I don't care about proxys and especially not about ones for expensive/old cards, heck those are the type of cards IMO you should proxy. I certainly don't have any desire to force someone to spend hundreds of dollars on ebay they don't have on a magic card just to play a friendly game (and this is coming from a person who owned all the duals I needed for my decks and even pimped out my basic lands with rarer art lands). If a store or tourney disallows proxies that's totally fine with me but if someone was to just ask me if I cared if they proxied (even an entire deck on lined notebook paper) I would not at all.
And no I wouldn't care if the Pact of Negation (or Force of Will or Mana Drain, whatever) I lost to was proxied or not.
You are talking about deck building now, not proxying per se. Having the ability to proxy doesn't automatically mean that you must proxy for power or stable cards... that's a deck building choice, and a douchey one.
No, I was referring to Dutch253's reason for supporting proxys (which is being able to play power and even have an all proxy deck), which I do not agree with.
No it's not. The object of the game is to win, how you do so, and what is acceptable is up to the players to discuss.
When in the hell did "trying to win" mean "not casual". I play 95% of my games in any given format casually and I am still trying to win. Casual games are games where the only compensation for winning is the experience and maybe bragging rights. Since EDH games are almost all like this, it is a largely casual format.
Proxies are bad for the format. It facilitates bad playing and abuse.
As a proxy user I disagree completely. I think that the reason that I use them (see my initial post in the thread) has no detrimental effect on the game whatsoever. I think there are reasons to allow them, and there are abusive uses of them. Golden's comment (lol, in theory yes...in practice no. People don't tend to proxy random on-theme stuff, at least in my experience. They proxy the Coffers/Tomb, the Sol Ring, the Greaves/Boots, the Cradle,i.e. all of the powerful staple stuff they they want in every deck but don't want to buy extra copies of.) may point to his experience, but it is does not to mine. In my experience it is not the inexpensive staples that get proxied, it is the more expensive specific cards that are not "in every deck" but are in another deck that may not even be EDH.
And no I wouldn't care if the Pact of Negation (or Force of Will or Mana Drain, whatever) I lost to was proxied or not.
When in the hell did "trying to win" mean "not casual". I play 95% of my games in any given format casually and I am still trying to win. Casual games are games where the only compensation for winning is the experience and maybe bragging rights. Since EDH games are almost all like this, it is a largely casual format.
As a proxy user I disagree completely. I think that the reason that I use them (see my initial post in the thread) has no detrimental effect on the game whatsoever. I think there are reasons to allow them, and there are abusive uses of them. Golden's comment (lol, in theory yes...in practice no. People don't tend to proxy random on-theme stuff, at least in my experience. They proxy the Coffers/Tomb, the Sol Ring, the Greaves/Boots, the Cradle,i.e. all of the powerful staple stuff they they want in every deck but don't want to buy extra copies of.) may point to his experience, but it is does not to mine. In my experience it is not the inexpensive staples that get proxied, it is the more expensive specific cards that are not "in every deck" but are in another deck that may not even be EDH.
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