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Quote from RedGauntlet »I'm curious in how Painter will be used in a fair way, the card is very unique
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It's been over 37 months since I started the SCD for Iona and 34 months since we all basically exhausted every argument regarding the card in one of the longer threads in this subforum. Even before I started the thread I sort of resigned myself to fate that because it wasn't played as much and even when it was played it doesn't always create the feel-bad/inverse archenemy scenario, so I only had the point that the scenario itself was bad enough as an experience that the other scenarios aren't exactly saving graces, especially for a card not really played to be a saving grace anyway.
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Ugin, the Spirit Dragon: Sure, it will leave artifacts and Eldrazi, and sure, it will hit only stuff below a certain converted mana cost, so it's not a complete World Slayer, but it's close enough. I've said before that it probably provided the final nail in the coffin making sure that Painter's Servant never comes off the banned list. I have no reason to move off that stance.
PS is a card where most of the benign interactions are griefy and the less benign ones really suck. The number of OK interactions that aren't basically irrelevant is teeny and nobody can claim with a straight face that those are the ones that'll be used. Sounds like a totally awesome card to have in casual play.
Painter's Servant is banned, and should stay banned, because almost every purpose it can serve reduces interaction between players and/or removes lines of play as options. Painter's Servant almost always moves the game into a more linear, forced state, taking away from "Player A beat Player B" while building on "Player A's deck beat Player B's deck." Building a Painter's Servant deck is way more fun than playing with the card in a game.
Painter's Servant is definitely my least-favourite card to talk about, since the factors that keep it banned are rarely addressed directly by the people who want to play with it. Please note that power level, as always, isn't all that relevant to this issue.
We feel as though there are now more weird and fun uses for the card than there are dangerous ones.
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Quote from Hermes_ »What insight can you give that changed the stance of what looks like everyone on the RC given the following (many quotes)?
Quote from JqlGirl »Quote from Hermes_ »What insight can you give that changed the stance of what looks like everyone on the RC given the following (many quotes)?
There has been strong and virtually unanimous support among CAG members for unbanning this card since the inception of the group.
I can only speak for myself and not for the rest of the RC/CAG, but my own personal reasons for wanting Painter's Servant unbanned are because I felt that it was unfairly banned because it was a strong enabler rather than the dangerous part of any potential combo. No other cards are banned for this reason, so it was out of place on the ban list. While I understand the past concerns of the RC, I feel like the format has changed to be much more interactive in the past few years, with a ton more quality options for removal and counterspells and the like to fight combos. Additionally, short of Tooth & Nail into Iona and Painter, there's no truly busted interaction with the card that can't be better replicated cheaper and with fewer cards in other ways. Additionally, Painter's Servant is such a unique card that it opens up a ton of space for casual brewers to really figure out interesting interactions for the card. The revision to the format's philosophy document also opened up more space to set it free.
Quote from JqlGirl »but my own personal reasons for wanting Painter's Servant unbanned are because I felt that it was unfairly banned because it was a strong enabler rather than the dangerous part of any potential combo. No other cards are banned for this reason, so it was out of place on the ban list.
Quote from papa_funk »What JqlGirl said. Card has always been borderline and the CAG convinced us that the Johnny opportunities outweighed the potential downsides.
I'd say that of the three, this is the one we're most nervous about, but I'm excited to see where it goes.
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