If you're playing some manner of 40 Life format, I THINK Purphoros has a T1 win but you have to have the biggest nut draw ever.
You have to generate a pretty large amount of mana to deal 40 damage on turn 1 with Purphoros. I think you would start running into a situation where you just need to many cards for it to be feasible. I think the best you could hope for is a 7 card hand that has 5 cards that produce absurd mana together, Purphoros and Wheel of Fortune. Then hit the creature generation engine off the wheel.
If you're playing some manner of 40 Life format, I THINK Purphoros has a T1 win but you have to have the biggest nut draw ever.
You have to generate a pretty large amount of mana to deal 40 damage on turn 1 with Purphoros. I think you would start running into a situation where you just need to many cards for it to be feasible. I think the best you could hope for is a 7 card hand that has 5 cards that produce absurd mana together, Purphoros and Wheel of Fortune. Then hit the creature generation engine off the wheel.
You have to generate a pretty large amount of mana to deal 40 damage on turn 1 with Purphoros. I think you would start running into a situation where you just need to many cards for it to be feasible. I think the best you could hope for is a 7 card hand that has 5 cards that produce absurd mana together, Purphoros and Wheel of Fortune. Then hit the creature generation engine off the wheel.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong (which I almost certainly am), but I think it goes like this:
1) Play Tomb, tap for 2, lose 2 life, net 2.
2) Play Sol Ring, tap for 2, net 3.
3) Exile SSG, net 4, play Treasonous Ogre.
4) Play Crypt, tap for 2, net 2.
5) Play Vault, tap for 3, net 4.
6) Pay 3 life to TO, net 5, play Purp, net 1.
7) Pay 15 life to TO, net 6, play Incubator.
8) Pay 18 life to TO, net 6, tap Incubator for the kill.
As an aside, I really wish they'd put more of the Conspiracy cards up on MTGO already. Sigh.
Oh right, Treasonous Ogre. And Myr Incubator. You can definitely do it then, and I don't think it even takes all 7 cards. Ogre alone, if you've lost no other life, lets you generate 13 mana. That's enough to cast and activate the Incubator with one extra mana. So you only need to produce 7 apart from the Ogre to cast Purphoros and then the Incubator to win.
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Activate Ogre 13 times (16xR)
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You have to generate a pretty large amount of mana to deal 40 damage on turn 1 with Purphoros. I think you would start running into a situation where you just need to many cards for it to be feasible. I think the best you could hope for is a 7 card hand that has 5 cards that produce absurd mana together, Purphoros and Wheel of Fortune. Then hit the creature generation engine off the wheel.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong (which I almost certainly am), but I think it goes like this:
1) Play Tomb, tap for 2, lose 2 life, net 2.
2) Play Sol Ring, tap for 2, net 3.
3) Exile SSG, net 4, play Treasonous Ogre.
4) Play Crypt, tap for 2, net 2.
5) Play Vault, tap for 3, net 4.
6) Pay 3 life to TO, net 5, play Purp, net 1.
7) Pay 15 life to TO, net 6, play Incubator.
8) Pay 18 life to TO, net 6, tap Incubator for the kill.
As an aside, I really wish they'd put more of the Conspiracy cards up on MTGO already. Sigh.
and I hit you for lightning bolt while you are searching for your artifacts, dameg does not resolve until priority is passed. You are dead before purph goes off. Its a good plan but with 38 life lost to pull it off...
i am tempted to build this though. an artifact heavy red deck. (with some very nice creature generation. May even go with a goblin tribal theme since it is very easy to get goblins out and mass them up, especially with Krenko.)
AND FYI- HIS deck won 55% of the time on turn 2, 15% on turn 1 (not one in a thousand...), and 20% turn 3, and 10% of the time beyond those. If he had not won by turn 3 he generally did not win.
No way can you go off turn 2 over half the time. I don't even think it's possible to go off on turn 3 more than half the time (unless you include the t2 wins). Do you have a list?
You have to generate a pretty large amount of mana to deal 40 damage on turn 1 with Purphoros. I think you would start running into a situation where you just need to many cards for it to be feasible. I think the best you could hope for is a 7 card hand that has 5 cards that produce absurd mana together, Purphoros and Wheel of Fortune. Then hit the creature generation engine off the wheel.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong (which I almost certainly am), but I think it goes like this:
1) Play Tomb, tap for 2, lose 2 life, net 2.
2) Play Sol Ring, tap for 2, net 3.
3) Exile SSG, net 4, play Treasonous Ogre.
4) Play Crypt, tap for 2, net 2.
5) Play Vault, tap for 3, net 4.
6) Pay 3 life to TO, net 5, play Purp, net 1.
7) Pay 15 life to TO, net 6, play Incubator.
8) Pay 18 life to TO, net 6, tap Incubator for the kill.
As an aside, I really wish they'd put more of the Conspiracy cards up on MTGO already. Sigh.
and I hit you for lightning bolt while you are searching for your artifacts, dameg does not resolve until priority is passed. You are dead before purph goes off. Its a good plan but with 38 life lost to pull it off...
i am tempted to build this though. an artifact heavy red deck. (with some very nice creature generation. May even go with a goblin tribal theme since it is very easy to get goblins out and mass them up, especially with Krenko.)
And you're running bolt in EDH because?
Also if this is on their turn 1 on the play I'm really curious how you're casting bolt.
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Also if this is on their turn 1 on the play I'm really curious how you're casting bolt.
Bolt is actually a pretty good card. It's not going to take out every creature that Swords can, but there are a lot of utility dudes with 3 toughness or less. Also, people like you don't expect it.
As for affording it, the T1 combo player didn't necessarily go first (so the Bolt player could have a land), and both Gemstone Caverns and Simian Spirit Guide are things. Shokatshin's combo even uses the Spirit Guide.
So since this thread got necroed again thought I would share a turn 1 kill I got with a 3 card hand my favorite turn 1 win to date was maybe a month or too ago I put it into thread.
Crappy no land hands happen frequently in my combo deck that only runs 29 lands I
Mull into mana crypt led windfall and keep. I topdeck a basic island and go turn 1 windfall cracking LED for BBB due to the fact value cracking LED has many more relevant black target a especially at 0 mana and with no black source on the field. I windfall into 3 irrelevant cards doomsday probe ponder and lotus petal and instantly know I have it.
Cast petal
Cast doomsday
Pile
Led
Night's whisper
Dark ritual
Yawgwin
Labman
Probe to pick up led
Led
Crack petal to cast ponder cracking led for BBB
Cast Night's whisper drawing DR YW
Cast DR into YW
Cast led + petal crack for UUUU
Probe Labman into hand
Play Labman
Play ponder ftw.
God I love doomsday.
Also the best part is I wheeled zur into a force of will with no pitch in a deck with more blue than black and white combined
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Someone once cast a turn 1 worldfire on a game it was legal then. The guy to his left removes am elvish spirit guide and cast worldly tutor for a dryad arbor. That counts for a t1 win right?
Someone once cast a turn 1 worldfire on a game it was legal then. The guy to his left removes am elvish spirit guide and cast worldly tutor for a dryad arbor. That counts for a t1 win right?
One wonders why on earth he would cast worldfire for nothing turn 1 (also making him the last to draw) when he could wait a few turns and potentially cast his commander afterwards ftw.
In my Zur deck: Underground Sea, Ad Nauseam, Lotus Petal, Dark Ritual, Mana Crypt, Angel's Grace.
Angel's Grace to Ad Nauseam. Pick up the entire deck, win with Exsanguinate for lethal. Have never pulled this off turn 1 but have gotten a turn 2 a couple of times.
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Pile
Led
Night's whisper
Dark ritual
Yawgwin
Labman
Probe to pick up led
Led
Crack petal to cast ponder cracking led for BBB
Cast Night's whisper drawing DR YW
Cast DR into YW
Cast led + petal crack for UUUU
Probe Labman into hand
Play Labman
Play ponder ftw.
God I love doomsday.
How do you play Night's whisper? LED forces you discard your hand. Thus in order to get the black mana, you would lose night's whisper.
You have to generate a pretty large amount of mana to deal 40 damage on turn 1 with Purphoros. I think you would start running into a situation where you just need to many cards for it to be feasible. I think the best you could hope for is a 7 card hand that has 5 cards that produce absurd mana together, Purphoros and Wheel of Fortune. Then hit the creature generation engine off the wheel.
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I think if you can generate 10 mana you could win with Rally the Horde and a lucky streak resulting in 20 tokens. Mountain, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Pyretic Ritual, Seething Song, Fork, Rally the Horde.
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Song, hold priority, Fork (1+10xR)
Purphoros, Rally, and you'll still have R floating.
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Indeed. You pretty much have to have THE perfect draw for it. The T1 win I was thinking of involved Ancient Tomb, Sol Ring, Treasonous Ogre, Mana Crypt, Simian Spirit Guide, Mana Vault, and Myr Incubator in you hand while having like 20 or 21+ artifacts in your deck.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong (which I almost certainly am), but I think it goes like this:
1) Play Tomb, tap for 2, lose 2 life, net 2.
2) Play Sol Ring, tap for 2, net 3.
3) Exile SSG, net 4, play Treasonous Ogre.
4) Play Crypt, tap for 2, net 2.
5) Play Vault, tap for 3, net 4.
6) Pay 3 life to TO, net 5, play Purp, net 1.
7) Pay 15 life to TO, net 6, play Incubator.
8) Pay 18 life to TO, net 6, tap Incubator for the kill.
As an aside, I really wish they'd put more of the Conspiracy cards up on MTGO already. Sigh.
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Mountain (R)
Mana Crypt (2R)
Mana Vault (4R)
Seething Song (2RRRRR)
Treasonous Ogre (RRR)
Activate Ogre 13 times (16xR)
Purphoros (12xR)
Incubator (6xR)
Activate Incubator exiling 20+ Artifacts
So you even have a spare card in hand!
As far as Conspiracy on MODO goes, I believe that only the Conspiracy cards that were also in Vintage Masters are ever going to be on it. They specifically did not want to release the set on MODO, because the draft-altering constructs require a complete rework of the online draft system.
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and I hit you for lightning bolt while you are searching for your artifacts, dameg does not resolve until priority is passed. You are dead before purph goes off. Its a good plan but with 38 life lost to pull it off...
i am tempted to build this though. an artifact heavy red deck. (with some very nice creature generation. May even go with a goblin tribal theme since it is very easy to get goblins out and mass them up, especially with Krenko.)
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No way can you go off turn 2 over half the time. I don't even think it's possible to go off on turn 3 more than half the time (unless you include the t2 wins). Do you have a list?
One alternate combo to Hermit Druid is: Mana Crypt/Lotus Petal/Cephalid Illusionist/Shuko/u land. Use the extra mana to unearth Fatestitcher or Dregscape Zombie. Requires two cards but wins the same turn you play them.
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And you're running bolt in EDH because?
Also if this is on their turn 1 on the play I'm really curious how you're casting bolt.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
As for affording it, the T1 combo player didn't necessarily go first (so the Bolt player could have a land), and both Gemstone Caverns and Simian Spirit Guide are things. Shokatshin's combo even uses the Spirit Guide.
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Crappy no land hands happen frequently in my combo deck that only runs 29 lands I
Mull into mana crypt led windfall and keep. I topdeck a basic island and go turn 1 windfall cracking LED for BBB due to the fact value cracking LED has many more relevant black target a especially at 0 mana and with no black source on the field. I windfall into 3 irrelevant cards doomsday probe ponder and lotus petal and instantly know I have it.
Cast petal
Cast doomsday
Pile
Led
Night's whisper
Dark ritual
Yawgwin
Labman
Probe to pick up led
Led
Crack petal to cast ponder cracking led for BBB
Cast Night's whisper drawing DR YW
Cast DR into YW
Cast led + petal crack for UUUU
Probe Labman into hand
Play Labman
Play ponder ftw.
God I love doomsday.
Also the best part is I wheeled zur into a force of will with no pitch in a deck with more blue than black and white combined
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Angel's Grace to Ad Nauseam. Pick up the entire deck, win with Exsanguinate for lethal. Have never pulled this off turn 1 but have gotten a turn 2 a couple of times.
those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.
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How do you play Night's whisper? LED forces you discard your hand. Thus in order to get the black mana, you would lose night's whisper.
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yea after looking at it again (prior to reading your post) i realized it.
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Bond of Agony is an x-spell. You have to invest mana into x, paying life in addition to the mana invested.
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