Quote from StardustI'm not hipser enough to not play with Sylvan just because it's powerful, but seeing the same cards again game after game gets dull.
Quote from PandasRpeople2Meh.
Even if a deck is built so that it can realize a turn 2 Primordial, the odds of that happening are still very low. You can only run one Entomb, after all... and the odds of a player who does land a turn 2 Sylvan Primordial being able to win a game of Archenemy (b/c that's what the game has just turned into, obv.) are narrower still. If it happens once in a great while, fine. EDH is supposed to have crazy stupid games now and then; it's part of the charm.
Quote from wompevery time i see the word 'hipster' on a magic the gathering internet forum i feel like i don't want to be associated with magic the gathering players
Quote from cryogenYou magnificent bastard.
Quote from StardustI'm not hipser enough to not play with Sylvan just because it's powerful, but seeing the same cards again game after game gets dull. It's not going to be the death of the format or anything, but there was that brief period after Primeval Titan was banned (and before Sylvan was printed) when you weren't quite sure what that GSZ might be fetching. That was nice.
Quote from izzetmageIf the store owner says that I can't trade in the premises, I'll just go outside. If he says that I can't trade within 10m of his premises, I'll go to 11 meters. If he says that he doesn't want to see me trading, I will put a basket over his head and continue trading.
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Yes, he's a local legend. He's only known to take his clothes off before he goes into the Ladies' Lockerroom. Nobody knows what he does in there because he's invisible, but it's almost certainly tons of masturbating.
Quote from SecularonI hope you don't like sports. Like any sport. It's the same thing over and over.
At least we get new cards once in awhile.
There is a finite selection of cards to choose from. Play it enough and the game will get boring. That is the universe you live in.
Quote from BügeThe analogy breaks down when you consider that all hockey teams don't have access to Wayne Gretzky in his prime, nor do all baseball teams have access to Ken Griffey Jr. in his prime, etc. Old cards don't lose their potency, whereas sports players age and die.
Quote from SecularonGood to know sports continually invent new rules and new equipment to play with.
Seeing as soulbound has been around since the dawn of magic as a few other mechanics. Planeswalkers too?
Quote from togepiThey are all fine and they are not getting the ban hammer anytime soon. no matter how many of these threads pop up. I know people say hes op on turn 3 but what isnt?
Quote from WindfallNew mechanics and cards don't affect the functionality of the old cards in any way.
Quote from Galspanic »The goal of the game is to win. The reason you play the game is to have fun.
Those exist together.
Quote from DarcykunI don't think that's true. In some small, potential way, the printing of, for example, Restoration Angel changed the functionality of any ETB creature printed before it.
The creation of Planeswalkers certainly changed the functionality of every player-based burn spell.
And every mono-G 2/2 reduces the functionality of Grizzly Bears. Sure, in a vacuum, the bears are still a 2/2 that can turn sideways. But that's a very, very narrow view of how a card functions.
Quote from AdamMThe only way Sylvan becomes a problem is if the same thing starts happening with what did with PeT. I think the additional mana cost also helps to push it back a turn, as the numbers in magic favor casting GSZ for 7 on an earlier turn, but not so much 8, but the ETB effect more than makes up for it I think.
Everyone here could make up scenarios all day long that make the Primordials seem OP, but all it takes is for people to play strategically, to play better and to formulate decks that include flexible/multipurpose answer cards.
Diluvian can certainly be very potent when playing against certain decks. A couple Time Stretch in opposing graveyards comes to mind.
Quote from JackMahone54Past in Flames is the stone cold nuts.
Quote from The Greendale Human BeingI think "legit <snip>" is my new favorite slang term.
Quote from UraniumI hate the primordials simply because they were designed and pushed to be instant EDH staples. There's nothing interesting about their design. They just scream PLAY ME IN EVERY DECK BECAUSE WIZARDS SAYS SO. They don't lead to any cool interactions and there's no "look what I can do" feeling when playing one. Edh is supposed to be fun and different, but they are homogenous and boring. Mostly because they are way too powerful, and they are ETB effects which makes them abusable in the most obvious of ways.
Quote from The Witch King of AngmarIt is easier said than done though, saying there are answers for everything or to play better and strategically to solve the problem. In most instances it is just easier to create the problem.
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"If wizards folded $100 bills in packs, people would still complain."
Quote from Uncle IstyTournament deck, painstakingly assembled: $525.00
Custom game mat: $25.00
Sweet matching dice set: $12.50
Dropping a Bonfire on Kibler for the win: Priceless
There's some things money can't buy, for everything else, there's MasterCard.
Quote from patlienemannSomeone is angry about the primordials apparently.
The titans were the same way when they first came out. OMG PLAY ME IM IN YOUR COLORS.
Quote from The Witch King of AngmarThe Titans ain't like the primodials. The Primodials are just broken in multiplayer. The bigger the group the more insanely broken it gets.
Quote from cryogen »I hope for a you ban.
Quote from JivanmuktaI think people need to stop using the word "broken". It's hyperbole and nothing else.
Quote from Dechs KaisonI think it's entirely accurate to call the Primordials broken design just within the cycle.
The white effect is costed at W.
The red effect is costed at 2R.
The green effect is costed at 2GG plus 1G.