Thousand Year Elixir is worth mentioning. It's not really worth caging, but it allows tap abilities.
That being said how about actual strategy for what to do. Let's start with say Buried Alive as it gives you 3 cage targets to work with. If you have 4 lands, Mairsil and cast Buried Alive with no GY or hand what do you go for?
Izzet Chemister - This guy is very interesting. His second ability says cards, not instants and sorceries. Now it only applies to things exiled with our current instance of our commander but if he has exiled things with other abilities like immortal coil we can recast those. Something to keep in mind, there's other cards like this too.
Just want to note, this doesn't work like you want it to. The Chemister's third ability only looks at cards exiled by its second ability, because they're linked abilities. It can't find any other cards you exiled with Marsil, so there's no cheating that way.
I'm aware. I said this, see the bolded part. However I was pointing out that if we have grabbed other abilities that let us exile cards (like Immortal Coil for example), the chemister will let us cast those. Anything we have exiled with the current instance of our commander is up for grabs, no matter how it got there.
Izzet Chemister - This guy is very interesting. His second ability says cards, not instants and sorceries. Now it only applies to things exiled with our current instance of our commander but if he has exiled things with other abilities like immortal coil we can recast those. Something to keep in mind, there's other cards like this too.
Just want to note, this doesn't work like you want it to. The Chemister's third ability only looks at cards exiled by its second ability, because they're linked abilities. It can't find any other cards you exiled with Marsil, so there's no cheating that way.
I'm aware. I said this, see the bolded part. However I was pointing out that if we have grabbed other abilities that let us exile cards (like Immortal Coil for example), the chemister will let us cast those. Anything we have exiled with the current instance of our commander is up for grabs, no matter how it got there.
This is incorrect. As wallycaine said the two abilities are linked abilities which means that only cards exiled by that second ability are castable by that third ability.
Spellskite isn't a great ability to cage on it's own, but it plays very nicely with a lot of the defensive options you might already want to be running: Torchling to send spells aimed at anything on board to a target of your choice or Aetherling/Morphling/other shroud/hexproof ability to fizzle them. Decent defensive card when not caged too.
Eater of the Dead has probably found a home here too. Untap + GY hate for no mana.
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Bring stuff back from exile (and as noted before, remember, these cards only apply to things exiled with the current instance of Mairsil) Pyxis of Pandemonium - Awesome lol Shell of the Last Kappa - It protects us too! Synod Sanctum - We get everything, even opponents stuff we exiled Muse Vessel - We have to pay for it but we can play opponents stuff too.
Things I'm confused about lol Shorecrasher Elemental - I think we come back face down and are stuck right? Or does the game know that we can morph since we have those activated abilities? Pretty sure we're stuck face down but wanted to check.
Izzet Chemister - This guy is very interesting. His second ability says cards, not instants and sorceries. Now it only applies to things exiled with our current instance of our commander but if he has exiled things with other abilities like immortal coil we can recast those. Something to keep in mind, there's other cards like this too.
Just want to note, this doesn't work like you want it to. The Chemister's third ability only looks at cards exiled by its second ability, because they're linked abilities. It can't find any other cards you exiled with Marsil, so there's no cheating that way.
I'm aware. I said this, see the bolded part. However I was pointing out that if we have grabbed other abilities that let us exile cards (like Immortal Coil for example), the chemister will let us cast those. Anything we have exiled with the current instance of our commander is up for grabs, no matter how it got there.
This is incorrect. As wallycaine said the two abilities are linked abilities which means that only cards exiled by that second ability are castable by that third ability.
Why are they linked? It doesn't say that at all. Here's the text
Haste
R, t: Exile target instant or sorcery from your graveyard.
1R, t, Sacrifice ~: Cast any number of cards exiled with ~ without paying their mana costs.
All it says is cast any number of cards exiled with this thing. It doesn't specify anything about how they got exiled. Just that they are cards and this guy exiled them.
[EDIT] You guys realize I'm saying cage the Chemister with Mairsil right? I'm not saying have mairsil exile a bunch of guys, then play chemister, then try and cast the stuff mairsil exiled. I'm saying Mairsil cages the chemister, then uses the ability that he now has to recast cards he himself has exiled, either via his ETB or other abilities he has picked up.
Izzet Chemister - This guy is very interesting. His second ability says cards, not instants and sorceries. Now it only applies to things exiled with our current instance of our commander but if he has exiled things with other abilities like immortal coil we can recast those. Something to keep in mind, there's other cards like this too.
Just want to note, this doesn't work like you want it to. The Chemister's third ability only looks at cards exiled by its second ability, because they're linked abilities. It can't find any other cards you exiled with Marsil, so there's no cheating that way.
I'm aware. I said this, see the bolded part. However I was pointing out that if we have grabbed other abilities that let us exile cards (like Immortal Coil for example), the chemister will let us cast those. Anything we have exiled with the current instance of our commander is up for grabs, no matter how it got there.
This is incorrect. As wallycaine said the two abilities are linked abilities which means that only cards exiled by that second ability are castable by that third ability.
Why are they linked? It doesn't say that at all. Here's the text
Haste
R, t: Exile target instant or sorcery from your graveyard.
1R, t, Sacrifice ~: Cast any number of cards exiled with ~ without paying their mana costs.
All it says is cast any number of cards exiled with this thing. It doesn't specify anything about how they got exiled. Just that they are cards and this guy exiled them.
[EDIT] You guys realize I'm saying cage the Chemister with Mairsil right? I'm not saying have mairsil exile a bunch of guys, then play chemister, then try and cast the stuff mairsil exiled. I'm saying Mairsil cages the chemister, then uses the ability that he now has to recast cards he himself has exiled, either via his ETB or other abilities he has picked up.
Basically when a card has two abilities that reference each other such as with Chemister having one ability to exile cards and a second ability to cast cards exiled by chemister they are considered linked abilities and can only reference each other. Yes it is a very weird thing in magic and it doesn't come up very often, but in EDH it comes up with things like Dark Imposter
Little trickier then you might be giving it credit for. That which was taken gives him an activated ability that lets him put a divinity counter on any permanent besides himself. So if you caged myojin as well you'd get myojin's ability but wouldn't have any way to add a divinity counter to Mairsil. You could cheat myojin into play though and go to town, or play that which was taken and cage the myojin. But can't cage both.
Someone correct me if my logic is wrong here, but this should work as Taleran intends...
That Which Was Taken refers to itself. It can put a counter on another That Which Was Taken, according to the Ruling. It's also NAMED as itself, rather than worded as THIS PERMANENT, so the activation can target Mairsil, as it doesn't refer to itself and Mairsil =\= That Which Was Taken... So activating him as a Taken, and removing them as Myojins should work.
The list of activated cage targets might be getting long, but are there any reliable ways of winning the game here? The wincons that have been listed so far would be
1.Tree of Perdition to put an opponent to 4 life
2.Quicksilver elemental on our Mairsil with a caged untap ability (Torchling) and a caged mana ability (Gilded Lotus) to produce infinite mana
3. Aetherling's unblockable to win with commander damage
4. Simply use Mairsil as a flexible tool to kill creatures and draw cards, win regularly through combat
To be honest none of these get me particularly excited, the Tree of Perdition kill seems like the cleanest and easiest way of going about it though
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage can dish out the final damage after the person's life is low, and I also listed Dragon Whisperer who could let you attack and/or creature dragon tokens.
Out of curiosity: Is there a way to make Mairsil a non-creature? I got a crazy idea where he could exile equipments from hand/grave then make himself the ultimate equipment... except being creature would nullify that. Thoughts?
That Which Was Taken refers to itself. It can put a counter on another That Which Was Taken, according to the Ruling. It's also NAMED as itself, rather than worded as THIS PERMANENT, so the activation can target Mairsil, as it doesn't refer to itself and Mairsil =\= That Which Was Taken... So activating him as a Taken, and removing them as Myojins should work.
I believe you can put divinity counter on another permanent because the name refers to itself.
Little trickier then you might be giving it credit for. That which was taken gives him an activated ability that lets him put a divinity counter on any permanent besides himself. So if you caged myojin as well you'd get myojin's ability but wouldn't have any way to add a divinity counter to Mairsil. You could cheat myojin into play though and go to town, or play that which was taken and cage the myojin. But can't cage both.
Someone correct me if my logic is wrong here, but this should work as Taleran intends...
That Which Was Taken refers to itself. It can put a counter on another That Which Was Taken, according to the Ruling. It's also NAMED as itself, rather than worded as THIS PERMANENT, so the activation can target Mairsil, as it doesn't refer to itself and Mairsil =\= That Which Was Taken... So activating him as a Taken, and removing them as Myojins should work.
In this case Mairsil is the That Which is Taken the ability is referring to that is how for example Pack Rat works.
You can still have either piece caged and have it work though however both doesn't work.
Little trickier then you might be giving it credit for. That which was taken gives him an activated ability that lets him put a divinity counter on any permanent besides himself. So if you caged myojin as well you'd get myojin's ability but wouldn't have any way to add a divinity counter to Mairsil. You could cheat myojin into play though and go to town, or play that which was taken and cage the myojin. But can't cage both.
Someone correct me if my logic is wrong here, but this should work as Taleran intends...
That Which Was Taken refers to itself. It can put a counter on another That Which Was Taken, according to the Ruling. It's also NAMED as itself, rather than worded as THIS PERMANENT, so the activation can target Mairsil, as it doesn't refer to itself and Mairsil =\= That Which Was Taken... So activating him as a Taken, and removing them as Myojins should work.
It does not. When it references that which was taken it simply means 'this permanent' that is why you are able to put a divinity counter on another that which was taken because it is not the same permanent. If Mariel exiled a that which was taken she would have the ability Put a Divinity counter on target permanent other than Mairsil, The Pretender.
Basically when a card has two abilities that reference each other such as with Chemister having one ability to exile cards and a second ability to cast cards exiled by chemister they are considered linked abilities and can only reference each other. Yes it is a very weird thing in magic and it doesn't come up very often, but in EDH it comes up with things like Dark Imposter
Well I'll be damned. Ok I stand corrected, was not aware of that. I guess most of those bring back from exile tricks I mentioned are out then as well. Learn something new every day, sorry about that. Thanks for the info!
Gilded Lotus + Deadeye Navigator = infinite mana + infinite blinks.
There's also a blue/black wizard with an untap ability (the untap symbol as a cost) that does something, would also allow for ininite mana.
Of course infinite mana can win in and of itself but it would be in style to just use it to pay for untap effects of a caged Morphling.
Also, if you have something to give Mairsil lifelink then he would love to cage an Aetherflux Reservoir.
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Wow, thinking of this is making my head spin. Can you image being the poor soul trying to encode this on MTGO...
My question is Helm of Obedience..., nevermind that's a lot of pieces to blink, haste, tap for infinite mana.
That I don't understand. Doesn't he only get to copy activated abilities? I thought Soulbound were a triggered ability, so without it triggering when Mairsil enters the battlefield, it should't work...
If you control Deadeye and Mairsil can tap for 3 mana then you're good to go.
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That being said how about actual strategy for what to do. Let's start with say Buried Alive as it gives you 3 cage targets to work with. If you have 4 lands, Mairsil and cast Buried Alive with no GY or hand what do you go for?
I'm aware. I said this, see the bolded part. However I was pointing out that if we have grabbed other abilities that let us exile cards (like Immortal Coil for example), the chemister will let us cast those. Anything we have exiled with the current instance of our commander is up for grabs, no matter how it got there.
This is incorrect. As wallycaine said the two abilities are linked abilities which means that only cards exiled by that second ability are castable by that third ability.
Eater of the Dead has probably found a home here too. Untap + GY hate for no mana.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Pestilence Demon and Crypt Rats - Wrath
Pestilence Souleater - No mana infect
Phyrexian Devourer - This is awesome. Read the oracle text, the 7 power part is not in the ability anymore. We just keep growing and growing.
Razaketh, the Foulblooded - Well need other creatures but that's pretty awesome
Sage of Hours - Is there enough +1/+1 counter stuff for this? If so could be a combo without needing quicksilver elemental or blink
Shauku, Endbringer - Wow, that's real mean
Visara the Dreadful - Simple, painful
Wall of Blood - Combos with quicksilver elemental
Yahenni, Undying Partisan - Indestructible. Though definitely a cost
Morphling - All the things
Nevinyrral's Disk - Is this on the list? it needs to be
Ovinomancer - Bounce ourselves as a cost and take something out as we go
Bring stuff back from exile (and as noted before, remember, these cards only apply to things exiled with the current instance of Mairsil)
Pyxis of Pandemonium - Awesome lol
Shell of the Last Kappa - It protects us too!
Synod Sanctum - We get everything, even opponents stuff we exiled
Muse Vessel - We have to pay for it but we can play opponents stuff too.
Someone mentioned switching power and toughness for Tree of Perdition, got a few of those:
Phantasmal Fiend
Turtleshell Changeling
Merfolk Thaumaturgist
Things I'm confused about lol
Shorecrasher Elemental - I think we come back face down and are stuck right? Or does the game know that we can morph since we have those activated abilities? Pretty sure we're stuck face down but wanted to check.
Why are they linked? It doesn't say that at all. Here's the text
Haste
R, t: Exile target instant or sorcery from your graveyard.
1R, t, Sacrifice ~: Cast any number of cards exiled with ~ without paying their mana costs.
All it says is cast any number of cards exiled with this thing. It doesn't specify anything about how they got exiled. Just that they are cards and this guy exiled them.
[EDIT] You guys realize I'm saying cage the Chemister with Mairsil right? I'm not saying have mairsil exile a bunch of guys, then play chemister, then try and cast the stuff mairsil exiled. I'm saying Mairsil cages the chemister, then uses the ability that he now has to recast cards he himself has exiled, either via his ETB or other abilities he has picked up.
Keep the list going. :3
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Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
This link covers linked abilities
https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Linked_abilities
Basically when a card has two abilities that reference each other such as with Chemister having one ability to exile cards and a second ability to cast cards exiled by chemister they are considered linked abilities and can only reference each other. Yes it is a very weird thing in magic and it doesn't come up very often, but in EDH it comes up with things like Dark Imposter
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Someone correct me if my logic is wrong here, but this should work as Taleran intends...
That Which Was Taken refers to itself. It can put a counter on another That Which Was Taken, according to the Ruling. It's also NAMED as itself, rather than worded as THIS PERMANENT, so the activation can target Mairsil, as it doesn't refer to itself and Mairsil =\= That Which Was Taken... So activating him as a Taken, and removing them as Myojins should work.
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage can dish out the final damage after the person's life is low, and I also listed Dragon Whisperer who could let you attack and/or creature dragon tokens.
Out of curiosity: Is there a way to make Mairsil a non-creature? I got a crazy idea where he could exile equipments from hand/grave then make himself the ultimate equipment... except being creature would nullify that. Thoughts?
I believe you can put divinity counter on another permanent because the name refers to itself.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
In this case Mairsil is the That Which is Taken the ability is referring to that is how for example Pack Rat works.
You can still have either piece caged and have it work though however both doesn't work.
It does not. When it references that which was taken it simply means 'this permanent' that is why you are able to put a divinity counter on another that which was taken because it is not the same permanent. If Mariel exiled a that which was taken she would have the ability Put a Divinity counter on target permanent other than Mairsil, The Pretender.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Well I'll be damned. Ok I stand corrected, was not aware of that. I guess most of those bring back from exile tricks I mentioned are out then as well. Learn something new every day, sorry about that. Thanks for the info!
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Like Necrotic Ooze gifting him the ability changes all that around, like Arcanis or Pack Rat it basically overwrites once it is inside the cage
Blighted Bat
Jawbone Skulkin
Marchesa's Smuggler
Rage Weaver
Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
Skyship Stalker
Whip Sergeant
And if you have access to snow mana:
Goblin Rimerunner
Thermopod
There's also a blue/black wizard with an untap ability (the untap symbol as a cost) that does something, would also allow for ininite mana.
Of course infinite mana can win in and of itself but it would be in style to just use it to pay for untap effects of a caged Morphling.
Also, if you have something to give Mairsil lifelink then he would love to cage an Aetherflux Reservoir.
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My question is Helm of Obedience..., nevermind that's a lot of pieces to blink, haste, tap for infinite mana.
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