Quote from Narvuntien »It worked though... *points at the popularity of the format*
Quote from Macabre »Idk about their involvement helping the formats popularity.
Quote from Melkor »I only follow Shivam on Twitter, i don't know how the rest of them feel about stuff, but I definitely don't think that the health of the format can be attributed to someone who given his own way would ban ALL planeswalkers and Sol Ring. A lot of the banned stuff would just naturally be discouraged, and he seems to have a lot of disdain for the Commander specific cards that do such a good job of getting new people to join. there could be some room in between, but I don't think the RC is any better for this format than the Pro Tour was for Modern as far as choices with them in mind.
Quote from Cranky »A lot of people conflate the format's success with the RC's involvement, which is an understandable logical leap, but there's really no evidence of such. If anything, the format is popular because of WotC's involvement, as there have been incredibly sharp jumps after every Commander set release.
Quote from ilovesaprolings »Quote from Cranky »A lot of people conflate the format's success with the RC's involvement, which is an understandable logical leap, but there's really no evidence of such. If anything, the format is popular because of WotC's involvement, as there have been incredibly sharp jumps after every Commander set release.
You think that wotc decided to get involved with a fanmade format for the first time ever just because, or because that format was really really popular?
You thinking that designs like planeswalker and Oloro are good for the format because "they are not busted enough" shows how much you understand nothing of this format. If EDH started with this phylosophy, it would have become a forgettable format really fast.
Quote from Cranky » Format is co-opted by the RC which establishes initial ban list > Format gains a modest amount of popularity
Quote from Shadow345 »There's a few picks like Sylvan Primordial that I would like to see as playable but it's not a big enough issue to matter.
I mean there were a few situations like when Flash was legal and Sylvan Primordial was banned which made no sense. People where scooping just when a Flash was played.
Quote from Xcric » i do sometimes wonder if that's what's really wrong with the format right now.
Quote from ilovesaprolings »Quote from Xcric » i do sometimes wonder if that's what's really wrong with the format right now.
Congratulations, you got it.
RC's "style gameplay" is what made the format popular. A lot of people wanted to play that kind of magic and couldn't everywhere else.
Then wotc came and printed a lot of bull*****. They were clearly clueless about what the format was about (and it's not hard to see. Maro still is. They tought that tucking was a feature and not a bug. 2013 commanders were a broken mess. And so on).
So nowadays the format evolved and became way more broken. It's natural of course, after all more cards = more broken combinations, it's inevitable. But with commander it happened too fast. "2010 gameplay" is what many people still want to play, so i can't blame the RC for clinging to it.
Quote from Cranky »Here's the thing: EDH has become wildly more popular since WotC started paying attention to the format and it is intellectually dishonest to say otherwise. All of the sales data and even simple logic bears that out.
Quote from Cranky »If people wanted to play the RC's way at first, we've collectively moved past that now, and the people are hungry for more and more new toys.
Quote from Cranky »As to your second point, I'm not sure why you're being so combative.
...New players enjoy the RC's style..., and for the most part very quickly evolve their play into something more inherently interesting as they grow.
Quote from Cranky »Not everyone gets to the point where they find a cEDH level of interaction and complexity enjoyable, but I've been playing EDH for a decade and watched new players slowly lose interest in the stale ramp>dragon>swing format the RC advocates and move into more complicated, interactive decks with more engaging play patterns and knobs to turn.
Quote from FunkyDragon »I also think that they can grow through experience and speaking with more experienced players. But growing does not equate to changing playstyle. You can grow and build better decks that are still intended to achieve more casual fun.
Quote from FunkyDragon »I've been playing EDH since 2009, and I've seen it go both ways. I've seen people try to go more competitive, and I've seen people get sick of competitive and just want to have fun and be social.