Quote from stereosoundFyi crystal shards is only creature bounce
Edit: donating thought lash with unpaid upkeep exiles their library, the donate goes off giving it to them, then unpaid upkeep and they are the new controller even though they did not choose to pay. I use it as a deterrence more than griefing, its a good way to end games
Quote from BeraltI know there is not one single card that will address all of these issues, but I need to see a bit more survivability for poor ole Z.
Quote from luminum canI'd prefer the Mindcensor over Mindlock Orb so that both your search-hating effects only affect your opponents, and let you search for things yourself. Wild Research is far too powerful to ignore.
Quote from ilcapoCan you elaborate more on the Thought lash move...?
There are Lighting Greaves Champion's Helm and Clout of the Dominus to star off.
Also, you can use recursion to outlast them in resources...Like:
Karmic Guide Reveillark Cauldron Haze
Quote from bt67Not to hijack this thread but I have a question I need clarification on, if I Threaten or Act of Treason a creature then give it away to someone else will the original person lose the creature for good or do they get it back at the EOT, if this works do I get life and draw for the creature off Zedruu? Thanks.
Quote from stereosoundBest way to deal with hate is to 1. Slowroll it and 2. Run counterspells. You need to be reactive so that way they are not in control. If they are still hating you out, design the deck so it doesn't rely on zed. The thing is, zed himself isn't a threat so he shouldn't be hated on nearly as much.
What do you need to know about thought lash? Beginning of your upkeep choose not to pay with the effect on the stack donate it. They now own it, the cost wasn't paid so controller removes their library which is now then.
Quote from Beraltilcapo,
Actually Clout of the Dominus is another route I could go if I chose to go the enchantment route, seems to work well with Wild Research as mentioned above. Idyllic Tutor would fit well with Oblivion Ring, Prison Term, Journey to Nowhere, Propoganda and the Vows, then include Crystal Chimes and other recursion methods.
Quote from TankReady
This evil idea came up to me while going through my binder, and decided I wanted to share:
for us, would be the perfect mana fixer.
but also a terrible menace for others, as in cutting them out of their colors TOTALLY! Am I wrong? (rule 4 A deck may not generate mana outside its colours. If an effect would generate mana of an illegal colour, it generates colourless mana instead.)
If it works, its a really nasty threat, but it can stay on our field happily while illusion, transcendece and the others, are not really welcome "chez nous" either.
Unless, of course, they play white too, in which case, better stick it to our side :S
Quote from Wildfire393Seems like you lack wicked creatures to donate. Steel Golem, Grid Monitor, and Akron Legionnaire aren't as devastating to a player as donating them a Celestial Dawn, Transcendence, or Thought Lash, but they certainly can be fun things to trade.
Quote from KasreynThat IS truly nasty! Kudos... O_o;;; you scare me.
But: wouldn't the Celestial Dawn also turn their general (whether in play or not) white, and thus allow white mana as part of their general's color definition? Or is that pre-set at the start of the game based on the general's printed mana symbols?
Quote from Kasreyn
I'm trying to get my hands on a Cultural Exchange. No luck yet. I'm considering throwing in Rust Elemental, but then they could sac other donated things. Would also tend to eat a lot of mana rocks, and messing with people's mana draws serious hate. Also, Steel Golem worries me. If I make it and they, say, Trickbind the Donate and then kill Zedruu, I'm in big trouble - I can't recast her!! I don't like cards that, if I can't donate them immediately, I'm hosed. >_<