So i'm bringing my Karador dredge/reanimator/graveyard/whatever deck back and one thing it was always lacking were good sac outlets.
Can someone suggest me the best sac outlets for a karador deck?
Really generic i know, i just need some brainstorming
I'd prefer creature options since the dredgy nature of the deck but i'm open to everything
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
In my Karador deck (which, admittedly, is less dredge-y) I swear by land based sac outlets. With Life from the Loam, you can ensure you always have them even if they get destroyed. I run:
Greater Good and Momentous Fall aren't creatures but can help as sac outlets and Dredging. Greater Good also pitches things to get into your graveyard for Reanimation. Spawning Pit can also be reasonable as well.
There are some obvious picks-- the altars: Ashnod's altar, Phyrexian altar, Altar of dementia; viscera seer; and carrion feeder. Culling dais is somewhat nifty, though you can't sack arbitrary numbers of creatures to it in a turn. Torgaar, Famine Incarnate comes to mind for being one of the few- possibly the only- creature that lets you sack any number of creatures upon casting it.
I run Phyrexian Altar, Greater Good (which will work well with dredge), and Viscera Seer as my free ones. Vampiric Rites is also in there as my not free one. And also Grim Backwoods, High Market, Birthing Pod, and a bunch of one shot effects.
Thank you guys! i am especially excited to put Yawgmoth in my deck
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
Disagree. I used to play it, long ago, but I realized that the inability to sacrifice more than one creature per turn cycle is a major problem. Spawning Pit is a bit better.
Disagree. I used to play it, long ago, but I realized that the inability to sacrifice more than one creature per turn cycle is a major problem. Spawning Pit is a bit better.
The Pit does not draw cards, and Dais does not tap to use its second mode. 'Value Karador' in particular was where I saw its benefit the most.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
Blasting station pings things and also sacs. It's not exactly an open sac outlet but it does a good impression in the context of combos, if you're doing that.
Martyred Rusalka is one that I don't see played a lot that's quite powerful, despite the mana limitation. Very effective with Karador as you usually don't want them attacking you.
And related note: Ranger of Eos is exceptional in Karador decks, fetching all kinds of nonsense. I think there is a guy who has an exhaustive list and a karador 1-drop themed deck out there too to pull ideas from, but Caustic Catterpillar is the best.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
Oh thank you guys!
That 1 drop list made me discover tragic poet! That will help both when i dredge cool enchantment and when i need to pernicious deed everything
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Oh thank you guys!
That 1 drop list made me discover tragic poet! That will help both when i dredge cool enchantment and when i need to pernicious deed everything
I want to go and second Sadistic Hypnotist. I run it in my Karador list and it is absolutely brutal to be on the receiving end of. While it's sorcery speed only it still works for the combos that Karador typically runs and is similar to cards like Spike Weaver in that some decks just singlehandedly lose to it plus Karador, Ghost Chieftain and something to sac/recur like Harmonic Sliver or Angel of Despair to remove the few things your opponent does manage to topdeck.
It is important to note that the inability to sacrifice things at instant speed is a very real weakness for Sadistic Hypnotist. If you absolutely need all of your sac outlets to be able to be used during combat or in response to people trying to steal, tuck, or exile your things then hypnotist probably isn't for you.
Disagree. I used to play it, long ago, but I realized that the inability to sacrifice more than one creature per turn cycle is a major problem. Spawning Pit is a bit better.
The Pit does not draw cards, and Dais does not tap to use its second mode. 'Value Karador' in particular was where I saw its benefit the most.
The issue is that you can only sac one creature per turn cycle.
Karador wins the game when the deck starts sacrificing multiple creatures and recurring them over and over again.
Can someone suggest me the best sac outlets for a karador deck?
Really generic i know, i just need some brainstorming
I'd prefer creature options since the dredgy nature of the deck but i'm open to everything
Diamond Valley
Miren, the Moaning Well
High Market
Phyrexian Tower
As for creature based, Carrion Feeder and Viscera Seer are pretty good cheap options. Yawgmoth, Thran Physician looks pretty good as he works as a Sac outlet and a way to Dredge at the same time. Krav, the Unredeemed isn't bad as he draws as well to give you ways to Dredge more. You could also go with Yahenni, Undying Partisan. There are a couple others like Bloodthrone Vampire, Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim, and Nantuko Husk but I don't think they are quite as good. Ayli is almost good but the fact that it costs mana is a real downside.
Greater Good and Momentous Fall aren't creatures but can help as sac outlets and Dredging. Greater Good also pitches things to get into your graveyard for Reanimation. Spawning Pit can also be reasonable as well.
Sadistic Hypnotist is often a good option.
Razaketh, the Foulblooded is obviously great if you can cheat him into play.
Evolutionary Leap is pretty good if you are willing to pay mana.
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The Sac Lands are very good. Only get used once per turn cycle, but can create great value over time if nobody wises up to how effective they are.
Greater Good is an All Star
Viscera Seer is super efficient, but fragile
Carion Feeder also very efficient and can swing as well.
Evolutionary Leap looks good, but I have never tried it.
Disagree. I used to play it, long ago, but I realized that the inability to sacrifice more than one creature per turn cycle is a major problem. Spawning Pit is a bit better.
Cartel Aristocrat is another one that you can use, op.
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
Martyred Rusalka is one that I don't see played a lot that's quite powerful, despite the mana limitation. Very effective with Karador as you usually don't want them attacking you.
And related note: Ranger of Eos is exceptional in Karador decks, fetching all kinds of nonsense. I think there is a guy who has an exhaustive list and a karador 1-drop themed deck out there too to pull ideas from, but Caustic Catterpillar is the best.
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That 1 drop list made me discover tragic poet! That will help both when i dredge cool enchantment and when i need to pernicious deed everything
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It is important to note that the inability to sacrifice things at instant speed is a very real weakness for Sadistic Hypnotist. If you absolutely need all of your sac outlets to be able to be used during combat or in response to people trying to steal, tuck, or exile your things then hypnotist probably isn't for you.
The issue is that you can only sac one creature per turn cycle.
Karador wins the game when the deck starts sacrificing multiple creatures and recurring them over and over again.
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
Viscera Seer
Phyrexian/Ashnod's/Dementia Altar
Sadistic Hypnotist
Greater Good
Yawgmoth
Phyrexian Tower
High Market
Miren