I'm trying to get a list together using Jeskai colours to try and make a chaos control build.
I'm looking to run Ruhan of the Fomori as the general for theme and colours but underneath what I'm really running is a Lavinia, Azorius Renegade build that has access to red in order to use her ability to create completely one sided effects to control the board.
I'm not looking to create an annoying Grand Arbiter Augustin IV type of control deck. I hate that kind of control being played against me so need a slightly different way so settled on the idea of a chaos control build rather than all out control.
The Dream:
After creating the perfect deck list I'd like to create an almost group hug style draw using cards like dictate of kruphix and howling mine while Ruhan goes to town and creates a diversion
Then I hope to get Lavinia out and looking somewhat inoccuous in amongst other little hatebears like thalia, heretic cathar.
After that I'm looking to follow up with some kind of chaos enchantment like possibility storm or knowledge pool.
After that, a cheeky profaner of the dead saccing Ruhan and that should be game.
So.... Any thoughts on what cards might be good in a deck like this or perhaps some slightly inoffensive control cards that might work with what I'm trying to do?
Is possibility storm the main reason you are playing Red? I love Possibility storm but I don't love building a deck around a creature that is not your general while not having Green or Black to tutor the creature.
You will have to play the two recruiters, Imperial Recruiter and Recruiter of the Guard. After that I am not sure what you can do.
I think you should reconsider having Lavinia as your general.
I've always been apprehensive to play a pseudo-general for obvious reasons.
I've ear marked the two recruiters but I really don't want to have to run a 5 colour deck to make it work specifically because of the land base I'd need to get hold of.
Red's in there for a few things, mainly the chaos colour and randomness of it, but yeah, possibility storm is a real factor.
I worry that if I run Lavinia as the general it'll just end up another WU control deck which is what I'm looking to avoid. I'm not a control player and I find grinding the game to a shuddering halt really annoying. I thought by adding red into the mix I can keep it a bit fresher.
Im not saying there's anything wrong with playing control/stax, it's just not something I want to sit down at the table with unless it has some seriously heavy follow through into a win!
Lavinia is a bit controlling, but only really will do something if someone has a lot of mana rocks or mana dorks, or if someone is trying to cascade or otherwise cast spells for free.
The rest of the deck is up to you. But if you plan on playing Knowledge Pool, you might as well play other controlling spells.
Lavinia is a bit controlling, but only really will do something if someone has a lot of mana rocks or mana dorks, or if someone is trying to cascade or otherwise cast spells for free.
I think you should consider running Zedruu instead. If you’re using a bunch of global enchantments to draw, just donate them to your opponents and double draw. I have Lavinia as a card in my Zedruu pile of “if we’re going there” switches to crank up a deck’s meanness as I play all the cards mentioned as locks with her.
Don’t forget Dream Halls as a way to break symmetry with Lavinia as well.
Sometimes I wish it was more jeskai commanders around, but Zedruu will work for me for a blink deck with some trading around to use the effect from zedruu.
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EDH BGU Sidisi, Brood Tyrant - Lurking Zombies. GBG Sapling of Colfenor - Forest Growth and Destruction. RWU Zedruu the Greathearted - Blinking and trading. GWB Teneb the Harvester - Enchantments, you lose life I gain life. RRR Neheb the Eternal - Ping people for mana burn.
I'm looking to run Ruhan of the Fomori as the general for theme and colours but underneath what I'm really running is a Lavinia, Azorius Renegade build that has access to red in order to use her ability to create completely one sided effects to control the board.
I'm not looking to create an annoying Grand Arbiter Augustin IV type of control deck. I hate that kind of control being played against me so need a slightly different way so settled on the idea of a chaos control build rather than all out control.
The Dream:
After creating the perfect deck list I'd like to create an almost group hug style draw using cards like dictate of kruphix and howling mine while Ruhan goes to town and creates a diversion
Then I hope to get Lavinia out and looking somewhat inoccuous in amongst other little hatebears like thalia, heretic cathar.
After that I'm looking to follow up with some kind of chaos enchantment like possibility storm or knowledge pool.
After that, a cheeky profaner of the dead saccing Ruhan and that should be game.
So.... Any thoughts on what cards might be good in a deck like this or perhaps some slightly inoffensive control cards that might work with what I'm trying to do?
Edit: I'm not looking to warp world or scrambleverse!
EDH:
[Primer]C Kozilek, Butcher of Truth C
RGNikya of the Old WaysGR
Is possibility storm the main reason you are playing Red? I love Possibility storm but I don't love building a deck around a creature that is not your general while not having Green or Black to tutor the creature.
You will have to play the two recruiters, Imperial Recruiter and Recruiter of the Guard. After that I am not sure what you can do.
I think you should reconsider having Lavinia as your general.
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
I've ear marked the two recruiters but I really don't want to have to run a 5 colour deck to make it work specifically because of the land base I'd need to get hold of.
Red's in there for a few things, mainly the chaos colour and randomness of it, but yeah, possibility storm is a real factor.
I worry that if I run Lavinia as the general it'll just end up another WU control deck which is what I'm looking to avoid. I'm not a control player and I find grinding the game to a shuddering halt really annoying. I thought by adding red into the mix I can keep it a bit fresher.
Im not saying there's anything wrong with playing control/stax, it's just not something I want to sit down at the table with unless it has some seriously heavy follow through into a win!
EDH:
[Primer]C Kozilek, Butcher of Truth C
RGNikya of the Old WaysGR
Lavinia is a bit controlling, but only really will do something if someone has a lot of mana rocks or mana dorks, or if someone is trying to cascade or otherwise cast spells for free.
The rest of the deck is up to you. But if you plan on playing Knowledge Pool, you might as well play other controlling spells.
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
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Don’t forget Dream Halls as a way to break symmetry with Lavinia as well.
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8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
Sometimes I wish it was more jeskai commanders around, but Zedruu will work for me for a blink deck with some trading around to use the effect from zedruu.
BGU Sidisi, Brood Tyrant - Lurking Zombies.
GBG Sapling of Colfenor - Forest Growth and Destruction.
RWU Zedruu the Greathearted - Blinking and trading.
GWB Teneb the Harvester - Enchantments, you lose life I gain life.
RRR Neheb the Eternal - Ping people for mana burn.
If that’s really what you want, I suggest Teferi mage of Zalfir.