I think the more important question you should ask is what is the situation that has caused you to stop playing. I cringe every time I see people sell off EDH decks because I know that most of mine would take at least double the cost to put them back together thanks to buyouts and the reserve list.
Mainly getting the willingness to go out and play.....
I've commissioned an alter of Prime Speaker Vannifar from Mara Faris at Blackwing Studio (who did my Karador) to look like Yennefer of Vengerberg. It's going to be saucy. I'll share it with you when she's done.
I've commissioned an alter of Prime Speaker Vannifar from Mara Faris at Blackwing Studio (who did my Karador) to look like Yennefer of Vengerberg. It's going to be saucy. I'll share it with you when she's done.
So I guess it's a safe bet you won't be banning her then
So we are drafting my cube right now. I just died to an Armory Automaton that swung at me and stole my Batterskull and Grafted Exoskeleton. That card is cheating and should be banned.
Mainly getting the willingness to go out and play.....
Well people are awful, so I can understand wanting to avoid that.
and to be honest, I could funnel the money into a hobby that has little to no pressure and isn't competitive. I'm also pretty sure that even without giving up my fetches and swords I could get at the very least 100 dollars if not more for what I am willing to part with.
Where did people get the idea that name dropping logical fallacies was an effective way to form arguments? It feels like it's more or less a sure thing at some point in every internet discussion and I don't think I've ever been swayed by it.
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Where did people get the idea that name dropping logical fallacies was an effective way to form arguments? It feels like it's more or less a sure thing at some point in every internet discussion and I don't think I've ever been swayed by it.
I don't have a problem with people calling out fallacious arguments, which is generally a good plan. It's more the way they do it. If you're having a discussion, someone makes a personal attack, and your response is just "Ad hominem," it's not a counterargument. It's a demonstration that you can read wikipedia or took an intro to debate/philosophy class. If you lay out why the personal attack isn't adding to the conversation, you have an opportunity to call it out in the same way as well as reiterate that whatever salient points you've made still haven't been responded to. It also just reads better for anyone following the discussion. It's well worth the extra 30 seconds it takes to respond.
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You're asking people to think. They didn't come to think, they came to argue. Quit distracting from the arguments!
Serious answer though, name dropping fallacies followed shortly after "burden of proof" became popular. If you're expecting people to prove things to you, any fallacy you can name undoes that, the fault is that even in the greatest debates, nobody serious holds anyone to the standards of formalized logic. That's not the way people live, and that's really not the way people have a productive discussion.
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Yeah, I've done this before. Sometimes to trolls or *****posters, but mostly where it's relevant and where it does actually cause someone's argument to come apart. Otherwise, just name dropping 'straw man' or 'ad hominem' is kinda lame.
so, I attempted to price cards from one of my decks and well..I just couldn't go through with it....
Can't confirm until you answer, but are you stuck between the point of "spent time/money/effort fallacy (especially since we all know how much more it'll cost to rebuild again)" and "but it's useless to keep the deck if I don't even get out and play at all"? Also, how many decks do you have?
I'm not going to say this is a fix-all solution (especially when I haven't confirmed anything) and nor that it's the cheapest option (in fact it may be the other way round depending on how vast is your collection/number of decks), but keep at least 4 decks to form what I call an "Apocalypse Constructed EDH Cube" and preferably of around the same power-levels as well (as opposed to the typical suggestion of having decks of varying power to suit the LGS/environment).
Constructing a "board game" environment of your own making is my not-so-elegant solution to justifying staying in this position - like a Cube, it doesn't require you to go out for games (just get friends around and you can basically start a game) and justifies the effort you put into the format prior while allowing you to "retire" of sorts. Of course, the price you pay is not getting money out of selling your cards, but if you couldn't bear to do that in the first place, what's the practical difference? The actual price we pay dearly for is that the format itself basically demands 4 (100-card) decks at minimum for its construction (unless you opt for the 1v1 route, but at that point that becomes the application for most other formats some people adopt as well).
Of course, one could argue if you seldom use this "Cube" it'll be also rather "worthless" (while costing more to build initially), but the actual point of contention is it's also more resistant to you-stopping-going-to-outside-games/LGS-closing/game-crashes-completely scenarios. With a "Cube" you still get grab a deck out of the four to go for games on the occasions you do, while the retained existence of the other 3 is justified despite not being played.
Eh, I probably just psyched myself with the reason (and the whole thing, actually), but at the very least I'm proud of my decks regardless of some much play they actually see and honestly if I'm going to keep them regardless, I'd rather psych myself with such pride and positivity rather than the other way round and if the Cube-structure/concept helps reinforcing that, I go along with it.
so, I attempted to price cards from one of my decks and well..I just couldn't go through with it....
Can't confirm until you answer, but are you stuck between the point of "spent time/money/effort fallacy (especially since we all know how much more it'll cost to rebuild again)" and "but it's useless to keep the deck if I don't even get out and play at all"? Also, how many decks do you have?
Well, tonight (the 27th) was the first time in months that I've played and I have five decks altogether, one is a pet deck ( Relentless rats) that I've had since I started playing EDH, another is jhoira of the ghitu,a voltron deck and the dragon percon with a few cards added, and then a screw you deck which runs omen machine along with eye of the storm among others in an effort to make sure no one really has any fun. I'm also not the type of person to go over to or have folks over due to my own housing and health issues so a cube would just be equal to having the cards sit in my binder. As for how much money I've sunk into my collection not counting buying some percons i'd say between 40 and 70 dollars out of my own pocket,due to trade in credit at coolstuffinc and other online stores.
And to be honest, I'd most likely redirect any money I get from selling the cards into doing more models and buying stuff for that hobby.
Hey Sheldon, I couldn't find your Karador deck list, but have you experimented with Enduring Renewal? My deck is too competitive I think to really maximize that card, but it looks like it would be neat.
I run it in mine. I find it funny that you consider it to be a non-competitive card, because I view it as the opposite. It's a combo card, and when you drop it, you win the game.
Hey guys - I was thinking about starting a thread that was basically a record of my edh games. I am just starting it and played at a store for the first time on Sunday. I thought it would be cool and allow me to track changes, match ups, etc. I can't figure out what forum is appropriate. It would cover casual and multiplayer edh, possibly competitive in time. I'd post and track my decklist, so I couldn't have it on the main page. Any thoughts on where it best fits?
Decklist Forum.
I have done this with several of my decks at various times. I should probably start again. It was a lot of fun, and kinda highlights memorable cards/plays to expand on.
Mainly getting the willingness to go out and play.....
Well people are awful, so I can understand wanting to avoid that.
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So I guess it's a safe bet you won't be banning her then
Misc. EDH Stuff: Commander Cube | Zombies (Horde)
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Resources:Commander Rulings FAQ | Commander Deckbuilding Guide
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and to be honest, I could funnel the money into a hobby that has little to no pressure and isn't competitive. I'm also pretty sure that even without giving up my fetches and swords I could get at the very least 100 dollars if not more for what I am willing to part with.
We call this one “Weebo’s Fallacy”.
EDIT: But seriously, just put this back at’em.
I don't have a problem with people calling out fallacious arguments, which is generally a good plan. It's more the way they do it. If you're having a discussion, someone makes a personal attack, and your response is just "Ad hominem," it's not a counterargument. It's a demonstration that you can read wikipedia or took an intro to debate/philosophy class. If you lay out why the personal attack isn't adding to the conversation, you have an opportunity to call it out in the same way as well as reiterate that whatever salient points you've made still haven't been responded to. It also just reads better for anyone following the discussion. It's well worth the extra 30 seconds it takes to respond.
Serious answer though, name dropping fallacies followed shortly after "burden of proof" became popular. If you're expecting people to prove things to you, any fallacy you can name undoes that, the fault is that even in the greatest debates, nobody serious holds anyone to the standards of formalized logic. That's not the way people live, and that's really not the way people have a productive discussion.
We all do, Weebo. It's the human condition.
Can't confirm until you answer, but are you stuck between the point of "spent time/money/effort fallacy (especially since we all know how much more it'll cost to rebuild again)" and "but it's useless to keep the deck if I don't even get out and play at all"? Also, how many decks do you have?
I'm not going to say this is a fix-all solution (especially when I haven't confirmed anything) and nor that it's the cheapest option (in fact it may be the other way round depending on how vast is your collection/number of decks), but keep at least 4 decks to form what I call an "Apocalypse Constructed EDH Cube" and preferably of around the same power-levels as well (as opposed to the typical suggestion of having decks of varying power to suit the LGS/environment).
Constructing a "board game" environment of your own making is my not-so-elegant solution to justifying staying in this position - like a Cube, it doesn't require you to go out for games (just get friends around and you can basically start a game) and justifies the effort you put into the format prior while allowing you to "retire" of sorts. Of course, the price you pay is not getting money out of selling your cards, but if you couldn't bear to do that in the first place, what's the practical difference? The actual price we pay dearly for is that the format itself basically demands 4 (100-card) decks at minimum for its construction (unless you opt for the 1v1 route, but at that point that becomes the application for most other formats some people adopt as well).
Of course, one could argue if you seldom use this "Cube" it'll be also rather "worthless" (while costing more to build initially), but the actual point of contention is it's also more resistant to you-stopping-going-to-outside-games/LGS-closing/game-crashes-completely scenarios. With a "Cube" you still get grab a deck out of the four to go for games on the occasions you do, while the retained existence of the other 3 is justified despite not being played.
Eh, I probably just psyched myself with the reason (and the whole thing, actually), but at the very least I'm proud of my decks regardless of some much play they actually see and honestly if I'm going to keep them regardless, I'd rather psych myself with such pride and positivity rather than the other way round and if the Cube-structure/concept helps reinforcing that, I go along with it.
Well, tonight (the 27th) was the first time in months that I've played and I have five decks altogether, one is a pet deck ( Relentless rats) that I've had since I started playing EDH, another is jhoira of the ghitu,a voltron deck and the dragon percon with a few cards added, and then a screw you deck which runs omen machine along with eye of the storm among others in an effort to make sure no one really has any fun. I'm also not the type of person to go over to or have folks over due to my own housing and health issues so a cube would just be equal to having the cards sit in my binder. As for how much money I've sunk into my collection not counting buying some percons i'd say between 40 and 70 dollars out of my own pocket,due to trade in credit at coolstuffinc and other online stores.
And to be honest, I'd most likely redirect any money I get from selling the cards into doing more models and buying stuff for that hobby.
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StaffFor example, you drop Enduring Renewal, and then win off of infinite Blood Artist triggers from a Spore Frog that you can infinitely replay thanks to Aluren.
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I have done this with several of my decks at various times. I should probably start again. It was a lot of fun, and kinda highlights memorable cards/plays to expand on.
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