...I have a big mana Gonti, Lord of Luxury, very much centered around Gonti to begin with. So, yeah, that's the home unless I think of a worse one that also actually wants more of what the commander does. (Copies of Wrexial would be nice, but it wouldn't have the potential for quite as much stupid, for example.)
yea a friend of mine plays gonti, and managed to steal Helm with it. he then proceeded to make many token copies of gonti stealing more and more cards.
Make it much harder to stop Gishath trigger for more dinosaurs since two of them (and so on in so forth of however long it's equipped) are in play plus another route for 14+ cards
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
There's really no wrong answer here. This card would add value to every deck in this format, except maybe the dumb storm decks that have virtually no creatures. If this card doesn't add value to your deck, then your deck probably isn't right for this format.
There's really no wrong answer here. This card would add value to every deck in this format, except maybe the dumb storm decks that have virtually no creatures. If this card doesn't add value to your deck, then your deck probably isn't right for this format.
At CMC 3, equip 2, I would play it in most decks.
At CMC 4, equip 3, I would consider it for ~50% of decks.
At CMC 4, equip 5, it is worth playing in precisely three decks -
There's really no wrong answer here. This card would add value to every deck in this format, except maybe the dumb storm decks that have virtually no creatures. If this card doesn't add value to your deck, then your deck probably isn't right for this format.
At CMC 3, equip 2, I would play it in most decks.
At CMC 4, equip 3, I would consider it for ~50% of decks.
At CMC 4, equip 5, it is worth playing in precisely three decks -
There's really no wrong answer here. This card would add value to every deck in this format, except maybe the dumb storm decks that have virtually no creatures. If this card doesn't add value to your deck, then your deck probably isn't right for this format.
There's really no wrong answer here. This card would add value to every deck in this format, except maybe the dumb storm decks that have virtually no creatures. If this card doesn't add value to your deck, then your deck probably isn't right for this format.
Decidedly untrue, and unnecessarily insulting.
Yep. Many of them can use it, but if you have all activated abilities that don't require a t, you won't be wearing it yourself.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
There's really no wrong answer here. This card would add value to every deck in this format, except maybe the dumb storm decks that have virtually no creatures. If this card doesn't add value to your deck, then your deck probably isn't right for this format.
Decidedly untrue, and unnecessarily insulting.
Yep. Many of them can use it, but if you have all activated abilities that don't require a t, you won't be wearing it yourself.
Not true, if i your biggest creature is your general. i would get more than one of them.
There's really no wrong answer here. This card would add value to every deck in this format, except maybe the dumb storm decks that have virtually no creatures. If this card doesn't add value to your deck, then your deck probably isn't right for this format.
Decidedly untrue, and unnecessarily insulting.
Yep. Many of them can use it, but if you have all activated abilities that don't require a t, you won't be wearing it yourself.
Not true, if i your biggest creature is your general. i would get more than one of them.
Well, it depends. Most Voltron commanders won't gain any advantage; Commander damage doesn't work that way. Though Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon does, since he has infect; and Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, it really doesn't matter if each of them is doing 20 (or 40 or 80...) damage. Only the original Rafiq of the Many (or a creature with infect) will attack, but having one more instance of exalted is always nice.
Triggered abilities are also good. This is where something like Oloro, Ageless Ascetic shines: you can effectively pay 4 to for an Opportunity (and Alms Collector has no idea you're one of those bourgeois pigs he's always going on about to boot!) and blast each opponent? Or you now get to effectively shock each opponent who draws a card with Nekusar, the Mindrazer, and they're drawing at least three cards each turn. And that's just on one turn.
Replacement effects (again, thinking of Gisela, Blade of Goldnight) are an easy pick, if they do things like doubling.
Activated abilities are in a strange place. To put it bluntly, if they have a t ability, they can be effective. You can otherwise take advantage of the extra counters to tap things. (Say, using a myojin copy's divinity counters.) But you don't gain anything from an extra Heliod, God of the Sun: You don't get extra 2/1 tokens, and multiple instances of vigilance are redundant.
And of course "enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters" creatures (where X is related to the mana cost) like Mikaeus, the Lunarch and Marath, Will of the Wild can't be used. They'll just die. Or at least won't have +1/+1 counters.
All that said, you can still use it on your 99. For instance, Ghave, Guru of Spores can always use more aristocrats. And sliver decks can always use more abilities that stack (Harmonic Sliver, Dormant Sliver, any of the P/T boost slivers).
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
There's really no wrong answer here. This card would add value to every deck in this format, except maybe the dumb storm decks that have virtually no creatures. If this card doesn't add value to your deck, then your deck probably isn't right for this format.
Decidedly untrue, and unnecessarily insulting.
Yep. Many of them can use it, but if you have all activated abilities that don't require a t, you won't be wearing it yourself.
Not true, if i your biggest creature is your general. i would get more than one of them.
Well, it depends. Most Voltron commanders won't gain any advantage; Commander damage doesn't work that way. Though Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon does, since he has infect; and Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, it really doesn't matter if each of them is doing 20 (or 40 or 80...) damage. Only the original Rafiq of the Many (or a creature with infect) will attack, but having one more instance of exalted is always nice.
Triggered abilities are also good. This is where something like Oloro, Ageless Ascetic shines: you can effectively pay 4 to for an Opportunity (and Alms Collector has no idea you're one of those bourgeois pigs he's always going on about to boot!) and blast each opponent? Or you now get to effectively shock each opponent who draws a card with Nekusar, the Mindrazer, and they're drawing at least three cards each turn. And that's just on one turn.
Replacement effects (again, thinking of Gisela, Blade of Goldnight) are an easy pick, if they do things like doubling.
Activated abilities are in a strange place. To put it bluntly, if they have a t ability, they can be effective. You can otherwise take advantage of the extra counters to tap things. (Say, using a myojin copy's divinity counters.) But you don't gain anything from an extra Heliod, God of the Sun: You don't get extra 2/1 tokens, and multiple instances of vigilance are redundant.
And of course "enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters" creatures (where X is related to the mana cost) like Mikaeus, the Lunarch and Marath, Will of the Wild can't be used. They'll just die. Or at least won't have +1/+1 counters.
All that said, you can still use it on your 99. For instance, Ghave, Guru of Spores can always use more aristocrats. And sliver decks can always use more abilities that stack (Harmonic Sliver, Dormant Sliver, any of the P/T boost slivers).
mikaeus pumps as well though.
Great now I have to find another card to remove from ghave. I am 61/62 But I want to add triskelion, slimefoot and now helm. (but helm goes in dragons first)
I wouldn't remove either Trike or Slimefoot, though. They're both win conditions.
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I wouldn't remove either Trike or Slimefoot, though. They're both win conditions.
They are both in the deck. i ad to find card to remove for them, but then after playing the pre-release, I want to change my deck to a more fungus tribal with saproling theme and some "finsihers" (along with keeping Trike and Mickey) (Besides, Narset is gonna be my CEDH deck) I have Tribal Dragon and now I can go bakc to Tribal fungus. I like Fungus.
There's really no wrong answer here. This card would add value to every deck in this format, except maybe the dumb storm decks that have virtually no creatures. If this card doesn't add value to your deck, then your deck probably isn't right for this format.
At CMC 3, equip 2, I would play it in most decks.
At CMC 4, equip 3, I would consider it for ~50% of decks.
At CMC 4, equip 5, it is worth playing in precisely three decks -
It doesn't matter what the equip cost is and cmc I know it's big on both
However It's going to be a edh staple because this combos with eons of creatures
Plus you may just need to equipped it once.
And here's your worst mistake I see you already forgot about the most important type of cards in edh decks they are called ramp and mana rocks most particularly the one that's in almost every deck in existence that we like to call sol ring
As a matter of fact I get to test it now since I pulled the helmet at pre-release it almost won me a game
Just the thought of having my Sidisi, Brood Tyrant wearing Helm of the Host is making me drool. Havin an additional Sidisi entering every turn and attacking afterwards, each triggering the selfmill, which in turn spits out zombies for each Sidisi in play.... yisss please.
Pretty hard to pull off the 9 mana investment in decks that aren't big mana though, so this might stay a magical christmas land scenario.
It doesn't matter what the equip cost is and cmc I know it's big on both
However It's going to be a edh staple because this combos with eons of creatures
It costs nine mana.
Sure, you can stagger that cost over two turns, but doing so gives your opponents a full turn cycle to deal with it where it does absolutely nothing.
Elesh Norn, Tooth and Nail, Possessed Portal
Those are the things this is competing with, and it is loosing badly. Unless it provides an insurmountable advantage or immediate win with your Commander, it simply costs too much.
Actually, equipping a Helm of the Host to Elesh Norn sounds fun...
Bad, but fun.
It doesn't matter what the equip cost is and cmc I know it's big on both
However It's going to be a edh staple because this combos with eons of creatures
It costs nine mana.
Sure, you can stagger that cost over two turns, but doing so gives your opponents a full turn cycle to deal with it where it does absolutely nothing.
Elesh Norn, Tooth and Nail, Possessed Portal
Those are the things this is competing with, and it is loosing badly. Unless it provides an insurmountable advantage or immediate win with your Commander, it simply costs too much.
Actually, equipping a Helm of the Host to Elesh Norn sounds fun...
Bad, but fun.
i probably will equip elesh since she is in dragons. (Her and Shelodred, along with a Sakashima and clever impersonator, all other creatures are dragons)
helm actually helps so much of my deck, as i have so many legendary dragons.
It doesn't matter what the equip cost is and cmc I know it's big on both
However It's going to be a edh staple because this combos with eons of creatures
It costs nine mana.
Sure, you can stagger that cost over two turns, but doing so gives your opponents a full turn cycle to deal with it where it does absolutely nothing.
Elesh Norn, Tooth and Nail, Possessed Portal
Those are the things this is competing with, and it is loosing badly. Unless it provides an insurmountable advantage or immediate win with your Commander, it simply costs too much.
Actually, equipping a Helm of the Host to Elesh Norn sounds fun...
Bad, but fun.
This. The cost is split, but it's still a lot. I'd shoe it in to Gisa and Geralf if I thought I could justify the cost, but playing one spell in a turn isn't good enough. I could say the same for a few of my decks. 9 is a lot to pay, even split, for something that doesn't do anything on without another strong card on the field.
Find someway to cheat Helm of the Host onto the battlefield to equip onto Firesong and Sunspeaker to make multiple copies so that whenever you cast a white instant or sorcery spell to gain life the equipped creature's last ability triggers for each copy on the battlefield. So unless Firesong and Sunspeaker's last ability triggers only once and not for each copy created from Helm of the Host then I don't see this combo working.
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Find someway to cheat Helm of the Host onto the battlefield to equip onto Firesong and Sunspeaker to make multiple copies so that whenever you cast a white instant or sorcery spell to gain life the equipped creature's last ability triggers for each copy on the battlefield. So unless Firesong and Sunspeaker's last ability triggers only once and not for each copy created from Helm of the Host then I don't see this combo working.
the red spells having lifelike does not matter, but the second ability would trigger for each FS&SS you have.
yea a friend of mine plays gonti, and managed to steal Helm with it. he then proceeded to make many token copies of gonti stealing more and more cards.
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gishath, sun's avatar is my choice
Make it much harder to stop Gishath trigger for more dinosaurs since two of them (and so on in so forth of however long it's equipped) are in play plus another route for 14+ cards
The same can be said about the Ur-dragon
On phasing:
*SLAP*
Just leave you monster
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At CMC 3, equip 2, I would play it in most decks.
At CMC 4, equip 3, I would consider it for ~50% of decks.
At CMC 4, equip 5, it is worth playing in precisely three decks -
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Or would the just quaduple damage given?
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so with a few you can get to the point where damage is pointless sicne you prevent so much.
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Yep. Many of them can use it, but if you have all activated abilities that don't require a t, you won't be wearing it yourself.
On phasing:
Not true, if i your biggest creature is your general. i would get more than one of them.
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Well, it depends. Most Voltron commanders won't gain any advantage; Commander damage doesn't work that way. Though Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon does, since he has infect; and Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, it really doesn't matter if each of them is doing 20 (or 40 or 80...) damage. Only the original Rafiq of the Many (or a creature with infect) will attack, but having one more instance of exalted is always nice.
Static abilities that stack are always good. I wouldn't kick double Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer or Tolsimir Wolfblood or Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran out of my deck, though in Tolsimir's case, a second Tolsimir would be Dictate of Heliod or Wilt-Leaf Liege. The operative word here is "stack", by the way: Kemba, Kha Regent doesn't stack, for instance. Usually Anax and Cymede don't stack either. (Yes, strive exists, and yes, Incremental Growth exists, not that Anax and Cymede can use it, but those are exceptions.) Mikaeus, the Unhallowed doesn't work, double undying is redundant.
Triggered abilities are also good. This is where something like Oloro, Ageless Ascetic shines: you can effectively pay 4 to for an Opportunity (and Alms Collector has no idea you're one of those bourgeois pigs he's always going on about to boot!) and blast each opponent? Or you now get to effectively shock each opponent who draws a card with Nekusar, the Mindrazer, and they're drawing at least three cards each turn. And that's just on one turn.
Replacement effects (again, thinking of Gisela, Blade of Goldnight) are an easy pick, if they do things like doubling.
Activated abilities are in a strange place. To put it bluntly, if they have a t ability, they can be effective. You can otherwise take advantage of the extra counters to tap things. (Say, using a myojin copy's divinity counters.) But you don't gain anything from an extra Heliod, God of the Sun: You don't get extra 2/1 tokens, and multiple instances of vigilance are redundant.
And of course "enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters" creatures (where X is related to the mana cost) like Mikaeus, the Lunarch and Marath, Will of the Wild can't be used. They'll just die. Or at least won't have +1/+1 counters.
All that said, you can still use it on your 99. For instance, Ghave, Guru of Spores can always use more aristocrats. And sliver decks can always use more abilities that stack (Harmonic Sliver, Dormant Sliver, any of the P/T boost slivers).
On phasing:
Great now I have to find another card to remove from ghave. I am 61/62 But I want to add triskelion, slimefoot and now helm. (but helm goes in dragons first)
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I wouldn't remove either Trike or Slimefoot, though. They're both win conditions.
On phasing:
They are both in the deck. i ad to find card to remove for them, but then after playing the pre-release, I want to change my deck to a more fungus tribal with saproling theme and some "finsihers" (along with keeping Trike and Mickey) (Besides, Narset is gonna be my CEDH deck) I have Tribal Dragon and now I can go bakc to Tribal fungus. I like Fungus.
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*facepalm*
Will you people every get this right
It doesn't matter what the equip cost is and cmc I know it's big on both
However It's going to be a edh staple because this combos with eons of creatures
Plus you may just need to equipped it once.
And here's your worst mistake I see you already forgot about the most important type of cards in edh decks they are called ramp and mana rocks most particularly the one that's in almost every deck in existence that we like to call sol ring
As a matter of fact I get to test it now since I pulled the helmet at pre-release it almost won me a game
Pretty hard to pull off the 9 mana investment in decks that aren't big mana though, so this might stay a magical christmas land scenario.
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It costs nine mana.
Sure, you can stagger that cost over two turns, but doing so gives your opponents a full turn cycle to deal with it where it does absolutely nothing.
Elesh Norn, Tooth and Nail, Possessed Portal
Those are the things this is competing with, and it is loosing badly. Unless it provides an insurmountable advantage or immediate win with your Commander, it simply costs too much.
Actually, equipping a Helm of the Host to Elesh Norn sounds fun...
Bad, but fun.
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i probably will equip elesh since she is in dragons. (Her and Shelodred, along with a Sakashima and clever impersonator, all other creatures are dragons)
helm actually helps so much of my deck, as i have so many legendary dragons.
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This. The cost is split, but it's still a lot. I'd shoe it in to Gisa and Geralf if I thought I could justify the cost, but playing one spell in a turn isn't good enough. I could say the same for a few of my decks. 9 is a lot to pay, even split, for something that doesn't do anything on without another strong card on the field.
Find someway to cheat Helm of the Host onto the battlefield to equip onto Firesong and Sunspeaker to make multiple copies so that whenever you cast a white instant or sorcery spell to gain life the equipped creature's last ability triggers for each copy on the battlefield. So unless Firesong and Sunspeaker's last ability triggers only once and not for each copy created from Helm of the Host then I don't see this combo working.
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the red spells having lifelike does not matter, but the second ability would trigger for each FS&SS you have.
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