MTG Salvation

Is that they are full of slivers. I have always found slivers to be annoying, and weak in EDH because they simply fold to one or two well placed board wipes. But I have recently obtained a Sliver queen. She is a combo machine. Since I like combo she seems like the perfect fit. So my question is Would it be crazy to run her as a general with 0 to 3 silvers in the 99? I'm know I'd run gemhide. But I can't really think of any others. Then just build a ridiculous stax deck with combo finishers. Run a Kiki jiki package, a mike package a palinchron package and , a suntitan package, and a queen package. Ramp , tutors and board control. I think she makes the perfect combo stax general she's 5 color she makes tokens and she's a 5 cmc finisher.

So anyone have any experience playing a build like this?

Recommend any other playable slivers

Any cheap I win combos

Thanks for any input

Mox

Try alluren you are a deck filled with bears now everything is

0 flash Sliver.

The sliver deck I play against runs, Primal Surge as thier only non perminate when it wins that is how it normally wins.

I believe there are similar put your deck on the table combos

Sliver decks have 2 problems that hurt them..

1. the manabase. 5 color decks are either expensive or crappy. Expensive means you are fragile to silly crap like Blood Moon.

2. They are slivers. When you sit down at a table consider yourself playing Archenemy, and you dont get the silly cards to help. Usually everyone just blasts the slivers and then continues the game.

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I'm know I'd run gemhide. But I can't really think of any others.
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Any cheap I win combos

If you like gemhide sliver, you can also run manaweft sliver.

Mana echoes goes infinite pretty easily with sliver queen.

Basal sliver and sliver queen gives you infinite etb/dies triggers, and if you add haste or it makes infinite mana with either manaweft or gemhide sliver.

Basal sliver and heartstone or training grounds with the queen gives you infinite slivers.

I would say that both of the mana slivers, along with Root sliver and crystalline sliver are mandatory.

I'd give Necrotic Sliver, Harmonic Sliver, and Cautery Sliver all some serious consideration, especially if you're going control with Queen as the general, in addition to Mana Echoes as Elvish already suggested.

Dormant Sliver and Harmonic Sliver are both very good with the queen as well.

Ward Sliver guards you from a mono-colored deck.

Virulent Sliver for a surprise infect victory?

I run a pure tribal sliver deck, and the slivers I chose (pre-2014) are: (edit: I'm not sure how up-to-date this list is, since it's missing Harmonic Sliver and Virulent Sliver, amongst others.)


As others have mentioned, Mana Echoes is huge. Heartstone/Training Grounds paired with Sliver Queen and Ashnod's Altar/Basal Sliver nets infinite mana, as well. I can also aggro people out using Shifting Sliver and/or Akroma's Memorial.

Another hilarious card to add is Unnatural Selection. It lets you play politics with other people. "Oh, your general is attacking Play B and you need it to connect? Hey, it's a sliver now!"

Not to be rude here, but I really don't see the point of this build. You're basically saying you hate the whole theme and creature type your general is built to support. You love combo of any kind as well as goodstuff. How about you just build a three turn hermit druid combo and call it a night? No sliver is going to make your list or convert you to the sliver team unless it's "tap each sliver, win the game one more time for each sliver you tap." If you're truly just trying to combo out, don't waste your time casting a 5 color general to make a few tokens, that will just slow you down.

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Not to be rude here, but I really don't see the point of this build. You're basically saying you hate the whole theme and creature type your general is built to support. You love combo of any kind as well as goodstuff. How about you just build a three turn hermit druid combo and call it a night? No sliver is going to make your list or convert you to the sliver team unless it's "tap each sliver, win the game one more time for each sliver you tap." If you're truly just trying to combo out, don't waste your time casting a 5 color general to make a few tokens, that will just slow you down.

I agree with this... As you can see in all the responses, everyone is suggesting a ton of different slivers. Why is that? Because they all think that Sliver Queen belongs in a Sliver deck. Ofcourse you CAN make a Sliver Queen deck without slivers, but she doesn't add that much for a combo deck. Better to go Child of Alara, as you will get more use out of it IMHO.

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I agree with this... As you can see in all the responses, everyone is suggesting a ton of different slivers. Why is that? Because they all think that Sliver Queen belongs in a Sliver deck. Ofcourse you CAN make a Sliver Queen deck without slivers, but she doesn't add that much for a combo deck. Better to go Child of Alara, as you will get more use out of it IMHO.

She adds a combo piece in the command slot where it's resistant to most forms of removal and nearly always available.

And the OP didn't say he wasn't going to run slivers. He said some were mandatory, and asked for us to recommend those mandatory slivers. That's why people are recommending slivers.

On topic: I think Crystaline Sliver is mandatory, in addition to most of the other recommendations of this thread.

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And the OP didn't say he wasn't going to run slivers.

The OP asked:

Quote from moxmadness

So my question is Would it be crazy to run her as a general with 0 to 3 silvers in the 99? I'm know I'd run gemhide. But I can't really think of any others. Then just build a ridiculous stax deck with combo finishers.

I qualify this as running next to no slivers. And the only thing I'm saying is, why choose this particular general if you don't want to run them. There are better combo generals out there if you purely want to go that route. And as I clearly stated the OP can definitely make such a deck with Sliver Queen, I just don't get why you would bother...

No. I consider queen the best "goodstuff" 5c general for most decks. I run her in my turbo stasis orb and my 1v1 5 color classic control as well as 5 color storm combo. So no not crazy she's good.

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Try alluren you are a deck filled with bears now everything is

0 flash Sliver.

Aluren is a great card. I doubt I would run enough 1 2 3 cmc critters to make it worth it.

The sliver deck I play against runs, Primal Surge as thier only non perminate when it wins that is how it normally wins.

Primal surge is a great card. I prefer gen wave, and I'm going for a control build not aggro

I believe there are similar put your deck on the table combos

Quote from archdukeofevil

Sliver decks have 2 problems that hurt them..

1. the manabase. 5 color decks are either expensive or crappy. Expensive means you are fragile to silly crap like Blood Moon.

2. They are slivers. When you sit down at a table consider yourself playing Archenemy, and you dont get the silly cards to help. Usually everyone just blasts the slivers and then continues the game.

I already have the mana base 10 duals 10 fetches. I already play a progen deck, and it plays like a 3 color deck. Playing arch enemy is ok with me hence the harsh board control- stax

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If you like gemhide sliver, you can also run manaweft sliver.

Didn't know this card existed. Redundancy is always good in edh
Mana echoes goes infinite pretty easily with sliver queen. That would be a part of the sliver queen package I was talking about. I'm posting from an I pad and was to lazy to list and auto card all the combo packages. Also I'm not sure if mana echoes and heart stone warrant running because they are bad outside of the combo. Running bad combo pieces seems bad but may be necessary.

Basal sliver and sliver queen gives you infinite etb/dies triggers, and if you add haste or it makes infinite mana with either manaweft or gemhide sliver.



Basal sliver and heartstone or training grounds with the queen gives you infinite slivers.

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I would say that both of the mana slivers, along with Root sliver and crystalline sliver are mandatory.

Love these ideas. I can't argue how good crystalline sliver is. But if I'm only running 4-6 slivers I'm not sure if cs is worth a slot.

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Not to be rude here, but I really don't see the point of this build. You're basically saying you hate the whole theme and creature type your general is built to support. You love combo of any kind as well as goodstuff. How about you just build a three turn hermit druid combo and call it a night? No sliver is going to make your list or convert you to the sliver team unless it's "tap each sliver, win the game one more time for each sliver you tap." If you're truly just trying to combo out, don't waste your time casting a 5 color general to make a few tokens, that will just slow you down.

I do dislike slivers. I have since they were printed. But I have always loved sliver queen. She dose every thing I want. She is a general that makes tokens, perfect for stax. She is a combo piece that I always have access too. And she can voltorn in worst case scenarios.

Why not play hermit Druid or ad naus? They are boring I have played both of them and they were never fun to play. I'm a control player at heart, and have been studying combo for some time. I never used to play combo until I moved to a bigger city with a diverse meta that ran a lot of combo. I already have an all in combo deck, and it makes me nervous to play because of the limited amount of removal.

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I agree with this... As you can see in all the responses, everyone is suggesting a ton of different slivers. Why is that? Because they all think that Sliver Queen belongs in a Sliver deck. Ofcourse you CAN make a Sliver Queen deck without slivers, but she doesn't add that much for a combo deck. Better to go Child of Alara, as you will get more use out of it IMHO.

Child at first look is a better control general. But doesn't add anything to the combo aspect of the deck. The queen just dose so much. I love building 5 color decks. I have run Reaper King, Scion, and cromat, and I currently run progen. Progen is a big dumb beater. RK makes you run way to many bad cards, cromat is neat but mana intensive. The rest of the rainbow General have to be built around or are atogatog. Again I disagree I think she adds a lot to both stax and combo with minimal slivers.

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She adds a combo piece in the command slot where it's resistant to most forms of removal and nearly always available.

And the OP didn't say he wasn't going to run slivers. He said some were mandatory, and asked for us to recommend those mandatory slivers. That's why people are recommending slivers.

On topic: I think Crystaline Sliver is mandatory, in addition to most of the other recommendations of this thread.

This is why I started this thread. I know a lot about stax and combo but not a lot about slivers. So that is why I came here to ask people who know more about this then me : ). I'm not opposed to running some slivers. That is why I asked before I even started deck building.

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No. I consider queen the best "goodstuff" 5c general for most decks. I run her in my turbo stasis orb and my 1v1 5 color classic control as well as 5 color storm combo. So no not crazy she's good.

Do you happen to have any of those lists posted? To give me a frame of reference? The problem I'm having building the deck on paper, is how many dedicated win con slots do I need. And how much stax dedicated slots. I am great with mana bases ramp and draw, but this deck is building a bit out of my wheel house for edh. The last stax deck I played was braids. And have not played combos stax I think the two deck types can be merged because my braids problem was that It ground games down to a halt. With a combo finisher it solves this problem.

Thanks for all the responses keep them coming this deck is already taking shape in my head. I'll be making a paper list soon and posting it for review.

Mox

Ps I apologize for all terrible grammar I'll edit it when I get to my laptop.

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The OP asked:

I qualify this as running next to no slivers. And the only thing I'm saying is, why choose this particular general if you don't want to run them. There are better combo generals out there if you purely want to go that route. And as I clearly stated the OP can definitely make such a deck with Sliver Queen, I just don't get why you would bother...

Because it's a combo piece in the command zone, and a piece that makes many great cards (harmonic, necrotic) amazing.

I think the complete list of mandatory slivers is:

• Manaweft Sliver
  
• Gemhide Sliver
  
• Harmonic Sliver
  
• Necrotic Sliver

I can't imagine ever cutting any of these four from a Sliver Queen deck. The rest of the slivers mentioned so far are also very good, but I can see how they might be excluded from a combo/control/stax build.

Actually, if you're not planning to win by turning slivers sideways, then I'd say Hibernation Sliver is mandatory too.

top 3 slivers according to my group.
-Gemhide
-Hamonic
-Necrotic

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I think the complete list of mandatory slivers is:

• Manaweft Sliver
  
• Gemhide Sliver
  
• Harmonic Sliver
  
• Necrotic Sliver

I can't imagine ever cutting any of these three from a Sliver Queen deck. The rest of the slivers mentioned so far are also very good, but I can see how they might be excluded from a combo/control/stax build.

Actually, if you're not planning to win by turning slivers sideways, then I'd say Hibernation Sliver is mandatory too.

I am sold on the four and basal so that's five

My stasis it is posted use the search feature I have played it as recently as yesterday and she's us without a doubt best thier. Seedborn muse and Garruck under winter orb with no gas? Well sliver queen to the rescue lets 1 shot the board. It's not really a stax deck it's just a stasis winter orb tangle wire deck. Search stasis or orb in title