Either the rules committee is going to have to make changes and alterations to the rules yet again to accommodate companion or we're going to have at least a few more cards (bare minimum Lurrus) no longer legal to play in EDH after they end up banned in vintage next week.
It'd be a real shame if Lurrus wasn't available in commander. He's obviously problematic elsewhere, but he's good clean fun here. Obviously as a companion he's very far from overpowered. In the 99 he seems strong but fine. As a commander he seems pretty neat. Personally I've got an Ayli list with him as companion I'm dying to try out. It'd be pretty hilarious if he ended up banned before I could put him onto my playmat.
Interestingly, while the RC's website says vintage legal cards, WotC's site does not - instead it references the ante cards, the conspiracy cards, and then lists out the 2 manual dex cards and shahrazad individually. The pairing with the vintage banlist was always, imo, about conciseness and not about anything power-level-related, since all the other cards banned in vintage are banned for other reasons.
While I doubt wotc will break vintage so badly it need a ban very often, I think the RC might want to get ahead of the game and break away from the vintage banlist to prevent this becoming a bigger deal in the future.
It's hard to wrap my head around a card printed for standard getting banned in Vintage, rather than restricted, but here we are. It doesn't mean anything really in commander because it's not an ante or dexterity card, I think.
It's hard to wrap my head around a card printed for standard getting banned in Vintage, rather than restricted, but here we are. It doesn't mean anything really in commander because it's not an ante or dexterity card, I think.
It does though. The EDH card pool is "vintage legal" with an added banlist. That's why cards like the ante cards, conspiracies, etc. are not actually banned in EDH, they're simply not legal because they are not vintage legal.
The only bans in history in vintage are the following
Ante cards (playing for keeps)
Conspiracy (has to be draft)
Throw in the air (these just cause riots from the judges)
Shahrazad Is also banned, for taking too long in a tournament. Lurrus has potential to get banned, because restricting him does still allow you to use him as a companion, which does seem feasible in vintage to run. I guess they could restrict him and make the requirement that he cannot be a companion.
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It would be so much easier to just remove the companion mechanic from edh. Unban the otter and permit the legendary creatures to be used as commanders or in the 99 only. Clean and simple.
It would be so much easier to just remove the companion mechanic from edh. Unban the otter and permit the legendary creatures to be used as commanders or in the 99 only. Clean and simple.
Agreed. It was a bad move to try and force it to work in the format. They had to alter the rules and ban a card that a lot of people would have loved as a commander or as part of their 99 all to appease WotC and showcase their (terrible) new mechanic?
I slipped Lurrus into Breya so hopefully they find a way to make things work. I mean, I can always put Emry back if I have to, but I rather not.
I think Sheldon has to face the music and do banned as legend esque work and just not allow companion
What’s dumber is there’s only 10 in existence for the momment and then lutri can enter as just another copy of a dualcaster mage (your own cards can be copied)
It would be so much easier to just remove the companion mechanic from edh. Unban the otter and permit the legendary creatures to be used as commanders or in the 99 only. Clean and simple.
What are you even talking about? That doesn't fix this problem at all. The problem is that, since commander uses the vintage banlist, if lurrus gets banned in vintage he'll also become banned in commander, despite being a totally fine card here - whether he's available as a companion or not. It has nothing to do with how companions are used in commander. Even if they removed the option to use companions, if Lurrus is banned in vintage they'll still need to decide whether to keep using the vintage banlist or detach themselves from it to keep Lurrus legal as a commander and in the 99.
I'm so tired of this bashing against the companion mechanic. Is it problematic - to varying degrees - for every OTHER format? Sure. Commander is the one place where it's basically fine. Yet still you all whine. And you're all so excited to have another excuse to say "whoops, looks like it was a huge mistake!" that you didn't even realize that IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOLVING THIS PROBLEM. You just immediately knee-jerk "oh, there's a problem that's companion is related to? MAKING COMPANIONS WORK IN COMMANDER WAS A MISTAKE! What was the problem again?"
If Lurrus gets fully banned in vintage (BaaC seems unlikely since there's no precedent for half-bans in other formats afaik), there are really only three options (as far as addressing that particular issue) for the RC:
-Lurrus gets banned despite being fine and cool.
-Detach themselves from the vintage banlist and just list out all those cards on their own like it does on the wotc banlist pages.
-Make an exception for Lurrus, like Shahrazad used to be (so, vintage banlist minus Lurrus).
Commander is the one place where it's basically fine.
I agree mostly wholeheartedly with this sentiment. I think that might change, though, if whining people get to Sheldon and he changes the rules about Hybrid mana, haha. All of the companions being Hybrid, they'd be a lot more dominant I think.
Just try to remain calm for three days. I think they'll try to play around banning black-border non-dexterity non-ante non-subgame cards in Vintage any way they can.
I am kinda worried that all the obnoxious whining from change-averse crybabies will make the RC consider changing its mind. But I don't see any reason why, even if Lurrus gets banned in vintage, that would change anything about how companions work in commander. They're totally unrelated issues. Lurrus would still need to be considered separately.
Guys nothings getting banned in vintages it’s restricted they go to in that
The only bans in history in vintage are the following
Ante cards (playing for keeps)
Conspiracy (has to be draft)
Throw in the air (these just cause riots from the judges)
Karn from war of the spark got restricted should be no different for Lurrus
And yes even with the companion thing and I doubt Sheldon would ban Lurrus in edh all because of vintage
Out of curiosity, what do you expect restricting Lurrus to do? That seems to be the clear front runner for "problem card" and decks currently play a grand total of 1 copy in their decks as it is now (since he already effectively restricts adding copies of himself to the deck). Restricting the card does literally nothing. Either they ban him or they simply do nothing with him. Which means Vintage remains broken (more broken than it was before).
Guys nothings getting banned in vintages it’s restricted they go to in that
The only bans in history in vintage are the following
Ante cards (playing for keeps)
Conspiracy (has to be draft)
Throw in the air (these just cause riots from the judges)
Karn from war of the spark got restricted should be no different for Lurrus
And yes even with the companion thing and I doubt Sheldon would ban Lurrus in edh all because of vintage
Out of curiosity, what do you expect restricting Lurrus to do? That seems to be the clear front runner for "problem card" and decks currently play a grand total of 1 copy in their decks as it is now (since he already effectively restricts adding copies of himself to the deck). Restricting the card does literally nothing. Either they ban him or they simply do nothing with him. Which means Vintage remains broken (more broken than it was before).
Not really anything I just expect Sheldon on to not ban lurrus from edh because of vintage he literally said that all the others but lutri we're fine for edh.
Yet still you all whine. And you're all so excited to have another excuse to say "whoops, looks like it was a huge mistake!" that you didn't even realize that IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOLVING THIS PROBLEM. You just immediately knee-jerk "oh, there's a problem that's companion is related to? MAKING COMPANIONS WORK IN COMMANDER WAS A MISTAKE! What was the problem again?"
My problem is not with the companion mechanic. I'm all for exploring new mechanics.
Lutri shouldn't be banned as an optional commander or 99 inclusion. There is zero logical reason why Lutri can't be a commander when Naru Meha, Master Wizard exists. Not defining a use-as-commander vs in-99-specific banlist is getting absurd, because there absolutely is zero reason why Lutri can't be played in the 99.
And really, the currently available companions are not adding too much to the format. Drastically limiting card selection by forcing odd/even only cmc, for a situational furnace of rath that dies to creature removal, or a really bad gamble at a situational reanimation spell? A simic draw spell that means you can't play staples like farseek and sakura-tribe elder? A 5-cmc mana-dork strictly worse than prismatic geoscope?
If any would be banned then obviously it should be yorion, sky nomad, because it's pre-requesits just can't happen.
Lurrus and maybe zirda/keruga have potential, but honestly these cards are just not very helpful for deck creation in this format.
So after considering all this, IMO the easiest fix is simple. Just disable the companion mechanic in EDH.
Did you read what I wrote? Are you paying attention?
HOW COMPANION WORKS IN COMMANDER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROBLEM. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.
If Lurrus is banned in vintage, then the RC will have to decide whether to let him be banned in commander, or to go out of sync with the vintage banlist. Whether Lurrus can be used as a companion in commander is 100% irrelevant to that discussion. Whether Lutri is banned is also 100% irrelevant to that discussion.
Lutri is one card in 20,000, and not a very interesting one either, since as you point out Naru Meha and dualcaster exist. If you honestly feel that one not-particularly-interesting card getting banned is worth all this effort to whine about, then you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't understand you, at all. Especially if you're advocating a "banned as a companion" classification, in which case you wouldn't even be shortening the banlist, you'd just be lengthening it. BaaC is a waste of time because it doesn't simplify the banlist, it complicates it, and while some cards - erayo, braids, leovold - might be tolerable in the 99 they're not actually GOOD or FUN for the game. What's the point in making the rules MORE complicated to accommodate cards that are tolerable at best?
This format is not a competitive format. Do most companions probably lower your winrate overall? Probably. Is that a thing that matters when playing a casual format for fun?
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Personally I'm psyched to try the companions out in multiple decks, even if it'll probably mostly just be silly. Complaining about how they aren't powerful enough just makes me think you don't understand the first thing about commander.
.....Why would you ban Yorion because of it being unable to work? That doesn't even make sense. It's already de-facto banned as a companion, why would you ban it elsewhere?
The fix for WHAT? THIS PROBLEM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW COMPANIONS WORK IN COMMANDER. How many times do I have to spell it out for you before you stop running to the same irrelevant argument? You're like that guy who will blame it on "the liberals" five times before he realizes that people are just asking what he wants for lunch. SMH...
Yea take a chill pill man. I wasn't taking part in your discussion and whatever is going on that's making you go on such tilt. My posts were adding to the topic of this entire thread - speculation about the upcoming banlist adjustment, and my hopes and expectations.
Honestly why do you take such offense to half of the posts I make? You seem to take everything so personal, like my opinions are always directed at you and only you. I don't care about you or your opinions. I'm only on these forums to talk about the game.
The topic of this thread is about how the potential additions (most likely Lurrus) to the vintage banlist could have implications for commander, since we use "vintage legal cards" as the starting point for card legality.
How companions work in commander has nothing to do with that topic. Nothing whatsoever. You introduced it when it was irrelevant. You aren't adding to this thread. You're derailing it.
On top of which, you haven't added anything to previous conversations (on the unrelated topic of companions function in commander) except to restate your opinion with no additions or refinement. So yes, it gets fairly frustrating when you do nothing except keep repeating the same thing in increasingly inappropriate threads. If you want to talk about that topic, talk about it in the dedicated thread for that topic, and try to actually say something new instead of the same thing over, and over, and over...along with the half-dozen other people who keep saying the same thing. It's incredibly tedious.
Being that my original post in this thread was a direct opinion for the original posters topic, (which he then replied to agreeing with), and everything after was me replying to your derailing rant, I'd have to disagree. The topics I introduced here were all in response to your earlier spam.
The topic created is about speculating how the committee may handle changing the rules or what new rules may come. This doesn't mean an exclusive conversation regarding the vintage banlist.
We've already shared our opinions, so how's about we don't make this topic more uninviting for actual conversation.
Being that my original post in this thread was a direct opinion for the original posters topic, (which he then replied to agreeing with), and everything after was me replying to your derailing rant, I'd have to disagree. The topics I introduced here were all in response to your earlier spam.
The topic created is about speculating how the committee may handle changing the rules or what new rules may come. This doesn't mean an exclusive conversation regarding the vintage banlist.
We've already shared our opinions, so how's about we don't make this topic more uninviting for actual conversation.
I'm assuming NGW (as well as the other people who responded to you) just didn't notice that what you said was irrelevant. The topic title was about the upcoming bans, which are not going to include any updates to the commander rules - but will include updates for vintage that will potentially have downstream effects on commander. Nothing in the OP, title, or any other posts before yours says anything that would make your post relevant to the topic of this thread. And your post implies that breaking companion functionality in commander would fix this problem, which it does not. You can pretend you're justified if you must.
That said, you're 100% correct that I've also contributed to the derailing of this thread, and I'm just repeating myself anyway. So I'm going to stop.
Paradox engine is one of the biggest mistake cards to ever see print, especially in Commander. Iona literally ruins any game she hits the table. I'd rather have someone play decree of annihilation against me, cause at least everyone is screwed over instead of just one poor guy
How do you think it's going to be handled?
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
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UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Interestingly, while the RC's website says vintage legal cards, WotC's site does not - instead it references the ante cards, the conspiracy cards, and then lists out the 2 manual dex cards and shahrazad individually. The pairing with the vintage banlist was always, imo, about conciseness and not about anything power-level-related, since all the other cards banned in vintage are banned for other reasons.
While I doubt wotc will break vintage so badly it need a ban very often, I think the RC might want to get ahead of the game and break away from the vintage banlist to prevent this becoming a bigger deal in the future.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
It does though. The EDH card pool is "vintage legal" with an added banlist. That's why cards like the ante cards, conspiracies, etc. are not actually banned in EDH, they're simply not legal because they are not vintage legal.
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
RGodzilla, King of the MonstersG
-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
The only bans in history in vintage are the following
Ante cards (playing for keeps)
Conspiracy (has to be draft)
Throw in the air (these just cause riots from the judges)
Karn from war of the spark got restricted should be no different for Lurrus
And yes even with the companion thing and I doubt Sheldon would ban Lurrus in edh all because of vintage
Shahrazad Is also banned, for taking too long in a tournament. Lurrus has potential to get banned, because restricting him does still allow you to use him as a companion, which does seem feasible in vintage to run. I guess they could restrict him and make the requirement that he cannot be a companion.
Links to my most current deck lists;
Primary EDH; Rakka Mar Token Perfection, Crosis Mnemonic Betrayal, Cromat Villainous, Judith Gravestorm, Rakdos Empty Storm, Exava Artifacts, Bant Trash, & Fumiko Voltron!
EDH kept at home; Ruzzian Isset & Rakdos LoR!
EDH (nostalgic/pimp/retired) in storage;
Latulla Burns, Akroma Smash, Jeska Voltron, Rakdos Storm, Bladewing Darghans, Lyzolda Worldgorger, Xantcha Steals your Heart, Jori Storm, Wydwen Permission, Gwendlyn Paradox, Jeleva Warps, & Sigarda Brick!
Legacy Showanimator and High Tide!
Agreed. It was a bad move to try and force it to work in the format. They had to alter the rules and ban a card that a lot of people would have loved as a commander or as part of their 99 all to appease WotC and showcase their (terrible) new mechanic?
I slipped Lurrus into Breya so hopefully they find a way to make things work. I mean, I can always put Emry back if I have to, but I rather not.
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
RGodzilla, King of the MonstersG
-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
What’s dumber is there’s only 10 in existence for the momment and then lutri can enter as just another copy of a dualcaster mage (your own cards can be copied)
I'm so tired of this bashing against the companion mechanic. Is it problematic - to varying degrees - for every OTHER format? Sure. Commander is the one place where it's basically fine. Yet still you all whine. And you're all so excited to have another excuse to say "whoops, looks like it was a huge mistake!" that you didn't even realize that IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOLVING THIS PROBLEM. You just immediately knee-jerk "oh, there's a problem that's companion is related to? MAKING COMPANIONS WORK IN COMMANDER WAS A MISTAKE! What was the problem again?"
If Lurrus gets fully banned in vintage (BaaC seems unlikely since there's no precedent for half-bans in other formats afaik), there are really only three options (as far as addressing that particular issue) for the RC:
-Lurrus gets banned despite being fine and cool.
-Detach themselves from the vintage banlist and just list out all those cards on their own like it does on the wotc banlist pages.
-Make an exception for Lurrus, like Shahrazad used to be (so, vintage banlist minus Lurrus).
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
I agree mostly wholeheartedly with this sentiment. I think that might change, though, if whining people get to Sheldon and he changes the rules about Hybrid mana, haha. All of the companions being Hybrid, they'd be a lot more dominant I think.
Just try to remain calm for three days. I think they'll try to play around banning black-border non-dexterity non-ante non-subgame cards in Vintage any way they can.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Not really anything I just expect Sheldon on to not ban lurrus from edh because of vintage he literally said that all the others but lutri we're fine for edh.
My problem is not with the companion mechanic. I'm all for exploring new mechanics.
My problem is with how they handled Lutri.
I'm an advocate for shrinking the banlist and giving the format cards like Braids, Cabal Minion/Panoptic Mirror/Coalition Victory/Iona, Shield of Emeria/Paradox Engine/Erayo, Soratami Ascendant to work with. IMO none of these cards should be banned.
Lutri shouldn't be banned as an optional commander or 99 inclusion. There is zero logical reason why Lutri can't be a commander when Naru Meha, Master Wizard exists. Not defining a use-as-commander vs in-99-specific banlist is getting absurd, because there absolutely is zero reason why Lutri can't be played in the 99.
And really, the currently available companions are not adding too much to the format. Drastically limiting card selection by forcing odd/even only cmc, for a situational furnace of rath that dies to creature removal, or a really bad gamble at a situational reanimation spell? A simic draw spell that means you can't play staples like farseek and sakura-tribe elder? A 5-cmc mana-dork strictly worse than prismatic geoscope?
If any would be banned then obviously it should be yorion, sky nomad, because it's pre-requesits just can't happen.
Lurrus and maybe zirda/keruga have potential, but honestly these cards are just not very helpful for deck creation in this format.
So after considering all this, IMO the easiest fix is simple. Just disable the companion mechanic in EDH.
Links to my most current deck lists;
Primary EDH; Rakka Mar Token Perfection, Crosis Mnemonic Betrayal, Cromat Villainous, Judith Gravestorm, Rakdos Empty Storm, Exava Artifacts, Bant Trash, & Fumiko Voltron!
EDH kept at home; Ruzzian Isset & Rakdos LoR!
EDH (nostalgic/pimp/retired) in storage;
Latulla Burns, Akroma Smash, Jeska Voltron, Rakdos Storm, Bladewing Darghans, Lyzolda Worldgorger, Xantcha Steals your Heart, Jori Storm, Wydwen Permission, Gwendlyn Paradox, Jeleva Warps, & Sigarda Brick!
Legacy Showanimator and High Tide!
HOW COMPANION WORKS IN COMMANDER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROBLEM. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.
If Lurrus is banned in vintage, then the RC will have to decide whether to let him be banned in commander, or to go out of sync with the vintage banlist. Whether Lurrus can be used as a companion in commander is 100% irrelevant to that discussion. Whether Lutri is banned is also 100% irrelevant to that discussion.
Lutri is one card in 20,000, and not a very interesting one either, since as you point out Naru Meha and dualcaster exist. If you honestly feel that one not-particularly-interesting card getting banned is worth all this effort to whine about, then you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't understand you, at all. Especially if you're advocating a "banned as a companion" classification, in which case you wouldn't even be shortening the banlist, you'd just be lengthening it. BaaC is a waste of time because it doesn't simplify the banlist, it complicates it, and while some cards - erayo, braids, leovold - might be tolerable in the 99 they're not actually GOOD or FUN for the game. What's the point in making the rules MORE complicated to accommodate cards that are tolerable at best?
This format is not a competitive format. Do most companions probably lower your winrate overall? Probably. Is that a thing that matters when playing a casual format for fun?
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Personally I'm psyched to try the companions out in multiple decks, even if it'll probably mostly just be silly. Complaining about how they aren't powerful enough just makes me think you don't understand the first thing about commander.
.....Why would you ban Yorion because of it being unable to work? That doesn't even make sense. It's already de-facto banned as a companion, why would you ban it elsewhere?
The fix for WHAT? THIS PROBLEM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW COMPANIONS WORK IN COMMANDER. How many times do I have to spell it out for you before you stop running to the same irrelevant argument? You're like that guy who will blame it on "the liberals" five times before he realizes that people are just asking what he wants for lunch. SMH...
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Honestly why do you take such offense to half of the posts I make? You seem to take everything so personal, like my opinions are always directed at you and only you. I don't care about you or your opinions. I'm only on these forums to talk about the game.
Links to my most current deck lists;
Primary EDH; Rakka Mar Token Perfection, Crosis Mnemonic Betrayal, Cromat Villainous, Judith Gravestorm, Rakdos Empty Storm, Exava Artifacts, Bant Trash, & Fumiko Voltron!
EDH kept at home; Ruzzian Isset & Rakdos LoR!
EDH (nostalgic/pimp/retired) in storage;
Latulla Burns, Akroma Smash, Jeska Voltron, Rakdos Storm, Bladewing Darghans, Lyzolda Worldgorger, Xantcha Steals your Heart, Jori Storm, Wydwen Permission, Gwendlyn Paradox, Jeleva Warps, & Sigarda Brick!
Legacy Showanimator and High Tide!
How companions work in commander has nothing to do with that topic. Nothing whatsoever. You introduced it when it was irrelevant. You aren't adding to this thread. You're derailing it.
On top of which, you haven't added anything to previous conversations (on the unrelated topic of companions function in commander) except to restate your opinion with no additions or refinement. So yes, it gets fairly frustrating when you do nothing except keep repeating the same thing in increasingly inappropriate threads. If you want to talk about that topic, talk about it in the dedicated thread for that topic, and try to actually say something new instead of the same thing over, and over, and over...along with the half-dozen other people who keep saying the same thing. It's incredibly tedious.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Being that my original post in this thread was a direct opinion for the original posters topic, (which he then replied to agreeing with), and everything after was me replying to your derailing rant, I'd have to disagree. The topics I introduced here were all in response to your earlier spam.
The topic created is about speculating how the committee may handle changing the rules or what new rules may come. This doesn't mean an exclusive conversation regarding the vintage banlist.
We've already shared our opinions, so how's about we don't make this topic more uninviting for actual conversation.
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Legacy Showanimator and High Tide!
That said, you're 100% correct that I've also contributed to the derailing of this thread, and I'm just repeating myself anyway. So I'm going to stop.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Here
Lurrus banned in vintage/legacy, zirda also banned in legacy, Winota and Magistrate banned in Brawl.
Zero indication/recognition of Commander using vintage Ban list as a base.
https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/2020/05/18/18-may-2020-update/
They seemed to have gone with the simplest solution: don't use the Vintage Ban list as a base anymore.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6