So, my brother is really good at making decks you can do nothing to fight. I need cards that either exile or remove nontarget and nonland. The reason being, he combines darksteel forge with enchantments or artifacts that make him hexproof. I already have merciless eviction and chaos bane or whatever that black: sacrifice half your permanents is called. But the problem is, I need more. I can't rely on two cards to take him out when his deck pratically plays itself. I'm open to suggestions.
TLDR; Need AOE removal that does not have keywords "Destroy" or "Target". Or, just single "target" removal cards without the targetting part. Such as, "Player removes one card from their board." or something like that.
My man, you need to get yourself a decree of annihilation or a cylconic rift. Hell, go to scryfall and search "return each", "return all", "destroy each", and "destroy all" (4 separate searches) and get you some boardwipes.
I've tried scryfall. Admittedly after a few hours of trying different search methods, I wasn't able to see the cards you were talking about. Thats why I came here, thanks for your help. Any other cards (I play rainbow) would be greatly appreciated. The problem with your suggestion is that "Destroy each" and "Destroy all" are nullified by his immortality cards.
I also like Sun Titan + Song of the Dryads. When you cast auras, you need to target. But when you put an aura into play without casting it, you can put it wherever since there is no targeting.
To help you find the cards use the o: option on Scryfall and don't combine the words. For example, try doing this search
o:artifact o:upkeep -o:target -o:destroy not:unset
That query will fetch a manageable result of 35 cards or so and manually looking through, you'll see about 7 or 8 of interest.
For the first o:, you can try words like permanent, nonland, opponent etc. for the other o: try words like exile, return, sacrifice. The rest of the stuff excludes unwanted words.
So, my brother is really good at making decks you can do nothing to fight. I need cards that either exile or remove nontarget and nonland. The reason being, he combines darksteel forge with enchantments or artifacts that make him hexproof. I already have merciless eviction and chaos bane or whatever that black: sacrifice half your permanents is called. But the problem is, I need more. I can't rely on two cards to take him out when his deck pratically plays itself. I'm open to suggestions.
TLDR; Need AOE removal that does not have keywords "Destroy" or "Target". Or, just single "target" removal cards without the targetting part. Such as, "Player removes one card from their board." or something like that.
So, my brother is really good at making decks you can do nothing to fight. I need cards that either exile or remove nontarget and nonland. The reason being, he combines darksteel forge with enchantments or artifacts that make him hexproof. I already have merciless eviction and chaos bane or whatever that black: sacrifice half your permanents is called. But the problem is, I need more. I can't rely on two cards to take him out when his deck pratically plays itself. I'm open to suggestions.
TLDR; Need AOE removal that does not have keywords "Destroy" or "Target". Or, just single "target" removal cards without the targetting part. Such as, "Player removes one card from their board." or something like that.
Great Job guys, I've tried putting in those codes for scryfall, but it just doesn't seem to work for me. It just returns no cards. *shrug* Oh well. This thread was very helpful
Generally those decks fold pretty hard when you exile darksteel forge, so might be worth considering some Slaughter games effects. I'm normally not a huge fan of those but man I am tired of darksteel forge
Depending on your colors of course.
I find Capsize is a pretty good catchall for this type of effect too, and Venser, Shaper Savant is alright too. Typically you want to sequence it so you bounce it then untap and do a more typically available destroys effect or whatever.
Yeah, I have to second Kataki, War's Wage - this card is pretty awesome at shutting down artifact decks and turning off mana rocks.
A personal favorite is Rebuild - instant speed bounce all artifacts, setting them back turns, and you can use it in response to a wheel effect to get rid of everything. Also has cycling in case you don't need to cast it.
Ruric Thar, the Unbowed doesn't remove anything, but it does make it really costly for them to keep playing noncreatures.
March of the Machines animates artifacts, making them vulnerable to creature removal.
Aura Thief can deal with his enchantments by giving them to you - see how he likes playing against his own stuff.
Artifacts are your bane? Here are some options that weren't already mentioned.
Hurkyl's recall (If you get another way to deal with him having hexproof...ways have been mentioned in above posts) Furnace Dragon (I LOVE running this guy. Artifacts go poof forever) Titania's song (and people thought march of the machines was good....., this does the same thing but also removes their abilities.) Consulate crackdown (when they just reallllly need to go away but mine get to stay! well, white has a lot of options)
It would have to hit early, before the hexproof (or you can use the many ways to get around hexproof), but Praetor’s Grasp or other search/exile cards would take care of Forge.
Seconding Tragic Arrogance and Wave of Vitriol. I get a whole lot of people just scoop after I resolve Vitriol, and Arrogance is savage too. Cataclysmic Gearhulk and Cataclysm might do enough to get you there, too. The only problem there is leaving some of the choice in your brother's hands, meaning he might be able to claw back to some extent.
Scrap Mastery will make him sac his entire artifact board state. It's not all it does, so it might not fit every situation, but it's worth consideration.
Ooh. You could get mean about it and pinch his stuff with Hellkite Tyrant and Thada Adel, Acquisitor. There's nothing better than getting someone with their own stuff.
Ooh. You could get mean about it and pinch his stuff with Hellkite Tyrant and Thada Adel, Acquisitor. There's nothing better than getting someone with their own stuff.
You don't even need to cast things you've taken with Thada Adel - simply exiling the problem cards from the opponents library and leaving them there is often a solid line with her. Another similar card often worth running is Praetor's Grasp. The full on Extract type cards aren't usually that good in EDH, but the one's like these that can either get something useful for you or get rid of something you otherwise can't answer are definitely worth a look.
Ooh. You could get mean about it and pinch his stuff with Hellkite Tyrant and Thada Adel, Acquisitor. There's nothing better than getting someone with their own stuff.
You don't even need to cast things you've taken with Thada Adel - simply exiling the problem cards from the opponents library and leaving them there is often a solid line with her. Another similar card often worth running is Praetor's Grasp. The full on Extract type cards aren't usually that good in EDH, but the one's like these that can either get something useful for you or get rid of something you otherwise can't answer are definitely worth a look.
Agreed. If you have a way to recur it, Jester’s Cap can level the playing field nicely too.
I suggest cutting a couple colors. Perhaps going instead WUB. Cyclonic rift and counterspells can eliminate some stuff, and luckily Esper is great for control.
I would also suggest running clever impersonator and phyrexian metamorph. Just copy his hexproof thing and darksteel forge...
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TLDR; Need AOE removal that does not have keywords "Destroy" or "Target". Or, just single "target" removal cards without the targetting part. Such as, "Player removes one card from their board." or something like that.
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I also like Sun Titan + Song of the Dryads. When you cast auras, you need to target. But when you put an aura into play without casting it, you can put it wherever since there is no targeting.
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You're just playing and ? No other colors? Does your opponent play any colors?
Just a few ideas.....
Tax the opponent (and sometimes yourself) with Braids, Cabal Minion or Kataki, War's Wage
Exile stuff with Consulate Crackdown, Play the Game or Urza's Ruinous Blast. Be careful with that last one.
Then you got more than a few choices.
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To help you find the cards use the o: option on Scryfall and don't combine the words. For example, try doing this search
o:artifact o:upkeep -o:target -o:destroy not:unset
That query will fetch a manageable result of 35 cards or so and manually looking through, you'll see about 7 or 8 of interest.
For the first o:, you can try words like permanent, nonland, opponent etc. for the other o: try words like exile, return, sacrifice. The rest of the stuff excludes unwanted words.
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Tragic Arrogance does what you want.
You're right. I misread that as functioning like Cataclysm.
Someone else mentioned Cyclonic Rift. I believe these too are the most flexible board wipes for whatever you may be facing.
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Or for a more practical answer, take a different approach: Counterspell and the myriad of other counters available to you answer almost anything.
Depending on your colors of course.
I find Capsize is a pretty good catchall for this type of effect too, and Venser, Shaper Savant is alright too. Typically you want to sequence it so you bounce it then untap and do a more typically available destroys effect or whatever.
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A personal favorite is Rebuild - instant speed bounce all artifacts, setting them back turns, and you can use it in response to a wheel effect to get rid of everything. Also has cycling in case you don't need to cast it.
Ruric Thar, the Unbowed doesn't remove anything, but it does make it really costly for them to keep playing noncreatures.
March of the Machines animates artifacts, making them vulnerable to creature removal.
Aura Thief can deal with his enchantments by giving them to you - see how he likes playing against his own stuff.
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Hurkyl's recall (If you get another way to deal with him having hexproof...ways have been mentioned in above posts)
Furnace Dragon (I LOVE running this guy. Artifacts go poof forever)
Titania's song (and people thought march of the machines was good....., this does the same thing but also removes their abilities.)
Consulate crackdown (when they just reallllly need to go away but mine get to stay! well, white has a lot of options)
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(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
Cataclysmic Gearhulk and Cataclysm might do enough to get you there, too. The only problem there is leaving some of the choice in your brother's hands, meaning he might be able to claw back to some extent.
Scrap Mastery will make him sac his entire artifact board state. It's not all it does, so it might not fit every situation, but it's worth consideration.
Ooh. You could get mean about it and pinch his stuff with Hellkite Tyrant and Thada Adel, Acquisitor. There's nothing better than getting someone with their own stuff.
You don't even need to cast things you've taken with Thada Adel - simply exiling the problem cards from the opponents library and leaving them there is often a solid line with her. Another similar card often worth running is Praetor's Grasp. The full on Extract type cards aren't usually that good in EDH, but the one's like these that can either get something useful for you or get rid of something you otherwise can't answer are definitely worth a look.
Agreed. If you have a way to recur it, Jester’s Cap can level the playing field nicely too.
I would also suggest running clever impersonator and phyrexian metamorph. Just copy his hexproof thing and darksteel forge...