Sheldon, is there a way you could get some testing time with something a little more offbeat, like a Bant or Naya deck? Just based on my playstlye and experience with BUG and Junk decks Hulk is broken in them even when you try not to, because the surrounding value in those decks just makes good decks that much better. I feel that really putting Hulk to the test outside the norm is going to give a better idea of "broken without trying" as opposed to confirming what we already know. (And I apologize if I'm making deck assumptions which aren't correct.)
Edit: Just remembered, your draft deck is Roon blink, isn't it?
Yeah, it's Roon blink (although I played it the last few games with Derevi, just to see what would happen (tune into SCG tomorrow to find out). The three green players are Bant (me), Abzan (Keith), and Temur (Todd). It's weird to think that Keith might be the least well-positioned to abuse it given the colors, but that's how the particular deck happens to be built.
Yeah, it's Roon blink (although I played it the last few games with Derevi, just to see what would happen (tune into SCG tomorrow to find out). The three green players are Bant (me), Abzan (Keith), and Temur (Todd). It's weird to think that Keith might be the least well-positioned to abuse it given the colors, but that's how the particular deck happens to be built.
Ok cool. Any testing is better than no testing, after all. I'm not going to let my own setback deter me, so I'll keep playing it during side games if possible. Actually, I've never actually built a Mayael deck so I might try that instead, because like I said, a bug reanimation deck is only going to prove what we know already.
I was going to say, those Commanders you listed sound pretty safe. Temur can also be rather safe, due to the lower amount of in-built recursion, though I'd be careful of Riku and Clones. Even so though, I'd expect a new Riku player to slot Hulk in without giving it much thought, as just a good value creature to play.
I'll see if the Monday Night Gamers are okay with me slipping into my draft deck--or better yet, one of the other green players, since I'm the one with Reveillark, Karmic Guide, and Saffi (and a bunch of Clones). If my deck demonstrates it's broken, then we really haven't done much.
I'll see if I can't talk my playgroup into testing it. There really aren't that many green decks, so it would probably just be me running it, but even if I added a suite of sac outlets to each deck, Meren's probably the only one who can really get any milage out of it (Xenagos can get cute, but nothing busted, and Marath and Elves are a lot more limited in what they can grab).
Sheldon, is there a way you could get some testing time with something a little more offbeat, like a Bant or Naya deck? Just based on my playstlye and experience with BUG and Junk decks Hulk is broken in them even when you try not to, because the surrounding value in those decks just makes good decks that much better. I feel that really putting Hulk to the test outside the norm is going to give a better idea of "broken without trying" as opposed to confirming what we already know. (And I apologize if I'm making deck assumptions which aren't correct.)
Edit: Just remembered, your draft deck is Roon blink, isn't it?
This is why I'm testing it in Derevi Goodstuff. I've made two alterations to slot it in properly - added another 8-drop to pod into and removed two other small-impact cards, so let's see how it does.
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Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
So, I haven't chimed in with how my test went on my game night yet, because it didn't really happen much.
I pitched the idea for fun, and a few people decided to join in, but sadly, I wasn't in that game. One person put it in his Palladia deck (possibly the least broken option ever, as the deck has no recursion, no sac outlets, and it'll essentially just pull out a mana dork and a fatty), and the other put it in his Kaseto deck, the third player opted to not run one, but was fine to play against it. The vague highlights I heard was that Palladia managed to cast it, then it died in a board wipe and got a Dragonmaster Outcast and a Xenagos, God of Revels, allowing him no downtime for the raw beats. Not sure who won.
My games took overlong, so I didn't manage to join in any PHulk games at the store, so I move to applebees after the store closed with two other players to try again. I ran my Karador deck, where it should (theoretically) be disgusting (though I think I removed any infinite that would work with him), though perhaps not much different from Ranger of Eos. The Palladia player joined us, and the third person borrowed my Roon deck (Where PHulk should be value, but not broken, although there is recursion, but no infinite). Sadly, PHulk still didn't show in this game. I only drew him the turn before I died, though part of that was due to my own Roon deck absolutely murdering me with a Reclamation Sage and a Scavenging Ooze. And then with a double tec-edge hit on my Grim Backwoods and vesuva'd copy. It was... not nice. Thankfully, Roon petered out without card draw, though unfortunately Palladia then took the win with a Tooth and Nail for Atarka and Xenagos, god man (though we messed up some rules, so technically not... As I had him on a Sporefrog lock, collaborating with Roon to not exile it to keep us alive). The takeaway here (minor) is that he could have T&N'd for PHulk and didn't, but seeing as PHulk is a set up card, and he was already set up, as well as the general low value of PHulk in his deck, I don't think it means much.
So, I haven't chimed in with how my test went on my game night yet, because it didn't really happen much.
I pitched the idea for fun, and a few people decided to join in, but sadly, I wasn't in that game. One person put it in his Palladia deck (possibly the least broken option ever, as the deck has no recursion, no sac outlets, and it'll essentially just pull out a mana dork and a fatty), and the other put it in his Kaseto deck, the third player opted to not run one, but was fine to play against it. The vague highlights I heard was that Palladia managed to cast it, then it died in a board wipe and got a Dragonmaster Outcast and a Xenagos, God of Revels, allowing him no downtime for the raw beats. Not sure who won.
My games took overlong, so I didn't manage to join in any PHulk games at the store, so I move to applebees after the store closed with two other players to try again. I ran my Karador deck, where it should (theoretically) be disgusting (though I think I removed any infinite that would work with him), though perhaps not much different from Ranger of Eos. The Palladia player joined us, and the third person borrowed my Roon deck (Where PHulk should be value, but not broken, although there is recursion, but no infinite). Sadly, PHulk still didn't show in this game. I only drew him the turn before I died, though part of that was due to my own Roon deck absolutely murdering me with a Reclamation Sage and a Scavenging Ooze. And then with a double tec-edge hit on my Grim Backwoods and vesuva'd copy. It was... not nice. Thankfully, Roon petered out without card draw, though unfortunately Palladia then took the win with a Tooth and Nail for Atarka and Xenagos, god man (though we messed up some rules, so technically not... As I had him on a Sporefrog lock, collaborating with Roon to not exile it to keep us alive). The takeaway here (minor) is that he could have T&N'd for PHulk and didn't, but seeing as PHulk is a set up card, and he was already set up, as well as the general low value of PHulk in his deck, I don't think it means much.
I'll see if I can do it again.
You're doing it wrong. My playgroup goes to Denny's after the store closes. It's much more balanced.
I think PHulk will have the least impact in Abzan decks because they already have comparable alternatives. It might be good in Jund or Golgari. I have all 3 of those decks (Karador, Sek'Kuar, and Gitrog) and I still don't think I'd run him over T&N (although I don't run that, either).
You're doing it wrong. My playgroup goes to Denny's after the store closes. It's much more balanced.
I think PHulk will have the least impact in Abzan decks because they already have comparable alternatives. It might be good in Jund or Golgari. I have all 3 of those decks (Karador, Sek'Kuar, and Gitrog) and I still don't think I'd run him over T&N (although I don't run that, either).
If anything, wouldn't it just add redundancy to doing what you're already doing anyway?
You're doing it wrong. My playgroup goes to Denny's after the store closes. It's much more balanced.
I think PHulk will have the least impact in Abzan decks because they already have comparable alternatives. It might be good in Jund or Golgari. I have all 3 of those decks (Karador, Sek'Kuar, and Gitrog) and I still don't think I'd run him over T&N (although I don't run that, either).
If anything, wouldn't it just add redundancy to doing what you're already doing anyway?
In Karador, yes. Although I don't run Boonweaver Giant in that deck, either. Sek'Kuar is probably the best candidate for it, but I'm only running 4 7+ drops in that deck and the only one that I'd say is cutable is Hellkite Overlord, but a) it's a giant freaking dragon so I like it and b) it acts as a backup plan to the sac/value strategy. But yeah, I'm sure if I shifted things around I would be able to make sufficient space for PHulk, but as far the the "just slot it in" idea goes I am uninterested in the card.
My main point here is that I don't think it's as bad as its detractors claim.
I'm building a Mayael deck for league next week, and I plan on making it so between games I can swap out Hulk for something random. I haven't finished, but I really want to try and capture the essence of EDH in the deck, splashy cards that can tip the scales, low tutoring to increase variance, and a couple of different themes to lessen the streamlined approach to deck building.
Got two games in with the Hulk in my deck. The first game it didn't appear and the second game it got swept away by a Terminus right after hitting the field which was more or less aimed at holding down the army of Goblins that Wort, Boggart Auntie was throwing onto the field (Dakkon Blackblade had top'd the card to the top of his deck.) and Hulk was considered a happy little bonus. So yeah, no real results yet.
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Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
So far the tests have done nothing but confirm my suspicions. Only once did I get a huge amount of value out of it - I podded the Hulk into Avacyn while Hulk's effect got me Prime Speaker Zegana, which made for a nice combo and set up a win pretty well, though I was already in a good position. I also got to pod it into Avacyn once and grabbed Karmic Guide with it to rez Luminate Primordial to deal with some problematic creatures, but I couldn't stop the onslaught of the Mayael player in the end so I ended up losing that game. Aside from that, Hulk did not appear next to Pod so I had to rely on it dying naturally (Like I said; I did not alter the deck around Hulk) and the few times it did I got decent value out of it but nothing that really changed the flow of the game, and nobody seemed to be in too much a hurry to exile it either - it got hit by an Utter End once and that's it.
So yeah, still not seeing it.
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Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Well, I can't really claim it breaks my group either because I'm the only one that even bothers with it and I just get green utility dorks with it most of the time.
Yeah the test has really produced nothing new to me. Hulk, in the games where it ended up, consistently proved to be good, but I never saw anyone scrambling to copy/steal/reanimate it, there was almost always something much better around that actually had a direct impact on the game. (From Primordials to Seedborns to even Phyrexian Ingester to have some spot removal for a real threat.) My opinion has not changed in the slightest: Unban Hulk.
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Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Yeah the test has really produced nothing new to me. Hulk, in the games where it ended up, consistently proved to be good, but I never saw anyone scrambling to copy/steal/reanimate it, there was almost always something much better around that actually had a direct impact on the game. (From Primordials to Seedborns to even Phyrexian Ingester to have some spot removal for a real threat.) My opinion has not changed in the slightest: Unban Hulk.
Somewhat seconded here - there are only a couple of fairly broken creature combos that are enabled by this card, but said combos can still go off utilizing the likes of Tooth and Nail, which is not banned. I'd be interested in seeing the unbanning of Hulk just to really see if the format would get suddenly swarmed with unfair plays.
That being said, is there an apprehension in the RC to unban something after what occurred with Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary? I am just curious what the threshold to unban something is now - majority vote or something like 2/3?
[quote from="LouCypher »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/commander-rules-discussion-forum/704778-protean-hulk?comment=91"]That being said, is there an apprehension in the RC to unban something after what occurred with Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary? I am just curious what the threshold to unban something is now - majority vote or something like 2/3?
I seem to recall Sheldon saying that the decisions made by the RC are unanimous. Don't quote me on that. Unless you want to.
On topic: Is it accurate to say that the testing results, so far, support just taking Hulk at face value?
I seem to recall Sheldon saying that the decisions made by the RC are unanimous. Don't quote me on that. Unless you want to.
On topic: Is it accurate to say that the testing results, so far, support just taking Hulk at face value?
My tests have been decent mostly because no one packs the infinite combo loop with him. It's been more of a power grab to get utility dudes online to fuel some other broken combo.
I seem to recall Sheldon saying that the decisions made by the RC are unanimous. Don't quote me on that. Unless you want to.
On topic: Is it accurate to say that the testing results, so far, support just taking Hulk at face value?
My tests have been decent mostly because no one packs the infinite combo loop with him. It's been more of a power grab to get utility dudes online to fuel some other broken combo.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I seem to recall Sheldon saying that the decisions made by the RC are unanimous. Don't quote me on that. Unless you want to.
On topic: Is it accurate to say that the testing results, so far, support just taking Hulk at face value?
My tests have been decent mostly because no one packs the infinite combo loop with him. It's been more of a power grab to get utility dudes online to fuel some other broken combo.
We're currently letting the Abzan player run Protean Hulk in his deck in our Rotisserie Draft League. I'll make mention of the details in my article next week, but I'll tell you it's seen play three times so far and at least one player has copied it each time.
And btw, RC decisions are not always unanimous. There is plenty of room for a dissenting opinion to take place, but we don't discuss publicly that dissent (we're not the Supreme Court). We have thresholds, so any change has to be strongly-enough supported, but we don't wait until something is 5-0 in order to make a decision (although 5-0 decisions are frequent).
We're currently letting the Abzan player run Protean Hulk in his deck in our Rotisserie Draft League. I'll make mention of the details in my article next week, but I'll tell you it's seen play three times so far and at least one player has copied it each time.
Was this a net negative impact on the game, or do we have to wait until Thursday?
And btw, RC decisions are not always unanimous. There is plenty of room for a dissenting opinion to take place, but we don't discuss publicly that dissent (we're not the Supreme Court). We have thresholds, so any change has to be strongly-enough supported, but we don't wait until something is 5-0 in order to make a decision (although 5-0 decisions are frequent).
That's why you need hire someone that wants to unban the same cards you want unbanned. #FreeRecurringNightmare
We're currently letting the Abzan player run Protean Hulk in his deck in our Rotisserie Draft League. I'll make mention of the details in my article next week, but I'll tell you it's seen play three times so far and at least one player has copied it each time.
And btw, RC decisions are not always unanimous. There is plenty of room for a dissenting opinion to take place, but we don't discuss publicly that dissent (we're not the Supreme Court). We have thresholds, so any change has to be strongly-enough supported, but we don't wait until something is 5-0 in order to make a decision (although 5-0 decisions are frequent).
The "clone every time" is interesting, but what's more interesting is this: What were the other cloneable options that were on the field at that time?
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
We're currently letting the Abzan player run Protean Hulk in his deck in our Rotisserie Draft League. I'll make mention of the details in my article next week, but I'll tell you it's seen play three times so far and at least one player has copied it each time.
And btw, RC decisions are not always unanimous. There is plenty of room for a dissenting opinion to take place, but we don't discuss publicly that dissent (we're not the Supreme Court). We have thresholds, so any change has to be strongly-enough supported, but we don't wait until something is 5-0 in order to make a decision (although 5-0 decisions are frequent).
The "clone every time" is interesting, but what's more interesting is this: What were the other cloneable options that were on the field at that time?
There were a few very good ones (I'll have to double-check my notes), but what I think drove everyone was being able to better recover the inevitable Wrath effect (me knowing that I had Planar Cleansing in hand and would need to play it directed my choice).
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Edit: Just remembered, your draft deck is Roon blink, isn't it?
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Ok cool. Any testing is better than no testing, after all. I'm not going to let my own setback deter me, so I'll keep playing it during side games if possible. Actually, I've never actually built a Mayael deck so I might try that instead, because like I said, a bug reanimation deck is only going to prove what we know already.
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This is why I'm testing it in Derevi Goodstuff. I've made two alterations to slot it in properly - added another 8-drop to pod into and removed two other small-impact cards, so let's see how it does.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I pitched the idea for fun, and a few people decided to join in, but sadly, I wasn't in that game. One person put it in his Palladia deck (possibly the least broken option ever, as the deck has no recursion, no sac outlets, and it'll essentially just pull out a mana dork and a fatty), and the other put it in his Kaseto deck, the third player opted to not run one, but was fine to play against it. The vague highlights I heard was that Palladia managed to cast it, then it died in a board wipe and got a Dragonmaster Outcast and a Xenagos, God of Revels, allowing him no downtime for the raw beats. Not sure who won.
My games took overlong, so I didn't manage to join in any PHulk games at the store, so I move to applebees after the store closed with two other players to try again. I ran my Karador deck, where it should (theoretically) be disgusting (though I think I removed any infinite that would work with him), though perhaps not much different from Ranger of Eos. The Palladia player joined us, and the third person borrowed my Roon deck (Where PHulk should be value, but not broken, although there is recursion, but no infinite). Sadly, PHulk still didn't show in this game. I only drew him the turn before I died, though part of that was due to my own Roon deck absolutely murdering me with a Reclamation Sage and a Scavenging Ooze. And then with a double tec-edge hit on my Grim Backwoods and vesuva'd copy. It was... not nice. Thankfully, Roon petered out without card draw, though unfortunately Palladia then took the win with a Tooth and Nail for Atarka and Xenagos, god man (though we messed up some rules, so technically not... As I had him on a Sporefrog lock, collaborating with Roon to not exile it to keep us alive). The takeaway here (minor) is that he could have T&N'd for PHulk and didn't, but seeing as PHulk is a set up card, and he was already set up, as well as the general low value of PHulk in his deck, I don't think it means much.
I'll see if I can do it again.
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You're doing it wrong. My playgroup goes to Denny's after the store closes. It's much more balanced.
I think PHulk will have the least impact in Abzan decks because they already have comparable alternatives. It might be good in Jund or Golgari. I have all 3 of those decks (Karador, Sek'Kuar, and Gitrog) and I still don't think I'd run him over T&N (although I don't run that, either).
If anything, wouldn't it just add redundancy to doing what you're already doing anyway?
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In Karador, yes. Although I don't run Boonweaver Giant in that deck, either. Sek'Kuar is probably the best candidate for it, but I'm only running 4 7+ drops in that deck and the only one that I'd say is cutable is Hellkite Overlord, but a) it's a giant freaking dragon so I like it and b) it acts as a backup plan to the sac/value strategy. But yeah, I'm sure if I shifted things around I would be able to make sufficient space for PHulk, but as far the the "just slot it in" idea goes I am uninterested in the card.
My main point here is that I don't think it's as bad as its detractors claim.
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
So yeah, still not seeing it.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
That being said, is there an apprehension in the RC to unban something after what occurred with Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary? I am just curious what the threshold to unban something is now - majority vote or something like 2/3?
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That, and we all know infinite loops aren't a reason to ban a card these days. (See: Palinchron) Yes, it's good value. Yes, it'd be one of the best 7 drops for Green decks. But even there it faces stiff competition on various competitive-levels from Avenger of Zendikar, Bane of Bala Ged, Giant Adephage, Hornet Queen, Moldgraf Monstrosity, Platinum Angel, Regal Force, Tornado Elemental and World Breaker. All of those are cards worth considering in various decks, and Hulk isn't a slam-dunk over any of those. Add more colours and you get more powerful drops in that area as well.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
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And btw, RC decisions are not always unanimous. There is plenty of room for a dissenting opinion to take place, but we don't discuss publicly that dissent (we're not the Supreme Court). We have thresholds, so any change has to be strongly-enough supported, but we don't wait until something is 5-0 in order to make a decision (although 5-0 decisions are frequent).
Was this a net negative impact on the game, or do we have to wait until Thursday?
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The "clone every time" is interesting, but what's more interesting is this: What were the other cloneable options that were on the field at that time?
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
There were a few very good ones (I'll have to double-check my notes), but what I think drove everyone was being able to better recover the inevitable Wrath effect (me knowing that I had Planar Cleansing in hand and would need to play it directed my choice).