What are some nice non-tribal creatures people would use with Kaalia #2? I intend to build my deck with roughly 20+- angel/demon/dragon, the rest will be supportive creatures and cards that'd provide consistent blinks (like Conjurer's Closet) and reanimation. Creatures I have in mind are Mother of Runes, Grand Abolisher, Eldrazi Displacer etc.
I welcome non-creature suggestions as well, if people have some. For example, I am going to use more land-fetch cards like Armillary Sphere instead of mana rocks, so I could reduce the number of junk in my library when Kaalia triggers.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
As I've asked in another thread: What would be an optimal number of tribal cards in Kallia #2 to make it consistent? Rather, is there a formula that could help calculating it?
The chance to "draw" a tribal card is = [(Total # of tribal cards in deck) - (# of tribal cards NOT in deck)] / (Cards left in the library)
Kaalia enters/blinks would take 6 cards off the top of the remaining deck at once, I'm not sure how the formula would go with the one above. Ideally, average ETB/blink should net 2+ cards. This feels so calculus...
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
As I've asked in another thread: What would be an optimal number of tribal cards in Kallia #2 to make it consistent? Rather, is there a formula that could help calculating it?
The chance to "draw" a tribal card is = [(Total # of tribal cards in deck) - (# of tribal cards NOT in deck)] / (Cards left in the library)
Kaalia enters/blinks would take 6 cards off the top of the remaining deck at once, I'm not sure how the formula would go with the one above. Ideally, average ETB/blink should net 2+ cards. This feels so calculus...
conspiracy is in her colors, as are enchantment tutors.
Errata shows that Conspiracy actually "cancels" other creature types, which means if you name Angel, all creatures become angel in your deck, and Kaalia would only be able to pick out one at a time instead of potentially 2~3.
As I've asked in another thread: What would be an optimal number of tribal cards in Kallia #2 to make it consistent? Rather, is there a formula that could help calculating it?
The chance to "draw" a tribal card is = [(Total # of tribal cards in deck) - (# of tribal cards NOT in deck)] / (Cards left in the library)
Kaalia enters/blinks would take 6 cards off the top of the remaining deck at once, I'm not sure how the formula would go with the one above. Ideally, average ETB/blink should net 2+ cards. This feels so calculus...
Since you've been looking, you might be interested in the primer stub I just started for this commander. Could be a useful resource and collaboration hub.
conspiracy is in her colors, as are enchantment tutors.
Errata shows that Conspiracy actually "cancels" other creature types, which means if you name Angel, all creatures become angel in your deck, and Kaalia would only be able to pick out one at a time instead of potentially 2~3.
Yes, but I thought the discussion was non-tribal cards. This makes them fetchable.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
As I've asked in another thread: What would be an optimal number of tribal cards in Kallia #2 to make it consistent? Rather, is there a formula that could help calculating it?
The chance to "draw" a tribal card is = [(Total # of tribal cards in deck) - (# of tribal cards NOT in deck)] / (Cards left in the library)
Kaalia enters/blinks would take 6 cards off the top of the remaining deck at once, I'm not sure how the formula would go with the one above. Ideally, average ETB/blink should net 2+ cards. This feels so calculus...
Since you've been looking, you might be interested in the primer stub I just started for this commander. Could be a useful resource and collaboration hub.
conspiracy is in her colors, as are enchantment tutors.
Errata shows that Conspiracy actually "cancels" other creature types, which means if you name Angel, all creatures become angel in your deck, and Kaalia would only be able to pick out one at a time instead of potentially 2~3.
Yes, but I thought the discussion was non-tribal cards. This makes them fetchable.
Indeed, I was just pointing out the consistency provided by Conspiracy comes at a cost, trading numbers for precision. One of Kaalia #2's advantage is how she could fetch multiple creatures at once, compare to #1's ability to drop only one at a time. Since the game doesn't start with Conspiracy on the battlefield, most Zenith Seeker decks would still have over 50% creatures being angel/demon/dragon of even ratio, which ironically would reduce the benefit provided by Conspiracy.
I agree that while Conspiracy looks good on paper, the value it offers quickly diminishes when we go from gaining a +1 instead of a +3 CA, even if it's more likely to gain at least that +1 (and it's easier to just keep the a/d/d split and not have to worry about running a five cmc do nothing anyway). This deck is going to be less glass cannon, and more go the distance, and we will not be able to support such a card. It would do better in original Kaalia where I could suddenly make a demon Ulamog, but even that is a bit win-more, I think.
The trick is we have to remember that we're losing the mana cost cheat mechanism with this deck and so we have to focus on casting our cards and support cards, rather than the original where we cast support cards and deploy the threats for free.
I agree that while Conspiracy looks good on paper, the value it offers quickly diminishes when we go from gaining a +1 instead of a +3 CA, even if it's more likely to gain at least that +1 (and it's easier to just keep the a/d/d split and not have to worry about running a five cmc do nothing anyway). This deck is going to be less glass cannon, and more go the distance, and we will not be able to support such a card. It would do better in original Kaalia where I could suddenly make a demon Ulamog, but even that is a bit win-more, I think.
The trick is we have to remember that we're losing the mana cost cheat mechanism with this deck and so we have to focus on casting our cards and support cards, rather than the original where we cast support cards and deploy the threats for free.
Anything in these colors that manipulates libraries enough to be useful? I know that's usually blue and sometimes green, but anything in these colors?
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Anything in these colors that manipulates libraries enough to be useful? I know that's usually blue and sometimes green, but anything in these colors?
Black tutors are common, including the most recent Scheming Symmetry, though I wouldn't use tutors for a creature that Kaalia who already has a good chance of getting one, unless it's a game decider. There are colorless options like Scroll Rack, which could trade tribal cards in your hand for cards, then grab them back immediately with Kaalia, or use the likes of Crystal Ball to filter away non-tribal cards.
On a side note, Avenging Angel puts herself on top of the library. I haven't used this card in a while.
It's true Avenging Angel keeps top decking itself, but then, like, you have to keep drawing (and casting), a five drop 3/3. Not so exciting. Although perhaps Mortuary is a missed gem since we can stack the triggers post wrath with Kaalia on top, draw her, cast for three and get three threats.
Although perhaps Mortuary is a missed gem since we can stack the triggers post wrath with Kaalia on top, draw her, cast for three and get three threats.
Hoooo, now that's a tech, pretty much negates the drawback by immediately fetch them out of the library.
Although perhaps Mortuary is a missed gem since we can stack the triggers post wrath with Kaalia on top, draw her, cast for three and get three threats.
Hoooo, now that's a tech, pretty much negates the drawback by immediately fetch them out of the library.
And with Scroll Rack, pay 1 to retrieve all the creatures if you need them this turn. I like how this new Kaalia is making Mardu tricky.
Right? Like I said in the primer stub, this deck has all the tricks that made me want to build rebel yell, without the whole "playing trashy rebel cards" lol. Think we've got a keeper here. See, mortuary is so hard to use because you just softlock yourself out of your draws but even with just the commander, you still can blow through six deep off the top every time, which removes the one weakness to this card.
To add onto this and the living end theory I mentioned earlier, you can set that up thanks to our scroll rack that keeps it hidden until we want it, we can cast it on call with throes of chaos...as well, we're also situated to use restore balance the same way......
Can I move all this discussion over to @mtgnexus where I've established the primer too? Based on the downtime of this site this m.k morning, I've got a few doubts as to the validity of this site's staying power.
Can I move all this discussion over to @mtgnexus where I've established the primer too? Based on the downtime of this site this m.k morning, I've got a few doubts as to the validity of this site's staying power.
Can I move all this discussion over to @mtgnexus where I've established the primer too? Based on the downtime of this site this m.k morning, I've got a few doubts as to the validity of this site's staying power.
I thought we're keeping this site? Are we losing it?
Hard to say, earlier it was down with an error unable to load, but the error only seemed to be on the forums. It persisted for a few hours so...maybe borrowed time?
What are some nice non-tribal creatures people would use with Kaalia #2? I intend to build my deck with roughly 20+- angel/demon/dragon, the rest will be supportive creatures and cards that'd provide consistent blinks (like Conjurer's Closet) and reanimation. Creatures I have in mind are Mother of Runes, Grand Abolisher, Eldrazi Displacer etc.
I welcome non-creature suggestions as well, if people have some. For example, I am going to use more land-fetch cards like Armillary Sphere instead of mana rocks, so I could reduce the number of junk in my library when Kaalia triggers.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
She's an interesting brew tbh. Very fair. And not nearly as locked into certain card choices as the OG.
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Crib Swap, Mirror Entity, Taurean Mauler, Graveshifter.
Obviously Kaalia of the Vast and depending on how stats of your creatures work out Imperial Recruiter can search for her at the very least. Same with Recruiter of the Guard if stats line up with your creature base.
There is a combo package with Felidar Guardian, Restoration Angel and Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker.
Felidar Guardian and Restoration Angel give you additional ETB with Kaalia, Zenith Seeker by themselves.
Ilharg, the Raze-Boar is a nice way to cheat in your bigger creatures, especially those with brutal ETBs.
Planar Guide is another way of getting ETB and protection from board wipes.
Blood Speaker for repeatable value.
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
Click images for decks->
-Prime Speaker Vannifar
---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
The chance to "draw" a tribal card is = [(Total # of tribal cards in deck) - (# of tribal cards NOT in deck)] / (Cards left in the library)
Kaalia enters/blinks would take 6 cards off the top of the remaining deck at once, I'm not sure how the formula would go with the one above. Ideally, average ETB/blink should net 2+ cards. This feels so calculus...
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
http://www.unseelie.org/cgi-bin/cardco.cgi?deck=99&target=9&hand=7
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
Click images for decks->
-Prime Speaker Vannifar
---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
Errata shows that Conspiracy actually "cancels" other creature types, which means if you name Angel, all creatures become angel in your deck, and Kaalia would only be able to pick out one at a time instead of potentially 2~3.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Since you've been looking, you might be interested in the primer stub I just started for this commander. Could be a useful resource and collaboration hub.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
The link Darrenhabib provided was very useful in getting the %, which means the question remained would be what is the optimal % for the deck. (for convenience sake, here's the link: http://www.unseelie.org/cgi-bin/cardco.cgi?deck=99&target=9&hand=7)
Indeed, I was just pointing out the consistency provided by Conspiracy comes at a cost, trading numbers for precision. One of Kaalia #2's advantage is how she could fetch multiple creatures at once, compare to #1's ability to drop only one at a time. Since the game doesn't start with Conspiracy on the battlefield, most Zenith Seeker decks would still have over 50% creatures being angel/demon/dragon of even ratio, which ironically would reduce the benefit provided by Conspiracy.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
The trick is we have to remember that we're losing the mana cost cheat mechanism with this deck and so we have to focus on casting our cards and support cards, rather than the original where we cast support cards and deploy the threats for free.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
After seeing some decks including Angel of the God-Pharaoh, Winged Shepherd, and Eternal Dragon, I wonder if Astral Slide/Zombie Infestation style discard deck would be viable, discard for profit and reanimation, blink Kaalia and do it again.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
On phasing:
Black tutors are common, including the most recent Scheming Symmetry, though I wouldn't use tutors for a creature that Kaalia who already has a good chance of getting one, unless it's a game decider. There are colorless options like Scroll Rack, which could trade tribal cards in your hand for cards, then grab them back immediately with Kaalia, or use the likes of Crystal Ball to filter away non-tribal cards.
On a side note, Avenging Angel puts herself on top of the library. I haven't used this card in a while.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Hoooo, now that's a tech, pretty much negates the drawback by immediately fetch them out of the library.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
I knew I'd find a home for that card eventually.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
And with Scroll Rack, pay 1 to retrieve all the creatures if you need them this turn. I like how this new Kaalia is making Mardu tricky.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Right? Like I said in the primer stub, this deck has all the tricks that made me want to build rebel yell, without the whole "playing trashy rebel cards" lol. Think we've got a keeper here. See, mortuary is so hard to use because you just softlock yourself out of your draws but even with just the commander, you still can blow through six deep off the top every time, which removes the one weakness to this card.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
To add onto this and the living end theory I mentioned earlier, you can set that up thanks to our scroll rack that keeps it hidden until we want it, we can cast it on call with throes of chaos...as well, we're also situated to use restore balance the same way......
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Lightning Mauler
Bloodlust Inciter / Goblin Motivator
Anger
Blink
Felidar Guardian
Ramp
Dragonspeaker Shaman
Dragonlord's Servant
Burnished Hart
Solemn Simulacrum
Lifegain
Bishop of Wings
Pillowfort
Windborn Muse
Baird, Steward of Argive
Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker
Politics
Queen Marchesa
Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor
Protection
Giver of Runes
Glory
Evasion
Filth
Reanimation
Doomed Necromancer
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I thought we're keeping this site? Are we losing it?
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Hard to say, earlier it was down with an error unable to load, but the error only seemed to be on the forums. It persisted for a few hours so...maybe borrowed time?
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