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APRIL 24, 2017
BANNED Leovold, Emissary of Trest
UNBANNED Protean Hulk
RULES No changes.
We had hopes for Leovold and gave him every opportunity to prove that he would be strong but safe in the format. He simply wasn’t. Leovold violates the tenet of creating undesirable game states by easily locking other players out of the game. We prefer to encourage situations in which everyone gets to play, and it’s too easy for Leovold to create the opposite, even unintentionally.
On the other hand, we feel as though it’s time to let Protean Hulk off the leash. A number of factors led to this decision. Support within the community has been tilting toward Protean Hulk for quite some time. Inside the Rules Committee, we have been leaning in that direction for a while as well, but didn’t have enough of a consensus. Now we do. We acknowledge that the card will be strong, but are of the opinion that it won’t be the centralizing factor it once would have been. Back when Protean Hulk was banned, both creatures and graveyard control were nowhere near as strong as they are today. We know combo possibilities exist with the card, but they need to be specifically built around, so to us it becomes a great value card instead of a dangerous combo piece in casual environments. We suspect that Protean Hulk will be much like Kokusho, the Evening Star when it was unbanned: powerful but not broken in the current Commander landscape.
Quote from Incanur »Out of curiosity, what's the easiest way to combo with Protean Hulk and Flash now? Does it still require four colors?
Quote from bfrie »if you want to use flash, it requires 4 colors. all combo pieces are within abzan colors though
Quote from Incanur »Quote from bfrie »if you want to use flash, it requires 4 colors. all combo pieces are within abzan colors though
But you could also just get Grand Architect, Pili-Pala, and Sylvan Safekeeper in UG. Cast Flash during your last opponent's end step, then untap and win with infinite mana with protection against creature spot removal. Thrasios, Triton Hero in the command zone would be ideal for this. Or I guess you could get some outlet for infinite mana instead of Sylvan Safekeeper.
Quote from Dunharrow »Is Protean Hulk's price likely to spike? I don't want to buy one online but I might have to to save money.
Quote from Sheldon »You're the reason we can't have nice things.
Quote from Ryperior74 »and serious? protean hulk unbanned that's a instant win in edh you can get the creatures you need in a situation.
Quote from bfrie »"hey, here is a creature that you can use to tutor all your combo pieces to the field at once"
Quote from Schreckstoff »Yeah not looking forward to green based combo to become even stronger in my meta.
Quote from Sheldon »Paradox Engine is a more defensive card.
Quote from bfrie »there are already very few copies left on tcgplayer. i reccomend just buying one now to not risk it
Quote from cryogen »
Most definitely. It's selling out very rapidly online.
Quote from Weebo »It's already pretty close to the point where you want to just wait for things to settle if you don't have one yet. As of about an hour after the announcement, I'm seeing them pop up in the $3-5 range occasionally, and they sell out almost as quickly as it happens. Looks like people are a little slower on the $7-8 ones. They're going to be high for a while while the EDH population devours supply.