I was playing a Rhys the Redeemed token deck for a while but I was disappointed with the lack of disruption I was running so I added black to try to have it be more disruptive and take advantage of tokens (see Braids/World Queller/Smokestax). I chose Doran instead of Teneb because he is much cheaper and works well on the hopefully empty board I can create. I have been torn on whether to include Sphere of Resistance effects or not. I am also working on a 1v1 list with a larger focus on targeted discard (Mind Shatter, Thoughtseize, ect.) if you have any suggestions for that.
Added more man lands as a wincon with a well timed Knight of the Reliquary. They aren't in the Multiplayer list because beating down with man lands becomes less viable against several players.
The list looks pretty good. Questions on a few cards, though.
What does Epocrasite do for the deck? I suppose it provides a creature that can be sacrificed multiple times, but seems a bit weak compared to other options.
Luminarch Ascension presumably also is supposed to make tokens to sacrifice. Have you found it to be slow to come online?
Shred Memory is presumably in the deck as another tutor. Would something like Diabolic Tutor, which hits anything for 1 more mana be better here? How often do you cast Shred Memory?
Come to think of it. I dont think I have ever got Ascension online. It was just in there as another token producer to work with stax effects.
Do you think that just the Bog is enough graveyard hate? Because Shred Memory was sorta pulling double duty.
I was considering running Vampiric Tutor in the multiplayer build to add some consistency. I was also thinking about Entomb. How do you feel about that. I have several cards that are still useful from the graveyard and maybe with the addition of Regrowth it could be a solid tutor.
I was also playing around with the idea of Nim Devourer and Grave-Shell Scarab. The Devourer because (I think) it can interact with stax effects so I dont have to sacrifice anything. And the Scarab for card advantage.
Thoughts?
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Okay thanks for the rules clarification. Its unfortunate by acceptable.
I have made some serious changes to the list so that it (hopefully) functions a bit better in multiplayer.
I have cut the entirety of the 'Lark combo in favor of Leyline of the Void and Helm of Obedience. It opened up some slots in the deck and I always enjoy some additional GY hate.
During play testing, I noticed that a key problem with the deck was that a stax "lock" was not that effective if the other players had already accumulated a significant amount of card advantage. To solve this, I needed to find a way to level the playing field and as far as CA is concerned essentially restart the game. Unfortunately for me Balance and Limited Resources are both banned in multiplayer so I need to find alternatives. Balancing Act and Death Cloud are both acceptable alternatives, but I am trying to squeeze in some Armageddon effects as well. To accommodate this, I added more artifact mana (Ur-Golem's Eye,Darksteel Ingot, ect.) so that armageddon effects don't hurt me as badly.
Also, opinions on Syphon Mind? I have been considering that and Persecute as possible targeted discard spells. I dont have much experience with either so any help would be appreciated.
1v1 updates still to come, but will likely be along the same lines.
master of the wild hunt is an extra creature that can feed stacks or it can just generate tokens and be green removal either way its a creature you should consider
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1 Academy Rector
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Creakwood Liege
1 Doran, the Siege Tower
1 Eternal Witness
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Genesis
1 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Magus of the Abyss
1 Mangara of Corondor
1 Nath of the Gilt-Leaf
1 Nether Traitor
1 Reassembling Skeleton
1 Sadistic Hypnotist
1 Sun Titan
1 World Queller
1 Armageddon
1 Balancing Act
1 Cataclysm
1 Death Cloud
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Eladamri's Call
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Entomb
1 Idyllic Tutor
1 Life from the Loam
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Pox
1 Profane Command
1 Putrefy
1 Shred Memory
1 Syphon Mind
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Vindicate
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Wrath of God
1 Awakening Zone
1 Bitterblossom
1 Land Tax
1 Leyline of the Void
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Sylvan Library
Artifacts
1 Coalition Relic
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Golgari Signet
1 Helm of Obedience
1 Journeyer's Kite
1 Nuisance Engine
1 Orzhov Signet
1 Selesnya Signet
1 Skullclamp
1 Smokestack
1 Sol Ring
1 Tangle Wire
1 Ur-Golem's Eye
1 Winter Orb
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Brushland
1 Caves of Koilos
1 Flagstones of Trokair
5 Forest
1 Godless Shrine
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kor Haven
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Marsh Flats
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Mistveil Plains
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Phyrexian Tower
4 Plains
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1 Springjack Pasture
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Strip Mine
5 Swamp
1 Temple Garden
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Wasteland
1 Windswept Heath
Im running a couple combos/synergies in here.
Braids, Cabal Minion,World Queller, Smokestack + Bitterblossom,Creakwood Liege,Awakening Zone
Also running Helm of Obedience Leyline of the Void. Easier to combo out than 'Lark combo
I have also included the Strip Mine Crucible of Worlds so its pretty cutthroat.
Any advice is greatly appreciated
My entomb targets are generally, Strip Mine,Life from the Loam,Reassembling Skeleton and Nether Traitor.
EDIT: I added my 1v1 list (using the MTGS Ban list). I may post it separately in the 1v1 forums later too.
Cut the Lark combo for Recurring Nightmare. Cause it opens up more card slots.
Had to remove two of my favorite artifacts- Sol Ring and Crucible of Worlds .
Added Biorhythm as a wincon.
Added more man lands as a wincon with a well timed Knight of the Reliquary. They aren't in the Multiplayer list because beating down with man lands becomes less viable against several players.
Also added some minor discard.
1 Acidic Slime
1 Sun Titan
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Bloodghast
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Creakwood Liege
1 Epochrasite
1 Eternal Witness
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Genesis
1 Hokori, Dust Drinker
1 Imperious Perfect
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Kokusho, the Evening Star
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Magus of the Abyss
1 Nath of the Gilt-Leaf
1 Nether Traitor
1 Sadistic Hypnotist
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Weathered Wayfarer
1 World Queller
1 Yavimaya Elder
1 All Suns' Dawn
1 Biorhythm
1 Cataclysm
1 Damnation
1 Death Cloud
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Eladamri's Call
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Life from the Loam
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Shred Memory
1 Sylvan Scrying
1 Thoughtseize
1 Mind Shatter
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Vindicate
1 Awakening Zone
1 Bitterblossom
1 Glare of Subdual
1 Luminarch Ascension
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Recurring Nightmare
1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Sylvan Library
Artifacts
1 Coalition Relic
1 Grim Monolith
1 Mana Vault
1 Phyrexian Totem
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Skullclamp
1 Smokestack
1 Winter Orb
Lands
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Brushland
1 Caves of Koilos
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Forbidding Watchtower
5 Forest
1 Godless Shrine
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kor Haven
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Marsh Flats
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Mistveil Plains
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Phyrexian Tower
4 Plains
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1 Springjack Pasture
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Strip Mine
4 Swamp
1 Temple Garden
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Wasteland
1 Windswept Heath
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
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Do you think that just the Bog is enough graveyard hate? Because Shred Memory was sorta pulling double duty.
I was considering running Vampiric Tutor in the multiplayer build to add some consistency. I was also thinking about Entomb. How do you feel about that. I have several cards that are still useful from the graveyard and maybe with the addition of Regrowth it could be a solid tutor.
I was also playing around with the idea of Nim Devourer and Grave-Shell Scarab. The Devourer because (I think) it can interact with stax effects so I dont have to sacrifice anything. And the Scarab for card advantage.
Thoughts?
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No it doesn't work that way. You can't replace a sacrifice effect with another sacrifice effect.
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I have made some serious changes to the list so that it (hopefully) functions a bit better in multiplayer.
I have cut the entirety of the 'Lark combo in favor of Leyline of the Void and Helm of Obedience. It opened up some slots in the deck and I always enjoy some additional GY hate.
During play testing, I noticed that a key problem with the deck was that a stax "lock" was not that effective if the other players had already accumulated a significant amount of card advantage. To solve this, I needed to find a way to level the playing field and as far as CA is concerned essentially restart the game. Unfortunately for me Balance and Limited Resources are both banned in multiplayer so I need to find alternatives. Balancing Act and Death Cloud are both acceptable alternatives, but I am trying to squeeze in some Armageddon effects as well. To accommodate this, I added more artifact mana (Ur-Golem's Eye,Darksteel Ingot, ect.) so that armageddon effects don't hurt me as badly.
I have been toying around with the idea of Entomb and I have found it quite useful for fetching Reassembling Skeleton andNether Traitor for Stax foder and Strip Mine and Life from the loam for a strip mine lock.
Also, opinions on Syphon Mind? I have been considering that and Persecute as possible targeted discard spells. I dont have much experience with either so any help would be appreciated.
1v1 updates still to come, but will likely be along the same lines.
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