Should The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale be banned in EDH - Multiple Choice
Quote from Impossible »Yes, yes not "free". You know what I meant.
But how is it not stopping them? If they're beating you with creatures that means they're spending their mana to keep their creatures around, which has to be good for you.
Quote from DirkGently »I guess it's meta dependent - if you're never the target and/or your opponents tend to keep full grips while you empty yours, then I suppose it seems good. I'd say it's less a draw 7 and more a draw x-y, where x is the average cards in your opponents hands and y is the cards in your hand. So if they had an average 10 card hand while you had 3, then sure, it's insane. 10-3 = 7. If you and your opponents all had 3-4 cards in hand, though, then you've basically accomplished nothing.
Personally I'm usually a control player and I usually have a full-ish grip. My opponents are usually idiots and usually don't. And while I'm not always the target, I'd say I'm the target more often than average, so any extra gas I give them is very possibly coming directly in my face.
So, timetwister sits in a box mostly.
Quote from PhroX »The reason Timetwister doesn't go into every blue deck is because the vast majority of people playing blue decks can't afford it. I struggle to think of many decks that could run it where Timetwister isn't in the best 99 cards you could put in there.
And the other two blue P9 cards are even better. Time Walk is so much stronger than Time Warp. The difference between 2 mana and 5 is incredible. I can't think of any reason not to put Walk in a deck - worst case, from turn two onwards, it basically reads "0: Draw a card, you may play an extra land this turn". Which is insanely powerful in of itself. Then look at what you can actually do with a extra turn that takes a mere two mana to cast....
Quote from Wizmin » According to the EDH rules committee, the Power 9 is banned because of how inaccessible the cards are to almost everyone. If you look today at the price of Tabernacle, it currently exceeds the prices of every Power 9 card with the exception of [card]Black Lotus.
Quote from Pokken »If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
Quote from MRHblue »Quote from Wizmin » According to the EDH rules committee, the Power 9 is banned because of how inaccessible the cards are to almost everyone. If you look today at the price of Tabernacle, it currently exceeds the prices of every Power 9 card with the exception of [card]Black Lotus.Thats a pretty bad misrepresentation of what 'Barrier to Entry' means. Ubiquity is also part of the rule, like everyone would play Lotus, but Tabernacle is pretty niche. You dont need it to compete, but Moxes you would.