This is part of my looking at a chaos deck the other part is...always playing competitive decks are boring IMO. My best plays with warp world ending with me getting omniscience and Leyline of anticipation
EDIT: And if i really wanted to be that guy,i'd run Omen Machine which really takes away your choice in when to play cards...
Chaos and competitive aren't opposing forces though. It's like you are dating someone and things get too serious. So you buy a monster truck and eat Big Macs three meals a day. One is not the solution to the other.
I see it more like books...I'm tired of reading novels,so i take a break by reading a Calvin and Hobbs collection
well i did say i was tempted...but now that I think about it..I feel like I will challenge my deck building skills by having barren glory be the only out right wincon and using both Divine Intervention and Celestial Convergence as endcon and or drawcons.
Chaos and competitive aren't opposing forces though. It's like you are dating someone and things get too serious. So you buy a monster truck and eat Big Macs three meals a day. One is not the solution to the other.
You say that, but see how long that serious relationship last if you're reeking of Big Mac farts and her hedges have tire tracks all over them.
Getting everyone else to scoop is a completely valid way to win. It's fine as long as your playgroup is cool with it.
I've never met a playgroup that was okay with that though. Most people build decks to do something that leads to winning - if someone is there to stop me please let it be to win the game. If your goal is to piss people off so they scoop... how can you defend that? Antisocial EDH'ers are bad enough for the game. Going out of your way to deliberately troll a group... nah son.
Getting everyone else to scoop is a completely valid way to win. It's fine as long as your playgroup is cool with it.
I've never met a playgroup that was okay with that though. Most people build decks to do something that leads to winning - if someone is there to stop me please let it be to win the game. If your goal is to piss people off so they scoop... how can you defend that? Antisocial EDH'ers are bad enough for the game. Going out of your way to deliberately troll a group... nah son.
Didn't you build a deck that couldn't win and just stalled the game?
I've never met a playgroup that was okay with that though.
Mine's fine with it as a change of pace. I'm sure there are others that are similar.
Most people build decks to do something that leads to winning - if someone is there to stop me please let it be to win the game.
Again, If I make everyone else scoop I win.
If your goal is to piss people off so they scoop... how can you defend that?
This is my point, if the playgroup is OK with it they're not going to be pissed off. Sometimes our group does something silly like everyone play prison, for fun. We each still try to win, but we know what we're getting into before the game. If it pissed off my playgroup, I wouldn't do it.
Antisocial EDH'ers are bad enough for the game. Going out of your way to deliberately troll a group... nah son.
Like I said, it's tough to troll a group when they are on the same page as you. What I am describing is the exact opposite of antisocial or trolling.
We're talking about different things now, I'm coming from the point of view that as long as the social contract is fulfilled, any strategy is fine.
Would I bring a chaos/prison/stax deck to a random group? Hell no, not unless they were OK with it.
Didn't you build a deck that couldn't win and just stalled the game?
Are you implying that I don't learn from my mistakes. That deck was also different than a tried and true chaos or group hug deck. By the time I broke it apart, it aimed to make sure all players were actively playing their decks and were all engaged with the game. The whole thing was built around regulating the ebb and flow of games - and it worked... nobody ever surged ahead, nobody ever feel too far behind. It slowed games down a lot but it didn't keep people from playing.
BUT, ultimately I realized that I'd become the guy I can't stand playing against in the abstract.
Mine's fine with it as a change of pace. I'm sure there are others that are similar.
Again, If I make everyone else scoop I win.
This is my point, if the playgroup is OK with it they're not going to be pissed off. Sometimes our group does something silly like everyone play prison, for fun. We each still try to win, but we know what we're getting into before the game. If it pissed off my playgroup, I wouldn't do it.
Like I said, it's tough to troll a group when they are on the same page as you. What I am describing is the exact opposite of antisocial or trolling.
We're talking about different things now, I'm coming from the point of view that as long as the social contract is fulfilled, any strategy is fine.
Would I bring a chaos/prison/stax deck to a random group? Hell no, not unless they were OK with it.
A little variety is fine, but there are people where Chaos/Group Hug are their things. Those guys suck.
Didn't you build a deck that couldn't win and just stalled the game?
Are you implying that I don't learn from my mistakes. That deck was also different than a tried and true chaos or group hug deck. By the time I broke it apart, it aimed to make sure all players were actively playing their decks and were all engaged with the game. The whole thing was built around regulating the ebb and flow of games - and it worked... nobody ever surged ahead, nobody ever feel too far behind. It slowed games down a lot but it didn't keep people from playing.
BUT, ultimately I realized that I'd become the guy I can't stand playing against in the abstract.
Mine's fine with it as a change of pace. I'm sure there are others that are similar.
Again, If I make everyone else scoop I win.
This is my point, if the playgroup is OK with it they're not going to be pissed off. Sometimes our group does something silly like everyone play prison, for fun. We each still try to win, but we know what we're getting into before the game. If it pissed off my playgroup, I wouldn't do it.
Like I said, it's tough to troll a group when they are on the same page as you. What I am describing is the exact opposite of antisocial or trolling.
We're talking about different things now, I'm coming from the point of view that as long as the social contract is fulfilled, any strategy is fine.
Would I bring a chaos/prison/stax deck to a random group? Hell no, not unless they were OK with it.
A little variety is fine, but there are people where Chaos/Group Hug are their things. Those guys suck.
Iirc, you built it a few years ago. You never talk about it much anymore so I didn't know the status of it. I'm thinking about riffing off the concept and building a theft/counter deck with the same general. Same concept that the deck naturally can't win, but it forces me to do nothing but interact with the table.
So, my biggest PucaTrade ever, I have a Mishra's Workshop on the way.
Would have been nicer had the trade occurred before the price shot up recently, but I have had a huge amount of credit on there pretty much forever, and still have more than enough for anything I'm likely to really want.
I once saw a Norin deck put like 3 Warp Worlds on the stack with Fork effects. The first one resolved and someone happened to flip in a Polluted Bonds which killed the Norin player who had gotten like a 30 card warp off of it.
In a Warp World, every card sees every other card entering the battlefield. Clones cannot enter as a copy of anything because there is nothing to copy in play when they come in but otherwise everything sees everything enter.
Urabrask the Hidden for instance in Warp World would see everything else come into play and opponents creatures would enter tapped.
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In a Warp World, every card sees every other card entering the battlefield. Clones cannot enter as a copy of anything because there is nothing to copy in play when they come in but otherwise everything sees everything enter.
Urabrask the Hidden for instance in Warp World would see everything else come into play and opponents creatures would enter tapped.
"Each player shuffles all permanents he or she owns into his or her library, then reveals that many cards from the top of his or her library. Each player puts all artifact, creature, and land cards revealed this way onto the battlefield, then does the same for enchantment cards, then puts all cards revealed this way that weren't put onto the battlefield on the bottom of his or her library."
Enchantments come out after other things; it's why auras still work with Warp World.
Yesterday, I had the tip third of my middle finger on my right hand amputated. Not the best time.
That sucks. What was the circumstance?
It's been a bit of a long running thing. Basically, a few months ago, because I was trying to stay hydrated through the flu, I shot my blood sugar to the moon, exacerbating Diabetes which I didn't know I had. This caused a clot in my right arm which required major surgery. Back in March, I had a radial-brachial bypass, which means they took a vein out of my leg and spliced it into my forearm. This helped the blood flow to my hand, which saved everything except the end of my middle finger, which was unfortunately too far gone. It's been gangrenous for a while and actually would have eventually fallen off of its own accord had I had gotten surgery, and then I would have ended up in the operating room anyway to deal with that. The end result was identical to frostbite (which, living in the Yukon, I'm also familiar with). Lately the presence of the dead fingertip was more onerous than anything, so the last time I met with my family doctor, I told her I was ready for the operation. She made the arrangements and I had surgery on Tuesday (2 days ago now).
The operation actually wasn't that bad. The most painful part was when the doctor injected local anesthetic around four sites at the base of the finger. After that, I honestly didn't feel a thing. He had scraped off a bunch of dead flesh and cut off the last third of the finger without me even realizing it. The whole surgery only took 25 minutes from beginning to end. Of course, the real pain came later. That night I had to go back to the hospital and to get a morphine injection because the pain was so intense. Thankfully, even only just more than 24 hours after that it's not nearly as bad.
It was muuuch easier than the bypass surgery I had in March too. I was in the operating room for nine hours that time, and I was awake for the whole thing, no general anesthetic. And I had to stay in the hospital for two more weeks after that, whereas this recent surgery I was in and out of the hospital in less than two hours. Modern medicine is marvelous.
Yesterday, I had the tip third of my middle finger on my right hand amputated. Not the best time.
That sucks. What was the circumstance?
It's been a bit of a long running thing. Basically, a few months ago, because I was trying to stay hydrated through the flu, I shot my blood sugar to the moon, exacerbating Diabetes which I didn't know I had. This caused a clot in my right arm which required major surgery. Back in March, I had a radial-brachial bypass, which means they took a vein out of my leg and spliced it into my forearm. This helped the blood flow to my hand, which saved everything except the end of my middle finger, which was unfortunately too far gone. It's been gangrenous for a while and actually would have eventually fallen off of its own accord had I had gotten surgery, and then I would have ended up in the operating room anyway to deal with that. The end result was identical to frostbite (which, living in the Yukon, I'm also familiar with). Lately the presence of the dead fingertip was more onerous than anything, so the last time I met with my family doctor, I told her I was ready for the operation. She made the arrangements and I had surgery on Tuesday (2 days ago now).
The operation actually wasn't that bad. The most painful part was when the doctor injected local anesthetic around four sites at the base of the finger. After that, I honestly didn't feel a thing. He had scraped off a bunch of dead flesh and cut off the last third of the finger without me even realizing it. The whole surgery only took 25 minutes from beginning to end. Of course, the real pain came later. That night I had to go back to the hospital and to get a morphine injection because the pain was so intense. Thankfully, even only just more than 24 hours after that it's not nearly as bad.
It was muuuch easier than the bypass surgery I had in March too. I was in the operating room for nine hours that time, and I was awake for the whole thing, no general anesthetic. And I had to stay in the hospital for two more weeks after that, whereas this recent surgery I was in and out of the hospital in less than two hours. Modern medicine is marvelous.
"Each player shuffles all permanents he or she owns into his or her library, then reveals that many cards from the top of his or her library. Each player puts all artifact, creature, and land cards revealed this way onto the battlefield, then does the same for enchantment cards, then puts all cards revealed this way that weren't put onto the battlefield on the bottom of his or her library."
Enchantments come out after other things; it's why auras still work with Warp World.
I had not thought about that. I honestly don't know.
@Moxnix - there is a guy posting in the Rummor Mill using the same avy as you. I have mistaken him as you like 5 times now when reading through posts lol.
You would think firing damn near every machine gun the Army has to offer would be fun, but when you're in the sun all day (upper 90's with decent to high humidity) it quickly loses the excitement.
Between Pia and Kiran, Chandra's Ignition, and the dragon, mono-red is getting some of the best toys in this set. I'm getting really tempted to build a mono-red artifacts deck.
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I see it more like books...I'm tired of reading novels,so i take a break by reading a Calvin and Hobbs collection
Except with reading books it doesn't matter if there are other people in the room. Acting in an antisocial griefer manner is just poor form.
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You say that, but see how long that serious relationship last if you're reeking of Big Mac farts and her hedges have tire tracks all over them.
Getting everyone else to scoop is a completely valid way to win. It's fine as long as your playgroup is cool with it.
I've never met a playgroup that was okay with that though. Most people build decks to do something that leads to winning - if someone is there to stop me please let it be to win the game. If your goal is to piss people off so they scoop... how can you defend that? Antisocial EDH'ers are bad enough for the game. Going out of your way to deliberately troll a group... nah son.
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Didn't you build a deck that couldn't win and just stalled the game?
Mine's fine with it as a change of pace. I'm sure there are others that are similar.
Again, If I make everyone else scoop I win.
This is my point, if the playgroup is OK with it they're not going to be pissed off. Sometimes our group does something silly like everyone play prison, for fun. We each still try to win, but we know what we're getting into before the game. If it pissed off my playgroup, I wouldn't do it.
Like I said, it's tough to troll a group when they are on the same page as you. What I am describing is the exact opposite of antisocial or trolling.
We're talking about different things now, I'm coming from the point of view that as long as the social contract is fulfilled, any strategy is fine.
Would I bring a chaos/prison/stax deck to a random group? Hell no, not unless they were OK with it.
Are you implying that I don't learn from my mistakes. That deck was also different than a tried and true chaos or group hug deck. By the time I broke it apart, it aimed to make sure all players were actively playing their decks and were all engaged with the game. The whole thing was built around regulating the ebb and flow of games - and it worked... nobody ever surged ahead, nobody ever feel too far behind. It slowed games down a lot but it didn't keep people from playing.
BUT, ultimately I realized that I'd become the guy I can't stand playing against in the abstract.
A little variety is fine, but there are people where Chaos/Group Hug are their things. Those guys suck.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
Iirc, you built it a few years ago. You never talk about it much anymore so I didn't know the status of it. I'm thinking about riffing off the concept and building a theft/counter deck with the same general. Same concept that the deck naturally can't win, but it forces me to do nothing but interact with the table.
Agree, those are the people that go into an unknown group with the intention of ruining the game.
Would have been nicer had the trade occurred before the price shot up recently, but I have had a huge amount of credit on there pretty much forever, and still have more than enough for anything I'm likely to really want.
o.O I'm several hundred dollars richer...
Doesn't that not work?
In a Warp World, every card sees every other card entering the battlefield. Clones cannot enter as a copy of anything because there is nothing to copy in play when they come in but otherwise everything sees everything enter.
Urabrask the Hidden for instance in Warp World would see everything else come into play and opponents creatures would enter tapped.
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That sucks. What was the circumstance?
"Each player shuffles all permanents he or she owns into his or her library, then reveals that many cards from the top of his or her library. Each player puts all artifact, creature, and land cards revealed this way onto the battlefield, then does the same for enchantment cards, then puts all cards revealed this way that weren't put onto the battlefield on the bottom of his or her library."
Enchantments come out after other things; it's why auras still work with Warp World.
It's been a bit of a long running thing. Basically, a few months ago, because I was trying to stay hydrated through the flu, I shot my blood sugar to the moon, exacerbating Diabetes which I didn't know I had. This caused a clot in my right arm which required major surgery. Back in March, I had a radial-brachial bypass, which means they took a vein out of my leg and spliced it into my forearm. This helped the blood flow to my hand, which saved everything except the end of my middle finger, which was unfortunately too far gone. It's been gangrenous for a while and actually would have eventually fallen off of its own accord had I had gotten surgery, and then I would have ended up in the operating room anyway to deal with that. The end result was identical to frostbite (which, living in the Yukon, I'm also familiar with). Lately the presence of the dead fingertip was more onerous than anything, so the last time I met with my family doctor, I told her I was ready for the operation. She made the arrangements and I had surgery on Tuesday (2 days ago now).
The operation actually wasn't that bad. The most painful part was when the doctor injected local anesthetic around four sites at the base of the finger. After that, I honestly didn't feel a thing. He had scraped off a bunch of dead flesh and cut off the last third of the finger without me even realizing it. The whole surgery only took 25 minutes from beginning to end. Of course, the real pain came later. That night I had to go back to the hospital and to get a morphine injection because the pain was so intense. Thankfully, even only just more than 24 hours after that it's not nearly as bad.
It was muuuch easier than the bypass surgery I had in March too. I was in the operating room for nine hours that time, and I was awake for the whole thing, no general anesthetic. And I had to stay in the hospital for two more weeks after that, whereas this recent surgery I was in and out of the hospital in less than two hours. Modern medicine is marvelous.
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Well that sucks. Sorry to hear about that.
That doesn't sound... fun at all. On the upside, you probably get to flip off the doctor the whole time he is doing it.
I am assuming something happened which required such a procedure?
I had not thought about that. I honestly don't know.
@Moxnix - there is a guy posting in the Rummor Mill using the same avy as you. I have mistaken him as you like 5 times now when reading through posts lol.
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Also, my 3D Printer just suddenly decided to stop working.
You would think firing damn near every machine gun the Army has to offer would be fun, but when you're in the sun all day (upper 90's with decent to high humidity) it quickly loses the excitement.