo requires either Sevela, Returned Explorer or Arcanis, the Omnipotent, Mind over Matter and Laboratory Maniac (this is the time to use Eternal Witness seeing as you try and force Aggro and discard the maniac early to Mind over Matter to untap land.
Win Con-Aggro:
This win con does not always occur. On the Road to your victory, you can and usually wito ll get to the combo win-con at random.
Aggro requires Hero's Podium, Akroma's Memorial and all 20+ legendary creatures. Essentially that's all.
Sept. 24, 2013
Cut:
Krosan Verge : will put back in once i get dual lands
Hinterland Harbor : Need to acquire
Dawn Charm : Harder to find than you would think
Holy Day : I'm cutting Iscochron Scepter
Fog : read Holy Day
Iscochron scepter : decided to cut the Fog of turbofog for more utility
Circular Logic : moved it to my Thraximundar deck
Add:
1 Island : to compensate for the verge
Spellbook : Extra Max effect
Wrath of God: Always a good thing to have a extra board wipe
Blazing archon : when saying no just isn't enough
Hanna, Ship's Navigator : Recurve
Kozilek, Butcher of truth : Just in case i deck myself out
Omniscience : just evil of course
October 2,2013- Theros Update!
Cut:
2x Plains : needed room and more things around
Alchemist's Refuge: Leyline works just as often
Diviner's Wand: In all honesty this was a hard cut, i love making the hippo into a +20/+20 general by main phase I
Temple Bell: I have Arcanis now, so I upgraded.
Mind's Eye: Upgraded to Rystic Study
Nature's Spiral: I have alot of Permanent Recursion so I'm trying out one less recursion
Sun Titan: Again trying less recursion than I have.
Blazing Archon:No real reason to have cut, just wanted the room for some upgrades
Capsize: I was only trying this one out, I still don't get the hype over such a "ok" card.
Beacon of Immortaility: TT_TT I already miss this card.
Wickerbough Elder: Meh, want to add it back in soon
Add:
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx: Since i'm heavy in the permanents this card has the potentail to be broken in here.
Celestial Colonande: man-land's are always a good thing for the save
Hinterland harbor: been trying to get one, went on sale and bought it
Darksteel Plate: its always nice to have a indestructable general.
Elspeth, Sun's Champion: I really just don't want to trade her off, so I stuck her in here, so far its pretty good.
Supreme Verdict: FINALLY TRADED FOR ONE!!! I've been trying to get this card for a while, now I have it I'm so happy.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary: this was my first ever general, I'm so glad i was able to get him in here.
Kira, Great Glass-spinner:Great control effect ,so what if I have to equip a creature twice.
Captain Sisay: I guess there is a Legendary subtheme now so I put here in for tutoring.
Arcanis the Omnipotent: going infinite draw
Rystic Study: A better version of Mind's Eye
Hundred-handed One: it blocks 100 creatures, and reach
November 22, 2013
Cut:
Hundred-Handed One: cutting for a legendary monster
elspeth, Sun's Titan: putting into my standard deck hopefully
Khalni Garden: Didn't like the ETB tapped bit
Righteous Authority: Cutting for other stuff
Cowed by Wisdom: Cutting for other stuff
Darksteel Plate: I have Avacyn, I wont be needing a Plate
Add:
Sculpting Steel: I needed more copying artifact effects
Phyrexian Metamorph: same reason as sculpting steel
Opal Palace: more of an aggro land but still taps for all the mana i want.
Nylea, God of the Hunt: Going to add all three gods soon,she's the first.
Experiment Kraj: with all the activated effects my creatures have, this guy is amazing!
Polulranos, World Eater: A LEGENDARY monster, and a board wipe... whats not to love?
December 31,2013
Cut:
Spellbook:Moving most of my turbo cards into my Nekusar deck
Recollect: this was always on the cut list
Add:
Prophet of Kruphix: better version of Seedborn Muse.
Angel of Jubilation: this is part of my total defense I'm trying to build.
January 21,2014
Cut:
Ivory Tower: Not going to be as Turbo as it once was
Howling Mine:Not going to be as Turbo as it once was
Font of Mythos:Not going to be as Turbo as it once was
Kira, the great Glass-spinner: Needed Room for Oblation
Add:
Heliod, god of the Sun: Increasing my legend count.
Treva's Ruin:Just acquired the old-school tri-land.
Cyclonic Rift: I need more mass removal.
Oblation: Tuck Effects are always good to add.
i didnt think it was a budget build, but after finishing the design on tappedout i thought it would cost more, but the combo pieces tanked in price, but i do think i need to add some tutors.
Cho-Manno, Revolutionary -1 - Overall I feel this is a weak card just because a 2/2 with basically indestructible isn't too amazing in EDH.
Enlightened Tutor + 1 -Tutor nuff said.
Lightmine Field -1 I looked through the enchantments and this seems to be one of the ones that could be cut, not sure about your meta but this card wouldn't create that big of a scare in my play group, if there are enough creatures on the field to make this card good, the field should be blown up.
Worldly Tutor +1 Tutor , sometimes you don't have what you need to help you get rolling, this card for that reason is my favorite card, playing it at your opponents end step to draw it is a good feeling.
Storm Herd -1 This card can be really good , but in a deck that doesn't have focus on tokens makes you a target, it also makes it so if someone drops a masscare wurm you lose the game.( My meta loves MW)
Sword of Body and Mind +1 personally my favorite sword, blue and green are both common types in commander so it offers good protection.
Diviner's Wand -1 I just really don't like this card seems just kinda slow to me.
Thats all I got for now, overall tho it looks pretty solid, a Sensei's Divining Top is always in include in my decks.
Why not use angus mackenzie for turbofog?
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meh, because the hippo makes people more happy, they think "Oh Hippo, its a group hug deck, i dont care about him" as apposed to Angus they'd think, "**** turbofog"
Druid's Deliverance - Fog is more useful then the populate mechanic.
Clinging Mists if you want a way to fog with a tap effect for the late game.
Dunno exactly what you'd cut for either, but hope it helps.
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right now i'm thinking of adding these:
[CARD]Mirari's wake
Glare of Subdual
Aura Shards
Stiring wildwood
selesnya sanctuary
Simic Growth chamber
Azorius Chancery[/CARD]
and might convert into a more aggro turbofog, if thats possible
WGSaffi EriksdotterGW
UBGThe MimeoplasmGBU
+ Kor Haven
+ Prahv, Spires of Order
+ Ghostly Prison
+ Propaganda
+ Collective Restaint
+ Spike Weaver
+ Constant Mists
Upon reading through your whole list my question is: How exactly do you turbo fog?
WGSaffi EriksdotterGW
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I just took out the Fog, now its Turbo
i'm really interested in a Phelddagrif list nowadays. seems like you've been developing yours pretty well lately. is the list on the first page the updated list? if not, would really love to see your updated list as of this moment.
it should be, else check the tappedout link at the bottom that should take you to my constantly updated list there.
Second: I would also personally cut out the ravnica bounce lands, sure you can tap a land and then bounce it, but early game if you have nothing to play and only have bounce lands, you can screw yourself out of an entire turn with them, replace them with basic lands. I don't know what your meta is like, but I can't put enough emphasis on basic lands, building up a pillow fort of obelisk of bant and gilded lotus you are just asking to be Akroma's Vengeance or Austere Command and I have been seeing a lot of Bane of Progress in play lately. Not to mention the ever popular Nevinyrral's Disk and Oblivion Stone
Third: Put things like Skyshroud Claim or Ranger's Path, so you can go grab breeding pool and Temple Garden
Fourth: Replace Recollect with Regrowth , they reprinted them in the Theros Dual deck so everyone has them and a lot of people don't know how valuable they are.
Fifth: Treva's Charm seems pretty decent. Giving you the option to end of turn draw/discard, or removing problematic creatures that swing your way seems nice. Also enchantments are typically the least hated thing in EDH, so its nice to have that extra option.
Thats all the advice I can really think of, Hope it helps!
Cut:
Spellbook:Moving most of my turbo cards into my Nekusar deck
Recollect: this was always on the cut list
Add:
Prophet of Kruphix: better version of Seedborn Muse.
Angel of Jubilation: this is part of my total defense I'm trying to build.
maybe throw in these? Blazing Archon, Propaganda, Ghostly Prison
Oh Archon, forgot about him, the total defense will be defense against everything exept for searching libraries,and I think counterspells(I have to check at my place for the full list) it includes:
Privileged Position + Copy Enchantment :First layer giving EVERYTHING Hexproof.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope : Gives EVERYTHING Indestructibility.
Sigarda, Host of Heron : Nothing I control Can be sacrificed (See Killing Wave)
Angel of Jubilation :Stops the second half of Killing Wave.
Leyline of Sanctity : Gives the Player Hexproof.
Empyrial Archangel: diverts all damage and lose of life to her.