Quote from Killkeny »Scion was my first EDH, and my main combo was Niv-Mizzet + any Curiosity effect. It may not be so good in this one, but it can't hurt to mention it as an opportunity.
Quote from Narglfrob »Preordain should be in.
Quote from Narglfrob »Also the mana base for this deck is horrible.
1 Blood Crypt
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
1 Plateau (especially this one)
1 Volcanic Island
Quote from Narglfrob »Also Autumn Veil is much easier to cast than either Silence or Chant.
Lim-Dul's Vault/Fauna Shaman
Bridge from Below
City of Solitude
Quote from rageinuyasha »Keep in mind my suggestions are geared towards playing this deck in a mid-range game, maybe 2-4 players. Backup plans are lovely.
Quote from Sheldon »Paradox Engine is a more defensive card.
Quote from KhymeraMore suggestions are always welcome, but I'm also hoping to generate some meta-analysis of this deck as people start to pick it up and test it. There's more to discuss about this deck than the nitty-gritty card choices...even in a not-completely-optimized form, I think it legitimately constitutes a new pillar of the competitive 1v1 metagame. It's different enough from any other EDH deck that it could shake up the format considerably.
Quote from BadCompany0157Hey Lentini, would it be possible for you to post your list? It would be nice to have more lists to work off of; however, if you'd rather keep it a secret then thats fine too.
Quote from d0su »The games you've lost: How did you lose them? Was it to mana screw? Poor tutoring decisions? Opponent had all the right answers? I'm not asking for a full-on metagame analysis, but some insight as to the deck's vulnerabilities could be useful.
Quote from Narglfrob »What do you think of cutting Thought Courier for Vexing Shusher?
Quote from Narglfrob »Also considering we do not consume life as a part of our combo, I would think we would be able to get good value out of using Lim Duls Vault aggresivly.
Quote from Narglfrob »How aggressively do you mulligan for tutors, especially vs counterspell heavy decks. For instance, vs a counterspell + zur deck I drew the following hand, how would you mulligan?
Preordain, Vexing Shusher, Spell Pierce, Pact of Negation, 3 lands (assume colors are good to go)
Quote from Riley »This deck terrifies the crap out of me! As a Sisay player, I can tell you that I'm already thinking about how I can possibly counter this: I feel like I'll have to run both Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond and hope I can get Linvala in my hand early. Or start the game with Swords to Plowshares and hope it doesn't get countered/discarded. Hmm, I guess I'm at an advantage over a lot of decks running Stonecloaker, but holy crap. Even if no one in my playgroup even becomes aware of this deck's existence, I can't help but want to improve mine.. just in case. Peace of mind, I suppose.
The only suggestion I have is maybe run Inquisition of Kozilek instead of Duress, so you can hit Stonecloaker or something like it. The CMC restriction should be a non-issue, given that this deck has little reason to consider post-turn 4 plays.
Quote from destinytrigger »I may be missing something, but don't you need a second creature for Greaves to work with Illusionist?
Quote from Lentini »If you are wondering, I also run a deck similar to this. It kills with the aformentioned ooze/kiki-jiki/mogfanatic combo or revielark/bodydouble combo. The nice part about running the lark combo is that it can be cast with horde of notions, making your general more useful (and freeing up that dragon tyrant slot).
Quote from Killkeny » I think Sylvan Tutor deserves a slot. Also, what do you think of Unearth? Seems like a decent addition to me, it can bring back most of your creatures, and you can cycle it, if not of use. Maybe for Aven Mindcensor and Quite Speculation...
Quote from destinytrigger »Unless I miscounted, there are only 98 cards in that decklist. I checked twice.
Quote from destinytrigger »I was also wondering where a couple of those cards even get used. For example, Deep Analysis costs too much to typically want to hardcast unless you're completely out of options, and its only use post-combo (as far as I can tell) is with Krosan Reclamation, and that already costs 4+ mana and leaves you again with an empty library.
Quote from Thoughtcast »I put the list into MWS and have been goldfishing heavily. It is absolutely insane how this deck consistantly goldfishes a win by turn 4-5 (And it always seems to have a million answers ready.)
I'm curious if Frantic Search has been considered? I've found on occasion that I draw dread return/anger/etc and I need a way to quickly bin it. Thought Courier works, but unless you're reanimating it it doesn't have haste and that turn slowdown can hurt. However search gives you a spell to tutor for that isn't a creature, allows you to discard cards you need to get rid of while drawing more fuel/protection and doesn't set you back on mana.