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Quote from FetalTadpole »How can any fair deck possibly out-resource the Yarok player? Panharmonicon out of the command zone is oppressive and unfair. Thoughts?
Quote from FetalTadpole »If you get an ETB, they get FOUR with Faerie Artisans.
Quote from FetalTadpole »I play nine different decks and all of them have problems with Yarok. For example I have a Saffi Eriksdotter combo deck full of spot removal but I can't run the anti-ETB cards because I depend on ETBs myself. It's easy to say "Oh just run answers" when for 4 mana (Venser) the Yarok player can repeatedly answer your answers. Eventually the Yarok player gets out Panharmonicon so that's two things that demand an answer, in a deck that runs blue packed with counterspells. Yeah the Yarok player has two or three opponents, but they get two or three turns for each turn their opponents get. It focuses the game to be entirely about keeping Yarok off the field. Last I checked that's ban criteria.
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Quote from FetalTadpole »The Yarok player functionally gets two turns for each turn their opponents get.
Quote from FetalTadpole »Panharmonicon out of the command zone is oppressive and unfair.
Quote from FetalTadpole »Had another Yarok game yesterday and it was miserable. Nobody had removal the instant the Yarok player cast his commander, so he proceeded to ramp for free with Lotus Cobra, making it pointless to kill Yarok as he had so much mana it wouldn't even matter if he had to cast it again. I eventually scooped in frustration and left the store. I was playing Surrak Dragonclaw all creatures, so no way to deal with Yarok without giving him four ETB triggers. Another player was playing Simic, no board wipes there, even if he overloaded Cyclonic Rift the Yarok player had so much mana he'd just recast his hand giving him even more value with the double ETBs. The Yarok player takes two turns for every turn their opponents get, Yarok doubles every card in the deck. I have a personal vendetta against Yarok now, and will go after anyone playing him until one of us is dead or he is banned.
Quote from FetalTadpole »Had another Yarok game yesterday and it was miserable. Nobody had removal the instant the Yarok player cast his commander, so he proceeded to ramp for free with Lotus Cobra, making it pointless to kill Yarok as he had so much mana it wouldn't even matter if he had to cast it again.
Quote from FetalTadpole »I was playing Surrak Dragonclaw all creatures, so no way to deal with Yarok without giving him four ETB triggers.
Quote from FetalTadpole »The Yarok player takes two turns for every turn their opponents get
Quote from Lithl »Quote from FetalTadpole »Had another Yarok game yesterday and it was miserable. Nobody had removal the instant the Yarok player cast his commander, so he proceeded to ramp for free with Lotus Cobra, making it pointless to kill Yarok as he had so much mana it wouldn't even matter if he had to cast it again.You seem to misunderstand how Lotus Cobra works. When a land enters under the Cobra player's control, that player adds a mana to their mana pool (two mana, in the case of Yarok). Mana in your mana pool empties at the end of each step and each phase of each turn. As soon as the Yarok player moves to the next part of their turn, any mana they got from the Cobra that they didn't already use ceases to exist. Lands produce mana (generally). Mana is not lands. Quote from FetalTadpole »I was playing Surrak Dragonclaw all creatures, so no way to deal with Yarok without giving him four ETB triggers.What? Yarok only doubles triggers, and only the triggers of permanents he controls. For most boardstates, you playing a creature won't give the Yarok player anything. Quote from FetalTadpole »The Yarok player takes two turns for every turn their opponents getOnce again, that's not how Yarok works.
Quote from FetalTadpole »How can any fair deck possibly out-resource the Yarok player?