Tantarus: It didn't make the gaka greifer level, so it should be fine
Quote from Dalamar_85LftL is actually banned in the french banlist: otherwise it would be great.
Quote from benettfreemanI'm not so good yet at looking at deck lists and 'seeing' how the deck plays out, so forgive my ignorance. I was just wondering what this deck typically does in the first few turns while it's trying to tutor up its wincon?
Quote from bobthefunnyGentlemen... I have a confession. My name is not Bob either.
Also, my humor has been called into question at times.
Quote from Ted ElderhiI was waiting for someone to make an oath deck. Do you think you have enough counter spells?
Quote from Ted ElderhiEmrakul, the Aeons Torn is unbanned now, will you consider it for a slot?
Quote from GakaYes. Emrakul is finding a spot.
Quote from ToSGodDwhats?! Really? Adding Emrakul to EDH deck now... May I ask why they did this?
Quote from GakaTo be honest, Emrakul isn't that great in 1v1. The only decks that can really take advantage of it are Jhoira, Azusa, and oath lists, everywhere else it's just meh.
I'm testing the following changes:
- Massacre Wurm
- Karn Liberated
+ Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
+ Show and Tell
Quote from Gakahttp://duelcommander.com/last-banlist-changes/
This is where you want to go.
As for multiplayer, I've yet to try to bring this to a multiplayer game. I think I would either crush everyone or die horribly, without actually trying I couldn't tell you.
In 1v1, there is almost no grave hate except for Scavenging Ooze and the occasional Bojuka Bog. I think this deck runs the most virtual grave-hate of any, and only because they do something else (one tutors, one cantrips)
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First, the cards in your list.
Cryptic Command - This card is really good. But in three colors in a “wedge” combination, isn’t it hard to get your three blue mana ?
Echoing Truth - How often is this ability relevant (cards with same name) ? Wouldn’t it be better to play Repeal ? Most permanents don’t cost more than three mana.
Evasive Action - This is just a bad Mana Leak. Isn’t it better to play Remand or Condescend ?
Merchant Scroll - This tutor basically searches either for Force of Will, either for Fact or Fiction. Is it so good in this deck ?
Jace Beleren - Isn’t it better to play Phyrexian Arena ? Jace is easier to remove and forces you to give a card to your opponent once every three turns. Plus, having Jace in play prevents you from playing your own Jace. In a metagame where green decks dominate, I guess you rarely drop a Jace Beleren on turn three.
Acadely Ruins - The best you can do with it is retrieving Oblivion Stone. How many times did you do such a play ? Is it worth playing this colorless lands ? Did it make you win more games than it has made you lose some ?
Minamo, School at Water’s Edge - You have no legendary creatures in your deck, and your commander has no activated ability. Of course Damia can still attack, but if she attacks, that means she stayed in play a full turn. If she did, that means you refilled your hand like hell. And if you did, I just imagine your opponent will die in an horrible way, whether or not you have Minamo. Considering that, is it worth running that nonbasic land ?
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Second, cards I think might be included here.
Impulse - An instant super-Preordain looks like a great thing in this deck.
Forbidden Alchemy - A bit slower, but still nice because of Flashback, which might happen as you generate a decent amount of mana.
Compulsive Research / Thirst for Knowledge / Careful Study / Frantic Search / Careful Consideration / Cephalid Coliseum : Do you plan to play any of those ? What do you do if you are stuck early game with a Rune-Scarred Demon in hand ? Of course you play Brainstorm but, well, it’s only one card.
Homeward Path - I guess you don't like when someone casts Treachery on your Damia. Ad what about Bribery on Blightsteel Colossus ? Speaking of which...
Bribery - This card is bad in Wydwen-like decks, but you are playing some ramp, and Bribery has the potential to win games all by itself. What about punishing those who abuse the Loyal Retainers / Iona, Shield of Emeria combo ?
Snuff Out - Considering most of the decks to beat don’t play black (except Doran), isn’t the risk of meeting Iname lesser than the rewards of beating high tempo decks like Edric ?
Vedalken Shackles - Most of the commanders don’t have more than 2 in power : Edric, Zur, Augustin, Jhoira, Nin, Doran, Rhys, Sisay, etc. Shackles can totally return some games to your advantage, in many situations.
Tooth and Nail - What about an additional win condition ? Resolving it should mostly lead to a win (Blightsteel Colossus + Rune-Scarred Demon which searches for Force of Will), sure it is expensive but maybe you might allow yourself such a powerful late game spell. Basically it just wins the game.
Lightning greaves - Having Damia stay alive the turn she comes into play is, I guess, the main problem with her. What about getting her Shroud ? Plus, having an instant kill with Blightsteel Colossus looks great.
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I searched Gatherer for better creatures, and I didn’t find any : congratulations for your Oath targets, I guess there is no better choice than these three. Board control, tutor and win condition, all of these are great. Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur cannot do better than Rune-Scarred Demon (costing three more is a lot), and Avenger of Zendikar is weak if it pops early game via Oath of Druids (plus, it allows opponents to oath in return).
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Third, about another option.
Rather than suggesting a bunch of cards, I write this down as a slightly different approach for this deck. What about playing Grim Monolith, Basalt Monolith and Coalition Relic ? A turn two or three Monolith can give you the opportunity of playing your fatties without having to ramp many lands. I guess a turn four Damia can easily seal a game : if I understand well how this deck works, once you untap with Damia you basically have won, as Damia draws enough cards to protect herself.
I know where the problem comes from : with Engineered Explosives and pernicious Deed you are reluctant to play artifact ramp. But, is Engineered Explosives so strong ? How often do you make a two-for-one ? When you effectively do, I guess it did cost you five mana, which is quite expensive.
A single Grim Monolith or Basalt Monolith is just one card in your hand and should probably generate a lot of tempo advantage. You can even use it to cast Fact or Fiction while having mana in backup, or to land a turn four Karn Liberated (THAT is a good turn four, my dear !). I imagine that a turn three Massacre Wurm against Edric should make him want to cry. I find the reward of playing those cards really high in this particular deck.
Of course, these were just questions, you know this deck better than I do. I am just sharing some thoughts about it because I love the way it is done. By the way, I think I’ll try it on Cockatrice.
Quote from HTimeYou say you play 4 enchantments but you only list 3.
Your list also seems to be one card short.
Quote from EmetherA few more thoughts about the deck after having tested it a bit more.
Against Edric it remains a bit hard. When Edric is on the play, he can be really fast and start drawing like hell. A few removals might be considered :
- Innocent's Blood
- Night of Soul's Betrayal
- Wretched Banquet
And one card might be considered : Skeletal Scrying. It's a very efficient card drawer.
Quote from LemonbusterDrop of Honey for edric maybe? Seems on theme.
Quote from proxythreadlolAre you sure oath alone justifies cutting all the insanely good creatures that are poor to drill into? Notably Primeval titan, eternal witness, shadowmage infiltrator, gilded drake, snapcaster, phantasmal image etc etc?
Like the way I see it, if your main wincon is to slap a blightsteel on the board in a meta full of bounce spells (notably edric), isnt just better to play various threats to force the removals out and then play a smaller, but big enough threat once they dont have any answers?