Sorry Mr. Hivelord but I have my 5 color tribal commander. Also I'm pretty sure most people see slivers as pure poison.
They're pretty poison. That whole 'can't get mad if it gets blown up' concept? Pretty much applies to any 99 cards you choose to put under the command of a Sliver legend.
Also I'm pretty sure most people see slivers as pure poison.
Pure poison? In what sense?
I think of slivers as being fairly casual. tribal decks that (mostly) have to dedicate actual cards to creating more bodies (i.e. not tokens) tend to be pretty underwhelming imo.
I think of slivers as being fairly casual. tribal decks that (mostly) have to dedicate actual cards to creating more bodies (i.e. not tokens) tend to be pretty underwhelming imo.
I just mean that ive never met someone who enjoyed playing against Slivers.
If I were to build 5 color good stuff I would use Hivelord as my commander. Indestructible means it will stick around after many board wipes.
I actually think he's the best 5 color goodstuff commander. I could only really see arguments for Child of Alara based on power level, as having apocalypse in the command zone is huge, but for it to be really effective you build around him, specifically ways to recur him from the yard and reliably sac him at instant speed. Hivelord gets better with Wraths, but you can just stick him at the top of any pile of junk and he will be as good as he can be outside of a Sliver deck.
Progenitus is twice the mana for twice the power and a similar ability. Better against targeted exile, which matters in this format, but worse against sweepers, which also matters. 5 is far better than 10 for mana, and that seals the deal in favor of Hivelord.
After that, what is there? O-Kagachi is underwhelming, and the other dragons want other dragons. Cromat is old school but weak, Sliver Queen is actually fairly strong but better in a control shell or tokens than good stuff, the other slivers are bad without slivers. Karona is bad, Atog Atog funny but bad unless you go Atog combo tribal, Reaper King is fun but needs scarecrows to be useful, and Genju needs to be house ruled.
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This one can make all those boardwipes worthless. (Well, not all. All Is Dust is pretty effective against slivers, as is Final Judgment. And, come to think of it, Mutilate. And Terminus. But, you know what I mean, the ones that damage or say "destroy" are worthless against slivers.)
This and the other four sliver legends each have their strengths and weaknesses. Sliver Legion is a sliver Coat of Arms and is probably the weakest, TBH. Ironically, Sliver Queen and Sliver Overlord have the most synergy with the Time Spiral slivers, with the queen pooping out tokens for Necrotic Sliver and Dormant Sliver, while the overlord can tutor up combos.
Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
I think of slivers as being fairly casual. tribal decks that (mostly) have to dedicate actual cards to creating more bodies (i.e. not tokens) tend to be pretty underwhelming imo.
I just mean that ive never met someone who enjoyed playing against Slivers.
This. In my fairly casual meta, even though we all intellectually know that Edgar or Mairsil or Daretti or Gitrog are more degenerate, Sliver decks tend to be public enemy #1 because of the nature of the beast.
- Your opponent has 1 sliver? Okay, fine, their board sucks -a lone sliver is borderline useless.
- Your opponent has 2 slivers? Okay, fine, nothing to sweat.
- Your opponent has 3 slivers? That's okay too...
- Oh man, the 4th sliver. Chances are they are now in a position of insurmountable advantage or have a board that's REALLY hard to deal with.
No tribe threatens to snowball like Slivers (at least, not prior to Edgar Markov's printing), so in our boardwipe-lite meta that means you have to nuke slivers fast before they take over. It's unfun for the players, but also unfun for the Slivers pilot as their deck occasionally wins archenemy but usually just crumbles under withering firepower.
Hivelord here is the supreme leader IF you're going to do it, since at least it shuts down most sweepers. Pair with a Hibernation Sliver and you're set.
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Well, I don't have to check if we've already done this one, cause it's new and boy is it shiny. Instant speed edict that scales to multiplayer and the length of the game? Who wouldn't play this?
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I've not playtested this, but there is no reason it should do anything else but massacre violently everything within its path with a bloodlust matched only by the most furious and degenerate of demons in the deepest pits of hell. Ascend should be ridiculously easy to hit in EDH, so go nuts. And it's an instant!
I've not playtested this, but there is no reason it should do anything else but massacre violently everything within its path with a bloodlust matched only by the most furious and degenerate of demons in the deepest pits of hell. Ascend should be ridiculously easy to hit in EDH, so go nuts. And it's an instant!
Well said.
What I love about this card is that City's Blessing actually provides a noticeable benefit. Way too often cards with these kinds of mechanics are subpar if you don't have the bonus and barely make it to decently average if you can get the conditions fulfilled. Granted, Ascend is a nice exception here, but see Thunderherd Migration for a good example from Rivals. And almost any Bloodthirst or Raid card ever.
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Still convinced the guy on Beseech the Queen is wearing a Mitra-type hat. Wake up sheeple!
Without ascend, I would still prefer Innocent Blood - yes it's symmetric and sorcery speed, but at one mana it's just so efficient. If you can get ascend reasonably quickly (so you're not just relying on hitting 10 land drops...) reliably, then I suspect this will be a pretty solid card. I definitely need to pick up one for my Chainer deck to test how it will perform.
Good alternative (or addition) to Innocent Blood for different kinds of decks. Interesting comparison between the two. Cost, timing, and scalibility differences.
I totally didn't realize they reprinted Innocent Blood in Explorers of Ixalan till just now.
Edit: Also confused about it's legality until I remembered that Explorers is that weird board game and not the first set in the block...
I haven't actually played any EDH since Rivals, but this is definitely going in Dralnu. I don't like Innocent Blood there because all too often I have exactly one creature in play, but this one is sweet. I'd consider playing it even without the ascend text, but that really pushes it over the edge, even in a deck like Dralnu that doesn't race to ten permanents incredibly fast.
I honestly have a hard time evaluating this card. With ascend, it basically destroys the worst half of each opponents' creatures. That's obviously powerful when opponents just have a lot of junk in play. Attempting to slay something important though is next to impossible unless its the only creature that opponent controls. Aside from the fact that this is an instant and that it doesn't hit your own boardstate, I think I would have a hard time justifying this over something like Damnation or Toxic Deluge if I wanted an efficient sweeper. Maybe best at home in some kind of aggressive Mardu deck?
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This card had people going nuts on reveal, but I imagine it's just okay. As noted, Innocent Blood is more powerful in a vacuum and Fleshbag Marauder is better for any deck that matters about zombies, creatures, or death triggers. It isn't really a sweeper either, and you're not far off casting Damnation or Toxic Deluge or Mutilate to do real work.
But, for an aggressive B/x deck that wants to keep the board free of chaff and can generate a huge board quickly, this card can be devastating. Edgar Markov can ascend quickly, aggressive Zombie/Goblin/Sliver builds like it since their army is usually Menace-ing. It's disgusting in Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest. Also even though ascending might be harder, I think all Toshiro Umezawa builds ought to run this; 50% or more such lists are running Tribute to Hunger, Diabolic Edict, and To the Slaughter and this card seems superior most of the time to all of those.
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You can't even. Got that joke out of the way. This guy is a pretty brutal finisher, locking half of decks down and swinging your whole team past any number of tokens.
Actually, my first joke was that the Eldrazi are odd.
He can be a beast in Stax.
I also like how the only even number on the card is 274. There's two 9s, an 11, a 17, and a 2015. It's too bad they didn't add or subtract a cycle of basic lands to bring us to 269 or 279.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
I don't. I looked at this last one ever since someone played this card against me I don't know how many times and I just don't get the joke. Am I just too darn serious here?
I don't. I looked at this last one ever since someone played this card against me I don't know how many times and I just don't get the joke. Am I just too darn serious here?
Because they can't cast even mana spells (or block). So they can't even.
As in the phrase "I can't even" which is commonly used as an abbreviation of the type of phrases that start with "I can't even..." such as "I can't even believe it" or "I can't even handle it" or etc.
One of the cards I acquired at some point because I wanted to play him/her somewhere, and now it just sits in my binder because I still haven't ound a deck for it yet.
Riku of Two Reflections - Copy, then copy again | Shattergang Brothers - Token Sac&Recur | Gahiji, Honored One - Multiple attack steps | Karametra, God of Harvests - Landfall, Creaturefall, Shroud | Ruhan of the Fomori - Stop hitting yourself | Zurgo Helmsmasher - Equipment&Wraths | Crosis, the Purger - Dragon Tribal Reanimator | Derevi, Empyrial Tactician - No stax, just tap and untap fun | Anafenza, the Foremost - Enduring Ideal Enchantress | Sharuum, the Hegemon - Sphinx Tribal Control | Noyan Dar - Spellslinger | The Mimeoplasm - Counterpalooza
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Still convinced the guy on Beseech the Queen is wearing a Mitra-type hat. Wake up sheeple!
They're pretty poison. That whole 'can't get mad if it gets blown up' concept? Pretty much applies to any 99 cards you choose to put under the command of a Sliver legend.
I think of slivers as being fairly casual. tribal decks that (mostly) have to dedicate actual cards to creating more bodies (i.e. not tokens) tend to be pretty underwhelming imo.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
I just mean that ive never met someone who enjoyed playing against Slivers.
I actually think he's the best 5 color goodstuff commander. I could only really see arguments for Child of Alara based on power level, as having apocalypse in the command zone is huge, but for it to be really effective you build around him, specifically ways to recur him from the yard and reliably sac him at instant speed. Hivelord gets better with Wraths, but you can just stick him at the top of any pile of junk and he will be as good as he can be outside of a Sliver deck.
Progenitus is twice the mana for twice the power and a similar ability. Better against targeted exile, which matters in this format, but worse against sweepers, which also matters. 5 is far better than 10 for mana, and that seals the deal in favor of Hivelord.
After that, what is there? O-Kagachi is underwhelming, and the other dragons want other dragons. Cromat is old school but weak, Sliver Queen is actually fairly strong but better in a control shell or tokens than good stuff, the other slivers are bad without slivers. Karona is bad, Atog Atog funny but bad unless you go Atog combo tribal, Reaper King is fun but needs scarecrows to be useful, and Genju needs to be house ruled.
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Step 1: Identify the problem. What aspect of Magic don't you like? Step 2: Find out how others deal with the problem. How do players deal with this aspect of the game when they run into it? Step 3: Do what those players do. Step 4: No more problem. Bonus: You are now better at Magic. Enjoy those extra wins!
This and the other four sliver legends each have their strengths and weaknesses. Sliver Legion is a sliver Coat of Arms and is probably the weakest, TBH. Ironically, Sliver Queen and Sliver Overlord have the most synergy with the Time Spiral slivers, with the queen pooping out tokens for Necrotic Sliver and Dormant Sliver, while the overlord can tutor up combos.
And don't forget your "generic tribal" cards like Brass Herald, Door of Destinies, Aphetto Dredging, Distant Melody, Mana Echoes, and Vanquisher's Banner.
On phasing:
This. In my fairly casual meta, even though we all intellectually know that Edgar or Mairsil or Daretti or Gitrog are more degenerate, Sliver decks tend to be public enemy #1 because of the nature of the beast.
- Your opponent has 1 sliver? Okay, fine, their board sucks -a lone sliver is borderline useless.
- Your opponent has 2 slivers? Okay, fine, nothing to sweat.
- Your opponent has 3 slivers? That's okay too...
- Oh man, the 4th sliver. Chances are they are now in a position of insurmountable advantage or have a board that's REALLY hard to deal with.
No tribe threatens to snowball like Slivers (at least, not prior to Edgar Markov's printing), so in our boardwipe-lite meta that means you have to nuke slivers fast before they take over. It's unfun for the players, but also unfun for the Slivers pilot as their deck occasionally wins archenemy but usually just crumbles under withering firepower.
Hivelord here is the supreme leader IF you're going to do it, since at least it shuts down most sweepers. Pair with a Hibernation Sliver and you're set.
RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR
WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
Well, I don't have to check if we've already done this one, cause it's new and boy is it shiny. Instant speed edict that scales to multiplayer and the length of the game? Who wouldn't play this?
Well said.
What I love about this card is that City's Blessing actually provides a noticeable benefit. Way too often cards with these kinds of mechanics are subpar if you don't have the bonus and barely make it to decently average if you can get the conditions fulfilled. Granted, Ascend is a nice exception here, but see Thunderherd Migration for a good example from Rivals. And almost any Bloodthirst or Raid card ever.
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I totally didn't realize they reprinted Innocent Blood in Explorers of Ixalan till just now.
Edit: Also confused about it's legality until I remembered that Explorers is that weird board game and not the first set in the block...
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WRGTana, the Bloodsower & Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa partners weenie tokens
UUnesh, Criosphinx Sovereign Sphinx tribal
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But, for an aggressive B/x deck that wants to keep the board free of chaff and can generate a huge board quickly, this card can be devastating. Edgar Markov can ascend quickly, aggressive Zombie/Goblin/Sliver builds like it since their army is usually Menace-ing. It's disgusting in Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest. Also even though ascending might be harder, I think all Toshiro Umezawa builds ought to run this; 50% or more such lists are running Tribute to Hunger, Diabolic Edict, and To the Slaughter and this card seems superior most of the time to all of those.
RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR
WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
You can't even. Got that joke out of the way. This guy is a pretty brutal finisher, locking half of decks down and swinging your whole team past any number of tokens.
He can be a beast in Stax.
I also like how the only even number on the card is 274. There's two 9s, an 11, a 17, and a 2015. It's too bad they didn't add or subtract a cycle of basic lands to bring us to 269 or 279.
On phasing:
I don't. I looked at this last one ever since someone played this card against me I don't know how many times and I just don't get the joke. Am I just too darn serious here?
As in the phrase "I can't even" which is commonly used as an abbreviation of the type of phrases that start with "I can't even..." such as "I can't even believe it" or "I can't even handle it" or etc.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
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