You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
If it is a turn 1 entomb with a turn 2 animate dead, Ob Nixilis, Unshackled. Shackling green and tutor happy players all day every day, gotta love those expensive fetches opponents play.
If it is a turn 1 entomb with a turn 2 animate dead, Ob Nixilis, Unshackled. Shackling green and tutor happy players all day every day, gotta love those expensive fetches opponents play.
Then your fair, non explosive three card play (Entomb < Animate Dead < Ob Nixilis, Unshackled) gets blown out by a Dismember, Swords to Plowshares, or Nature's Claim. And your play doesn't even prevent me from searching. If you're gonna commit so many cards to this line of play, you better make sure your decision will either win you the game next turn, or create strong card advantage to recoup the cards lost in putting this together.
But hey. Don't let me stop you...I'm just saying I'd love to play against you if that's the best you've got. Keep on hating my "expensive fetches" though.
If it is a turn 1 entomb with a turn 2 animate dead, Ob Nixilis, Unshackled. Shackling green and tutor happy players all day every day, gotta love those expensive fetches opponents play.
Then your fair, non explosive three card play (Entomb < Animate Dead < Ob Nixilis, Unshackled) gets blown out by a Dismember, Swords to Plowshares, or Nature's Claim. And your play doesn't even prevent me from searching. If you're gonna commit so many cards to this line of play, you better make sure your decision will either win you the game next turn, or create strong card advantage to recoup the cards lost in putting this together.
But hey. Don't let me stop you...I'm just saying I'd love to play against you if that's the best you've got. Keep on hating my "expensive fetches" though.
By all means kill him, since I can get have the luck to get entomb and animate dead other players can also have the luck to get a card that counters it. In my playgroup most of the time players want to dispose of him yet reluctant to as it helps neuter tutor strategies of their opponents too. It is like a "free prison card" that acts in favor for them as long as they themselves don't tutor much. A fairly good political card I would say as compared to others like Braids, Hokori or Iona.
Speaking of which, the 'dies to whatever' argument holds true to every other creature. There are so many bounce/exile/destroy/sacrifice effects which 90+% of the creatures in EDH aren't immune to.
Gotta love Ob Nixilis though, especially the look on opponent's face when he cast Tempt with Discovery, only to be met with a "Choto Matta!(Wait)", entomb+necromancy with the entire table saying "Yes, I'm tempted".
Speaking of which, the 'dies to whatever' argument holds true to every other creature. There are so many bounce/exile/destroy/sacrifice effects which 90+% of the creatures in EDH aren't immune to.
This isn't the point. Ob Nix "dies to removal" b/c he doesn't create any intrinsic value just by being cheated out so early. Sun Time at least got back a fetchland for you. G-Time at least left behind four power for you. P-Time at least...oh right. Jin Gitaxias gives a draw7 in combination with a Mind Twist for everyone else. An Eldrazi (like It That Betrays) has the same weakness as Ob Nix, but at least it will win if you untap with it.
If you're gonna go all-in on such a strat, get some value out of it so you're not so soft to removal. That's what my point was, and why I said Ob Nix is only a meh Entomb target.
There are plenty of reasons to not get Jin when you entomb
He's in your hand.
He's already in your grave.
He's already on board.
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Speaking of which, the 'dies to whatever' argument holds true to every other creature. There are so many bounce/exile/destroy/sacrifice effects which 90+% of the creatures in EDH aren't immune to.
This isn't the point. Ob Nix "dies to removal" b/c he doesn't create any intrinsic value just by being cheated out so early. Sun Time at least got back a fetchland for you. G-Time at least left behind four power for you. P-Time at least...oh right. Jin Gitaxias gives a draw7 in combination with a Mind Twist for everyone else. An Eldrazi (like It That Betrays) has the same weakness as Ob Nix, but at least it will win if you untap with it.
If you're gonna go all-in on such a strat, get some value out of it so you're not so soft to removal. That's what my point was, and why I said Ob Nix is only a meh Entomb target.
Yep I understand the value of having an immediate effect that you can count on. It really depends on what the meta is and how the game goes. The question asked by TS is what favorite card to you like to tutor for and not what target is most efficient with entomb. Every game plays differently, some games I entomb for an E.witness to reanimate and get back entomb to get another target, others I entomb for a wincon like Triskelion for the Mikaeus.
It just happens that my favorite card with entomb is Ob Nixilis, cuz it is fun to actually kill with it via interesting combos like Fertilid, Collective Voyage
Strip Mine for Crucible or Wonder to get air support. I generally don't use Entomb though as it is more work winning from the graveyard over just killing them.
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Strip Mine for Crucible or Wonder to get air support. I generally don't use Entomb though as it is more work winning from the graveyard over just killing them.
I don't know man, I tend to find it a lot easier to win when my opponents lose their hands on turn two or I combo out of my graveyard on turn three or four.
Whether or not it's more fun, is debatable definitely though
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Then your fair, non explosive three card play (Entomb < Animate Dead < Ob Nixilis, Unshackled) gets blown out by a Dismember, Swords to Plowshares, or Nature's Claim. And your play doesn't even prevent me from searching. If you're gonna commit so many cards to this line of play, you better make sure your decision will either win you the game next turn, or create strong card advantage to recoup the cards lost in putting this together.
But hey. Don't let me stop you...I'm just saying I'd love to play against you if that's the best you've got. Keep on hating my "expensive fetches" though.
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By all means kill him, since I can get have the luck to get entomb and animate dead other players can also have the luck to get a card that counters it. In my playgroup most of the time players want to dispose of him yet reluctant to as it helps neuter tutor strategies of their opponents too. It is like a "free prison card" that acts in favor for them as long as they themselves don't tutor much. A fairly good political card I would say as compared to others like Braids, Hokori or Iona.
Speaking of which, the 'dies to whatever' argument holds true to every other creature. There are so many bounce/exile/destroy/sacrifice effects which 90+% of the creatures in EDH aren't immune to.
Gotta love Ob Nixilis though, especially the look on opponent's face when he cast Tempt with Discovery, only to be met with a "Choto Matta!(Wait)", entomb+necromancy with the entire table saying "Yes, I'm tempted".
WUBRG Reaper King - Elf Tribal WUBRG | Tribal Fun
WRG Gishath, Sun's Avatar - Dinosaur Tribal WRG | Rawr!!!
WUG Derevi, Empyrial Tactician - Enchantress Tactics WUG | Enchantments Focused
GBG The Gitrog Monster - Land Shenanigans GBG | Lands/Mill Focused
WBW Kambal, Consul of Life Allocation Matters WBW | Life Gain/Loss focused
UBR Kess, Dissident Mage of the Lotus UBR | Spellslinger
BGB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons - Counters & Tokens BGB | -1/-1 counters focused
This isn't the point. Ob Nix "dies to removal" b/c he doesn't create any intrinsic value just by being cheated out so early. Sun Time at least got back a fetchland for you. G-Time at least left behind four power for you. P-Time at least...oh right. Jin Gitaxias gives a draw7 in combination with a Mind Twist for everyone else. An Eldrazi (like It That Betrays) has the same weakness as Ob Nix, but at least it will win if you untap with it.
If you're gonna go all-in on such a strat, get some value out of it so you're not so soft to removal. That's what my point was, and why I said Ob Nix is only a meh Entomb target.
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Yep I understand the value of having an immediate effect that you can count on. It really depends on what the meta is and how the game goes. The question asked by TS is what favorite card to you like to tutor for and not what target is most efficient with entomb. Every game plays differently, some games I entomb for an E.witness to reanimate and get back entomb to get another target, others I entomb for a wincon like Triskelion for the Mikaeus.
It just happens that my favorite card with entomb is Ob Nixilis, cuz it is fun to actually kill with it via interesting combos like Fertilid, Collective Voyage
WUBRG Reaper King - Elf Tribal WUBRG | Tribal Fun
WRG Gishath, Sun's Avatar - Dinosaur Tribal WRG | Rawr!!!
WUG Derevi, Empyrial Tactician - Enchantress Tactics WUG | Enchantments Focused
GBG The Gitrog Monster - Land Shenanigans GBG | Lands/Mill Focused
WBW Kambal, Consul of Life Allocation Matters WBW | Life Gain/Loss focused
UBR Kess, Dissident Mage of the Lotus UBR | Spellslinger
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I don't know man, I tend to find it a lot easier to win when my opponents lose their hands on turn two or I combo out of my graveyard on turn three or four.
Whether or not it's more fun, is debatable definitely though
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