They'll just ban it next time. Groups that attempt to tightly restrict the game have little concern with restricting it further.
Sorry just trying to follow you. When you say tightly restrict, are there certain cards? What about an artifact heavy deck that utulized Winter Orb to the max?
In this playgroup, They had Infinites banned. Then they banned Sorin Markov for being too cheap. Then they banned Zur. On and on; people who ban things will ban almost anything that gets complained enough.
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I don't want a super competitive cutthroat environment. i like my LGS, but when your playing for prizes, i want to play a deck that can win consistently. and if some of the players don't like infinite combos, there are cards that can stop those combos, like curse of exhaustion, rhystic library, strangle hold, and uncounterable spells. activating a Boseiju to use a kill spell on my azami, or to tooth and nail is really good against my deck. or using cavern of souls to make their Uril, the miststalker uncounterable. All I'm saying is that there are ways to beat and disrupt combos and alternate win conditions. maybe people should include some cards to deal with these kind of decks instead of just saying that combos and alternate win conditions are banned.
sounds like the principled, self-righteous stand you're taking is disingenuous when really you just want to win.
You should propose a Legacy tournament with cash prizes and old card giveaways, then I will lend you one of my Legacy decks and you will crush the sour puss from all of them. After, maybe they will see EDH with some form of novelty.
People that play casually don't necessarily suck at the game. I feel like this post is rather uncalled for.
OT: If you're not wanting infinite combos, what type of deck are you wanting to play to stay competitive?
I'm not saying that casual players suck, heck I've willingly decided to play exclusively casual in playing EDH (isn't that what EDH is?)! I don't even like playing dedicated combo! What I am saying is that there are thousands of cards in this format, and if people start restricting cards on the basis that their decks are poorly built and don't want to deal with anything other then creatures turning sideways, they should play standard or Legacy!
I'm not saying that casual players suck, heck I've willingly decided to play exclusively casual in playing EDH (isn't that what EDH is?)! I don't even like playing dedicated combo! What I am saying is that there are thousands of cards in this format, and if people start restricting cards on the basis that their decks are poorly built and don't want to deal with anything other then creatures turning sideways, they should play standard or Legacy!
Assuming that the rules are in place because everyone else has bad decks is very faulty reasoning. People with good decks can still dislike certain playstyles or cards even if they can deal with them. If the majority of players at that particular store all dislike the same playsytles or cards, that store is going to tend to cater to them. You're also assuming that the only way to win is combo or sideways creatures. That's not necessarily true either.
You should propose a Legacy tournament with cash prizes and old card giveaways, then I will lend you one of my Legacy decks and you will crush the sour puss from all of them. After, maybe they will see EDH with some form of novelty.
People that play casually don't necessarily suck at the game. I feel like this post is rather uncalled for.
OT: If you're not wanting infinite combos, what type of deck are you wanting to play to stay competitive?
I'm not saying that casual players suck, heck I've willingly decided to play exclusively casual in playing EDH (isn't that what EDH is?)! I don't even like playing dedicated combo! What I am saying is that there are thousands of cards in this format, and if people start restricting cards on the basis that their decks are poorly built and don't want to deal with anything other then creatures turning sideways, they should play standard or Legacy!
iirc, EDH is a social format, not casual. You can however make it [the current game] casual
It sounds like you're a bit of a Spikey player and they're trying to keep Spikes out, so the rules actually seem like they're accomplishing what they intended.
Rules like this don't keep spikes out. They cater to more clever spikes or render the very notion of a "tournament" pointless. It's dishonest at best and outright manipulative at worst.
Spikes will be spikes. They will still win knowing what they can get away with. The players will soon realize this as well if the spikes want to stay around. Then the bad players will have to accept they are bad, get better at magic, or quit.
I went to a shop like this once. They banned infinite combos and automatic win cards (Ie. No Laboratory Maniac or Felidar Sovereign). I used an Azami deck with all the free or cheap mana rocks, cheap wizards, and cheap counterspells to draw until I hit one of my six time warps. Eventually I either alpha with a wizard army that's all getting +3/+3 thanks to Gauntlet of Power and its copies, or I Bribery six or seven times with Sigil Tracer. It never technically went infinite, but it was still really competitive. Next time I showed up, Azami had been banned as a general. I played my second best finely tuned non infinite deck and still won. Competitive Edh is blah.
I wish there was a 1v1 league where I'm at. It would make things a lot more interesting and fun, especially when it should be totally expected that you bring your A game.
I wish there was a 1v1 league where I'm at. It would make things a lot more interesting and fun, especially when it should be totally expected that you bring your A game.
1 store nearby started it but used the multiplayer rules for 1v1. Yea....nothing better than a turn 2 Bribery for an eldrazi.
I wish there was a 1v1 league where I'm at. It would make things a lot more interesting and fun, especially when it should be totally expected that you bring your A game.
1 store nearby started it but used the multiplayer rules for 1v1. Yea....nothing better than a turn 2 Bribery for an eldrazi.
I wish there was a 1v1 league where I'm at. It would make things a lot more interesting and fun, especially when it should be totally expected that you bring your A game.
1 store nearby started it but used the multiplayer rules for 1v1. Yea....nothing better than a turn 2 Bribery for an eldrazi.
Or Turn 1 Jace the Mind Sculptor. I tried to get people to switch, but they couldn't wrap their heads around the 1v1 list, but they wanted to be able to play their Commander Precon Sol Ring and collectively thought Primeval Titan was less fair than Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, and Sol Ring.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
I wish there was a 1v1 league where I'm at. It would make things a lot more interesting and fun, especially when it should be totally expected that you bring your A game.
1 store nearby started it but used the multiplayer rules for 1v1. Yea....nothing better than a turn 2 Bribery for an eldrazi.
Or Turn 1 Jace the Mind Sculptor. I tried to get people to switch, but they couldn't wrap their heads around the 1v1 list, but they wanted to be able to play their Commander Precon Sol Ring and collectively thought Primeval Titan was less fair than Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, and Sol Ring.
Bad players have no place in a competitive environment. Sorry about your situation.
1- Find a local shop that doesn't have stupid arbitrary rules.
2- Build Edric weenies and win literally every game, and then see if they ban attacking, drawing spells or counterspells. I can promise you that in a "no infinite combo" environment Edric with ~27 counters and a bunch of weenies will win about 98% of games on the low end.
Other insanely good decks for you are Zur, Damia stax and Dervevi. Hell, Judwah has a Kozilek deck that might work, and you could easily make it a jin-gitaxias deck if you want to have counterspells.
I'd probably just quit, but it's your call.
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My Decks:
Aggro: WUBRGHorde of Notions Goodstuff, RUBCheesy Aggro, GR Xenagod Gruul Goodstuff
Control: GWBGhave, Guru of Adaptability, UBWrexial, Milling Deep UAzami, Lady of No Infinite Combos GWU Derevi, Tempo Beats
Other: URGRiku of Too Much Mana, WUBRG Sliver Queen Enchantress
People can still be good players and still not like certain types of play.
I can understand the people who would feel like they should continue to push the envelope because they disagree with the store's rule set, but the store is obviously just trying to promote a certain atmosphere of play (even if they're going about it in a poor way). Before they start banning a bunch of other stuff, I imagine that they would just ban the player that refused to go with that atmosphere that they wanted in the store.
People can still be good players and still not like certain types of play.
I can understand the people who would feel like they should continue to push the envelope because they disagree with the store's rule set, but the store is obviously just trying to promote a certain atmosphere of play (even if they're going about it in a poor way). Before they start banning a bunch of other stuff, I imagine that they would just ban the player that refused to go with that atmosphere that they wanted in the store.
The problem with creating a certain environment is you can't do that when offering prizes. There is no competition when arbitrary restrictions are put into place just because. They might as well just raffle off the prizes.
The problem with creating a certain environment is you can't do that when offering prizes. There is no competition when arbitrary restrictions are put into place just because. They might as well just raffle off the prizes.
The thing is whoever owns the store can organize the rules however they want. If they wanted to just raffle off the prizes, more power to them, though I doubt people would like that and would stop playing there. It doesn't sound like the rules were arbitrary; it sounds like the players at that particular store didn't like a certain style of play, and the store is responding to that. On the other hand, if a lot of the store's players don't actually like those rules, I imagine they will go away quickly.
keep making good decks with your card pool.
make them ban a whole mess of really dumb things, like counterspells or voltron generals or tool box strategies.
then bounce to a new card shop.
Um a comboless Azami is much much more painful than a normal combo one. Comboless doesn't make the deck any weaker, you control the board just as good if not better (since you got freeslots from taking out combos), you just have to grind the game out. Which turns into a painfully long and boring game.
I hate people who play rules committee. I once played at a store that added two turns to the two-mana commander tax (meaning, you have to wait two turns to bring your general back out, then 4, then 6 etc.) They also banned Memnarch, all the praetors, rhystic study, mind's eye, heartless hidetsugu, all infect cards, darksteel colossus, all eldrazi, azusa, and took away victory points for tutoring. They also took away points if you won via mill or commander damage. Basically, every week someone would have a new gripe, and they'd make a houserule. It was by far the lamest, least fun, most obnoxious magic environment I've ever experienced.
In this playgroup, They had Infinites banned. Then they banned Sorin Markov for being too cheap. Then they banned Zur. On and on; people who ban things will ban almost anything that gets complained enough.
sounds like the principled, self-righteous stand you're taking is disingenuous when really you just want to win.
How about Nekusar, the Mindrazer + Grafted Exoskeleton
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
I'm not saying that casual players suck, heck I've willingly decided to play exclusively casual in playing EDH (isn't that what EDH is?)! I don't even like playing dedicated combo! What I am saying is that there are thousands of cards in this format, and if people start restricting cards on the basis that their decks are poorly built and don't want to deal with anything other then creatures turning sideways, they should play standard or Legacy!
Assuming that the rules are in place because everyone else has bad decks is very faulty reasoning. People with good decks can still dislike certain playstyles or cards even if they can deal with them. If the majority of players at that particular store all dislike the same playsytles or cards, that store is going to tend to cater to them. You're also assuming that the only way to win is combo or sideways creatures. That's not necessarily true either.
iirc, EDH is a social format, not casual. You can however make it [the current game] casual
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
Spikes will be spikes. They will still win knowing what they can get away with. The players will soon realize this as well if the spikes want to stay around. Then the bad players will have to accept they are bad, get better at magic, or quit.
I fixed your statement as it was only partially correct. 1v1 is perfectly viable for a competitive game.
How many ffa multiplayer competitive games are there? Oh right, almost none. Because they don't work.
1 store nearby started it but used the multiplayer rules for 1v1. Yea....nothing better than a turn 2 Bribery for an eldrazi.
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
This is why we can't have nice things.
Or Turn 1 Jace the Mind Sculptor. I tried to get people to switch, but they couldn't wrap their heads around the 1v1 list, but they wanted to be able to play their Commander Precon Sol Ring and collectively thought Primeval Titan was less fair than Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, and Sol Ring.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
Bad players have no place in a competitive environment. Sorry about your situation.
1- Find a local shop that doesn't have stupid arbitrary rules.
2- Build Edric weenies and win literally every game, and then see if they ban attacking, drawing spells or counterspells. I can promise you that in a "no infinite combo" environment Edric with ~27 counters and a bunch of weenies will win about 98% of games on the low end.
Other insanely good decks for you are Zur, Damia stax and Dervevi. Hell, Judwah has a Kozilek deck that might work, and you could easily make it a jin-gitaxias deck if you want to have counterspells.
I'd probably just quit, but it's your call.
Aggro: WUBRGHorde of Notions Goodstuff, RUB Cheesy Aggro, GR Xenagod Gruul Goodstuff
Control: GWBGhave, Guru of Adaptability, UBWrexial, Milling Deep UAzami, Lady of No Infinite Combos GWU Derevi, Tempo Beats
Other: URGRiku of Too Much Mana, WUBRG Sliver Queen Enchantress
I can't be bothered to improve the card quality of my EDH deck so let's ban everything I don't want to have to respond to.
Standard: UWG Bant Control
EDH: UArcum Dagsson
Modern: Affinity
Vintage: BUR Grixis Control
Legacy: W Mono-White : U Merfolk : BUG Esper Stoneblade : RBG Punishing Jund : B Reanimator : RU Sneak and Show : GB Infect : RG Red/Green Devotion : RUG RUG Delver
Or since you're playing Azami, play a ton of counters, Stormtide Leviathan, Mystic Decree, Pariah's Shield, and Darksteel Myr. Wish everyone good luck.
Standard: UWG Bant Control
EDH: UArcum Dagsson
Modern: Affinity
Vintage: BUR Grixis Control
Legacy: W Mono-White : U Merfolk : BUG Esper Stoneblade : RBG Punishing Jund : B Reanimator : RU Sneak and Show : GB Infect : RG Red/Green Devotion : RUG RUG Delver
I can understand the people who would feel like they should continue to push the envelope because they disagree with the store's rule set, but the store is obviously just trying to promote a certain atmosphere of play (even if they're going about it in a poor way). Before they start banning a bunch of other stuff, I imagine that they would just ban the player that refused to go with that atmosphere that they wanted in the store.
Then you just switch to Purphoros, God of the Forge strategy with tons of little creatures & tokens and wheel effects. 11 creatures to win the game.
The problem with creating a certain environment is you can't do that when offering prizes. There is no competition when arbitrary restrictions are put into place just because. They might as well just raffle off the prizes.
The thing is whoever owns the store can organize the rules however they want. If they wanted to just raffle off the prizes, more power to them, though I doubt people would like that and would stop playing there. It doesn't sound like the rules were arbitrary; it sounds like the players at that particular store didn't like a certain style of play, and the store is responding to that. On the other hand, if a lot of the store's players don't actually like those rules, I imagine they will go away quickly.
make them ban a whole mess of really dumb things, like counterspells or voltron generals or tool box strategies.
then bounce to a new card shop.
UBRThe MindrazerRBU
UUUSpymaster of TrestGGG
GGGThe South TreeGGG
RRRHuman AscendantRRR