We had hopes for Leovold and gave him every opportunity to prove that he would be strong but safe in the format. He simply wasn’t. Leovold violates the tenet of creating undesirable game states by easily locking other players out of the game. We prefer to encourage situations in which everyone gets to play, and it’s too easy for Leovold to create the opposite, even unintentionally.
On the other hand, we feel as though it’s time to let Protean Hulk off the leash. A number of factors led to this decision. Support within the community has been tilting toward Protean Hulk for quite some time. Inside the Rules Committee, we have been leaning in that direction for a while as well, but didn’t have enough of a consensus. Now we do. We acknowledge that the card will be strong, but are of the opinion that it won’t be the centralizing factor it once would have been. Back when Protean Hulk was banned, both creatures and graveyard control were nowhere near as strong as they are today. We know combo possibilities exist with the card, but they need to be specifically built around, so to us it becomes a great value card instead of a dangerous combo piece in casual environments. We suspect that Protean Hulk will be much like Kokusho, the Evening Star when it was unbanned: powerful but not broken in the current Commander landscape.
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I'm glad they unbanned Hulk. I don't particularly care about Leovold though since it's not something I'd play myself and was pretty indifferent to playing against it.
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I don't think I ever had the honor of playing against Leovold, somehow.
Yay hulk though. Glint-Eye will be reanimating the thing a few times for fun & value.
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if you want to use flash, it requires 4 colors. all combo pieces are within abzan colors though
But you could also just get Grand Architect, Pili-Pala, and Sylvan Safekeeper in UG. Cast Flash during your last opponent's end step, then untap and win with infinite mana with protection against creature spot removal. Thrasios, Triton Hero in the command zone would be ideal for this. Or I guess you could get some outlet for infinite mana instead of Sylvan Safekeeper.
if you want to use flash, it requires 4 colors. all combo pieces are within abzan colors though
But you could also just get Grand Architect, Pili-Pala, and Sylvan Safekeeper in UG. Cast Flash during your last opponent's end step, then untap and win with infinite mana with protection against creature spot removal. Thrasios, Triton Hero in the command zone would be ideal for this. Or I guess you could get some outlet for infinite mana instead of Sylvan Safekeeper.
didnt even think about that, forgot about just making infinite mana. but, if your commander is not inclusive to the combo, you still need to be in abzan as far as i can tell
Yeah not looking forward to green based combo to become even stronger in my meta.
I don't really understand reactions like this. Tooth and Nail has been a thing for how long? How is Protean Hulk somehow worse? So long as instant-win combos are a thing anyway, might as well unban the Hulk so the same players who use T&N fairly can play with Hulk fairly as well.
Most definitely. It's selling out very rapidly online.
It's already pretty close to the point where you want to just wait for things to settle if you don't have one yet. As of about an hour after the announcement, I'm seeing them pop up in the $3-5 range occasionally, and they sell out almost as quickly as it happens. Looks like people are a little slower on the $7-8 ones. They're going to be high for a while while the EDH population devours supply.
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Got mine at 4.70$. The first site I tried sold out 12 copies (or pulled them) before I could checkout. The second site went from 8 to 2 copies by the time I checked out.
I don't look forward to making a cut from Karador but this card is too good not to play in the deck.
So, now that this is unbanned, does that mean we aren't allowed to complain about T&N?
It's already pretty close to the point where you want to just wait for things to settle if you don't have one yet. As of about an hour after the announcement, I'm seeing them pop up in the $3-5 range occasionally, and they sell out almost as quickly as it happens. Looks like people are a little slower on the $7-8 ones. They're going to be high for a while while the EDH population devours supply.
Follow up, roughly 30 minutes after the first post: cheap domestic options in the US look like a low price of $15 or so. If you didn't get it already, there's really no reason not to wait a couple weeks and hope the price falls.
I was lucky enough to pick up a couple for $4 and change. Tried to get a couple spares from there and had no luck on about 10 attempts.
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But if this is for real
THANK GOD LEOVOLD IS GONE
and serious? protean hulk unbanned that's a instant win in edh you can get the creatures you need in a situation.
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Yay hulk though. Glint-Eye will be reanimating the thing a few times for fun & value.
if you want to use flash, it requires 4 colors. all combo pieces are within abzan colors though
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But you could also just get Grand Architect, Pili-Pala, and Sylvan Safekeeper in UG. Cast Flash during your last opponent's end step, then untap and win with infinite mana with protection against creature spot removal. Thrasios, Triton Hero in the command zone would be ideal for this. Or I guess you could get some outlet for infinite mana instead of Sylvan Safekeeper.
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didnt even think about that, forgot about just making infinite mana. but, if your commander is not inclusive to the combo, you still need to be in abzan as far as i can tell
there are already very few copies left on tcgplayer. i reccomend just buying one now to not risk it
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Most definitely. It's selling out very rapidly online.
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I don't really understand reactions like this. Tooth and Nail has been a thing for how long? How is Protean Hulk somehow worse? So long as instant-win combos are a thing anyway, might as well unban the Hulk so the same players who use T&N fairly can play with Hulk fairly as well.
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Off the top of my head I only know of the Grand Architect + Pili-Pala one mentioned above, and the 5 colour one with Body Double, Viscera Seer, Reveillark, and Mogg Fanatic.
I saw some people above mention an Abzan colours combo? Wuzzat?
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I don't look forward to making a cut from Karador but this card is too good not to play in the deck.
So, now that this is unbanned, does that mean we aren't allowed to complain about T&N?
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
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Hulk will probably pop-up as a value play since green is used frequently by a couple of our guys, but I don't expect any combos honestly.
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I was lucky enough to pick up a couple for $4 and change. Tried to get a couple spares from there and had no luck on about 10 attempts.
He was very powerful and ultimately not fun to play against in most circles.
I'm disappointed about Protean Hulk being unbanned. Just what the format needs, more tutors and more combos... sigh.
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