Morophon is an Eldrazi commander, so you can cheat out fatties for 5 mana. There are only 3 Kavu who cost more than 5 mana, and they all cast 6, so Morophon is bad as a Kavu commander.
If they can make a tribal commander for Bears, Scarecrows, and Ninjas, they can make one for Kavu. How many other creature types have 42 cards and no legendary? There are only 25 Bears, and they printed a Bear commander in a set that's twice as expensive and meant for Modern. There's only 32 Scarecrows and 22 Ninjas.
Uh....I think you misread Morophon. He doesn't make you pay wubrg. You can stay in whatever CI you prefer. He has basically no benefit to the big eldrazi. And actually he makes some infinite combos with horned kavu. Ain't that neat.
I took a total random flyer, my first guess was Centaur. 57 exist. No tribal commander.
If you really want to go big, how about humans? The best we've got is sigarda, which is (1) not a human and (2) gives only hexproof, feh. And there are 2,277 non-changeling humans in magic.
So how many tribes have no tribal commander and more creatures than kavu? Idk but probably a lot.
I think the bear support was kind of stupid, but it's a funny meme basically. Kavu are too old for most people to care.
You're right that I misread Morophon, but there are 4 legendary Centaurs, 310 legendary humans, and 0 legendary Kavus.
Do you just want any old legendary kavu? I was under the impression you wanted actual tribal support.
ok fine then wolves. 49, no legendaries.
plants, 48 no legendaries
elephant, 57
drone, 62, i didn't even know that was a type, damn
lizard, 67
drake, 88
wall, 127 aww poor walls
what is the established pattern? (regarding flashback)
Mystic Retrieval + Runic repetition to loop spells is one.
Discarding Lingering Souls to Collective Brutality and then still being able to use flashback to get value out of what was discarded. Deep Analysis is another example of a card which has been used this way a lot. Loot it early, flash it back later for value. Quiet Speculation combines a sort of "draw three" with a tutor and results in a 'not-so-broken' effect for 2U. Mystical Teachings for Teferi, then flash it back for Dralnu.
Cast ritual spells into a Yawgmoth's Will or Past in Flames to do it again and do something powerful like storm.
Playing mono black control and casting Chainer's Edict early to slow the aggro, then again later off of Cabal Coffers mana as you stabilize.
You talk about how much you dislike Kess and that is fine, to each their own, but that doesn't change the fact that it would have been nice to see the new "flashback" commander just in Izzet (or even better Dimir) colors as an alternate legendary in the 99, rather than as a face commander. that way it could have been thrown into Kess or Mizzix or Dralnu (depending on what two color pair it had been given with blue). Similarly, I am still disappointed that the 2017 cats deck was only green and white. It is missing red. It should have been Naya. It could have supported Wild Nacatl, Titanic Ultimatum, the Boros Ajani, Firecat Blitz, and while the red cats are bad, it could have printed new good mono=red or multicolored cats with red in them. So, yeah, this is another commander where I look at the color identity and cringe a little at the wasted potential.
But I think it's a little self-centered to say "Madness is not interesting." as though it was a statement of fact. Especially when your justification is that it wasn't seen in competitive constructed formats. So what? This is commander, the format where all those lost cards and mechanics that never quite worked in constructed get a chance to shine in the sun of casual multiplayer. Why should we care what worked in other formats? I happen to think madness is interesting, and I know I'm not alone.
Oh, stop it. Especially the empty rhetoric in bold.
We all know that this is the format where once unused and unplayable spells have become format staples, or at the very least found a home in a deck or two were they are a total gem. Decree of Pain became good because there times wen you would realistically cycle it, and games went long enough were you could hard cast it and draw a lot of cards. Weathered Wayfarer became good in a format where you can activateit in responce to fetchlands while having multiple opponents. Madness has no such cards. Nobody is going through Gatherer or Scryfall and digging up "hidden gems" like Abandon Reason or Brain Gorgers
Madness and the cards which exist today would have already found a home by now. There are plenty of quality discard outlets to fuel madness if one wanted to. It is not as if those cards were waiting for the right commander, nor is there anything about the new commander which suddenly makes them viable. There is a big difference between building a madness deck and me using From Under the Floorboards in my deck alongside the likes of Liliana of the Veil, or Falkenrath Gorger in my Edgar Markov deck because it is a one drop vampire and I can accidentally cast some vampires after resolving a Wheel of Fate.
I feel the need to repeat myself yet again when I say that Madness cards are built with traditional 20 life duels in mind, and even then, they were not good enough to make an impact. In a format where people do not even use Lightning Bolt, it is not as if a new commander is going to make Fiery Temper or Alms of the Vein any good.
Nobody is going to see you cast Psychotic Haze or Gibbering Descent and think/say, "Wow, that card is so good in that deck!" or "Wow, how did you find that tech?" Are you kidding me? What am I missing? telling me to wait for what is printed would be laughable.
What would have made Madness interesting is if the commander had had text similar to Falkenrath Gorger, except for all of your spells and/or made the cost 1BR or something else reasonable. If you could "rummage" (red loot) and cast cards which were granted madness, that would be a whole different world. It would likely end up being too good and too pushed, but at least it would not rely on a history of under-powered garbage.
I can't say I've seen anyone do any of those things in commander, except cast Deep analysis I guess. And almost all of them either aren't legal or wouldn't be particularly synergistic with Savinne. So...what's your point exactly?
Must you type "imo"? I think it helps clarify things, yes. You don't have to do it every time I guess, but I don't think you've ever done it. And while you can argue "well, obviously being uninteresting is a subjective opinion" you then throw out falsities like "2014 had a bigger impact on commander than 2018", which is a much more provable (or more to the point, disprovable) statement in the same breath. So yes, I'm going to take you at your word.
Personally I think it's more interesting to explore new color options for mechanics that already have support. We've seen lots of UBR graveyard spellslinging whatever. Let's mix it up a bit and try something fresh. Then we might actually think outside the box instead of slotting it into an existing deck and going about our day.
Hidden gems? How about glint-horn buccaneer and bag of holding? Ok, not exactly OP and not exactly hard to find, but you won't find those by searching for "madness" on scryfall. There may well exist other such cards that I can't think of at the drop of a hat.
And sure, it's true, most anje decks that aren't trying to do some WGD combo, reanimator, or deck-cycling combo are probably going to share a lot of cards because there aren't a ton of madness cards, and there are even fewer good ones. But that doesn't seem to put people off, say, every tribal commander. It's also pretty trivial to search for "wizards with an etb effect" for inalla, and most decks for her also share a ton of cards. There aren't a lot of "hidden gems" for Inalla. It can be cool to have a commander that's open-ended enough that it doesn't dictate most of your decklist, but it can also be fun to find minor ways to improve a fairly dictated strat. I really liked my Feather list because it was just a bit different from everyone else's, and I think it was better for it - even if most of the "best" cards were the same.
There are, ofc, discard outlets, but having it in the command zone is pretty critical imo if you want consistency. There are only a couple commanders in BR that let you discard, and none of them at instant-speed (theoretically olivia with a token producer or something with flash, but that's another hoop to jump through). Getting instant-speed AND a draw AND from the command zone seems like a trifecta of abilities to make madness at least semi-viable. Plus she costs only 3 and has haste. Madness has been done before with Olivia, but it's safe to say that Anje will provide much, much more support than Olivia does.
Lightning bolt is a good card, even if people don't run it (it just doesn't usually go face). Fiery temper is legit great when you add on a functional cantrip. Would play all day.
I dunno why "wait for what is printed would be laughable". They probably will print a bunch of strong madness cards in that deck. Why exactly is that laughable? I do honestly think that adding flash + draw + reduced cost makes even mediocre-ass cards like twins of maurer estate just fine. Imagine if there was a card that was a 2B flash cantrip 3/5. I feel like that'd see play.
Giving other cards madness would mean people would play the exact same cards they already play, instead of cool, previously-unused cards from the past. Personally I much prefer wotc giving us commanders that make bad cards good, I think it's really neat, rather than cards that just intensify the power of already powerful things (Hi Kess). Morph, flashback, and madness have all been pretty bad in commander until now, so I think it's a great direction to go. I hope they continue this type of design for future sets. More Feathers, less Kesses.
You're right that I misread Morophon, but there are 4 legendary Centaurs, 310 legendary humans, and 0 legendary Kavus.
Do you just want any old legendary kavu? I was under the impression you wanted actual tribal support.
ok fine then wolves. 49, no legendaries.
plants, 48 no legendaries
elephant, 57
drone, 62, i didn't even know that was a type, damn
lizard, 67
drake, 88
wall, 127 aww poor walls
I'd say arcades is more the wall commander than doran but you've definitely got some options. Ulrich I don't see - he's a fine card and obviously wolf-adjacent but he doesn't provide tribal synergy nor is he a wolf.
More to the point, there are probably loads of types that do have legends but don't have tribal support from those legends - I think that's kind of the more important issue, personally.
Wotc does seem to semi-randomly pick not-really-tribes like bears, spiders, and cats and give them tribal support legendaries every once in a while. It could happen for kavu, maybe. But it could just as easily happen for insects or whatever. Considering how long kavu have been out of the spotlight I think it's a longshot, personally.
You make a good point on madness wanting/needing a discard outlet in the zone, I just dont like the design on this discard outlet. Rather than going for a weird pseudo storm thing that hyper specifically cares about madness, I would have preferred something more generic that could enable more than just madness. Like say an each player discards a card trigger, thats all upside with madness. If thats not spicy enough perhaps a trigger whenever you discard your first card each turn or something. This could enable hellbent and dredge stuff in addition to madness
How good would Asylum Visitor feel in what I just described?
Edit: The first ability is fine, just not a fan of the second.
Whoa, hours after my last post of idiocy and here's a long discussion on whether or not 2019 is a bust.
I like what I see so far and I look forward to other decks. The face commanders are very focused per their deck, but others seem to be very open-ended. Morph isn't a popular theme so I understand why people felt let down by the deck's inevitable inclusion of morph-related cards/reprints. Maybe that's also why WotC showcase it first?
morph deck will still probably make the most sales though given that Vorath is really spicey. I'm buying morph just for that. (but if teh deck itself is trash, i might pick him up as a single instead.
morph deck will still probably make the most sales though given that Vorath is really spicey. I'm buying morph just for that. (but if teh deck itself is trash, i might pick him up as a single instead.
The list is already fully spoiled. I might get it just for Vorath and Seedborne muse. I also kinda like Rayami for exile tech but idk if id actually use it.
It's like if Raff and melek had a baby. Casting from top of deck is sweet, I'm glad they aren't making you reveal the card though. And anything that grants flash is always awesome.
I'm not totally sure how I want to build the deck, but I think I'm gonna build it. Maybe I'm jumping the gun a little but I feeeel like this set might end up being the most successful to date at making me actually get off my butt and build the commanders on release.
Ya man, I'm really enjoying this set so far. So far I've found 2 commanders I'm going to build, Vorath and K'rrik and ill be surprised if I dont end up building one of the Rakdos generals too. So far there seems to be a theme where the last commander spoiled is best, I hope that is true for the last 2 decks too
Honestly, the Wall intrigued me the most. I’d say it’s entirely a meta call, but if you can line channel Aggro in a specific direction, mostly importantly though, away from you. Forced attacks is the first that spring to mind. Play some defensive cards that function as removal. I was thinking having that player with a troublesome commander attack into my Aether Membrane. Something a little more polished in the end, but you get the idea.
We have a Creature tribal night every now and then, and I fully expect to build this deck for that purpose. With every deck being comprised of creatures, makes stuff like this shine.
I like Atla!
Here's the deck I would build
-Lots of big Green and Red creatures (+maybe a big Eldrazi or two)
-4 or 5 sac-outlet cards for the eggs
-Cards that gives haste and/or flying and/or hexproof
-Ramp spells
-Spot removal
-Homeward path
-Fireballs to finish things up
Et voilà!
I like Atla!
Here's the deck I would build
-Lots of big Green and Red creatures (+maybe a big Eldrazi or two)
-4 or 5 sac-outlet cards for the eggs
-Cards that gives haste and/or flying and/or hexproof
-Ramp spells
-Spot removal
-Homeward path
-Fireballs to finish things up
Et voilà!
Her only problem being her cost/activation and size. Unless you have haste or eggs ready to crack with her in play, you'd have to wait one turn for her to be used. Gonna have to use some shapeshifting strategies.
I like Atla!
Here's the deck I would build
-Lots of big Green and Red creatures (+maybe a big Eldrazi or two)
-4 or 5 sac-outlet cards for the eggs
-Cards that gives haste and/or flying and/or hexproof
-Ramp spells
-Spot removal
-Homeward path
-Fireballs to finish things up
Et voilà!
Her only problem being her cost/activation and size. Unless you have haste or eggs ready to crack with her in play, you'd have to wait one turn for her to be used. Gonna have to use some shapeshifting strategies.
I think there are also another 5 or 6 eggs you could just run. That way you get two creatures off them.
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I took a total random flyer, my first guess was Centaur. 57 exist. No tribal commander.
If you really want to go big, how about humans? The best we've got is sigarda, which is (1) not a human and (2) gives only hexproof, feh. And there are 2,277 non-changeling humans in magic.
So how many tribes have no tribal commander and more creatures than kavu? Idk but probably a lot.
I think the bear support was kind of stupid, but it's a funny meme basically. Kavu are too old for most people to care.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
ok fine then wolves. 49, no legendaries.
plants, 48 no legendaries
elephant, 57
drone, 62, i didn't even know that was a type, damn
lizard, 67
drake, 88
wall, 127 aww poor walls
Ok apparently that many.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Must you type "imo"? I think it helps clarify things, yes. You don't have to do it every time I guess, but I don't think you've ever done it. And while you can argue "well, obviously being uninteresting is a subjective opinion" you then throw out falsities like "2014 had a bigger impact on commander than 2018", which is a much more provable (or more to the point, disprovable) statement in the same breath. So yes, I'm going to take you at your word.
Personally I think it's more interesting to explore new color options for mechanics that already have support. We've seen lots of UBR graveyard spellslinging whatever. Let's mix it up a bit and try something fresh. Then we might actually think outside the box instead of slotting it into an existing deck and going about our day.
Hidden gems? How about glint-horn buccaneer and bag of holding? Ok, not exactly OP and not exactly hard to find, but you won't find those by searching for "madness" on scryfall. There may well exist other such cards that I can't think of at the drop of a hat.
And sure, it's true, most anje decks that aren't trying to do some WGD combo, reanimator, or deck-cycling combo are probably going to share a lot of cards because there aren't a ton of madness cards, and there are even fewer good ones. But that doesn't seem to put people off, say, every tribal commander. It's also pretty trivial to search for "wizards with an etb effect" for inalla, and most decks for her also share a ton of cards. There aren't a lot of "hidden gems" for Inalla. It can be cool to have a commander that's open-ended enough that it doesn't dictate most of your decklist, but it can also be fun to find minor ways to improve a fairly dictated strat. I really liked my Feather list because it was just a bit different from everyone else's, and I think it was better for it - even if most of the "best" cards were the same.
There are, ofc, discard outlets, but having it in the command zone is pretty critical imo if you want consistency. There are only a couple commanders in BR that let you discard, and none of them at instant-speed (theoretically olivia with a token producer or something with flash, but that's another hoop to jump through). Getting instant-speed AND a draw AND from the command zone seems like a trifecta of abilities to make madness at least semi-viable. Plus she costs only 3 and has haste. Madness has been done before with Olivia, but it's safe to say that Anje will provide much, much more support than Olivia does.
Lightning bolt is a good card, even if people don't run it (it just doesn't usually go face). Fiery temper is legit great when you add on a functional cantrip. Would play all day.
I dunno why "wait for what is printed would be laughable". They probably will print a bunch of strong madness cards in that deck. Why exactly is that laughable? I do honestly think that adding flash + draw + reduced cost makes even mediocre-ass cards like twins of maurer estate just fine. Imagine if there was a card that was a 2B flash cantrip 3/5. I feel like that'd see play.
Giving other cards madness would mean people would play the exact same cards they already play, instead of cool, previously-unused cards from the past. Personally I much prefer wotc giving us commanders that make bad cards good, I think it's really neat, rather than cards that just intensify the power of already powerful things (Hi Kess). Morph, flashback, and madness have all been pretty bad in commander until now, so I think it's a great direction to go. I hope they continue this type of design for future sets. More Feathers, less Kesses.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
You make some good points, and I guess that Morophon would work as a Kavu commander, but walls have Doran, the siege tower and Arcades, the strategist and wolves have Ulrich of the Krallenhorde.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
More to the point, there are probably loads of types that do have legends but don't have tribal support from those legends - I think that's kind of the more important issue, personally.
Wotc does seem to semi-randomly pick not-really-tribes like bears, spiders, and cats and give them tribal support legendaries every once in a while. It could happen for kavu, maybe. But it could just as easily happen for insects or whatever. Considering how long kavu have been out of the spotlight I think it's a longshot, personally.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
How good would Asylum Visitor feel in what I just described?
Edit: The first ability is fine, just not a fan of the second.
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
I like what I see so far and I look forward to other decks. The face commanders are very focused per their deck, but others seem to be very open-ended. Morph isn't a popular theme so I understand why people felt let down by the deck's inevitable inclusion of morph-related cards/reprints. Maybe that's also why WotC showcase it first?
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/decks-commander-2019-edition-2019-08-05
Ill probably go for singles
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
**** it, print a legendary kavu. I can’t even.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Don't worry, your point still stands for plants, elephants, drones, lizards and drakes (and probably many more)
Bad wall too. can;t play arcades, the strategist or Doran, the siege tower or Assault Formation making it a VERY bad commander option.
What a selfish sonofa***** wall. <- most appropriate use of this emoji ever.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
unfortunately no wall commnader has even been able to use the old school wall of stone.
It's like if Raff and melek had a baby. Casting from top of deck is sweet, I'm glad they aren't making you reveal the card though. And anything that grants flash is always awesome.
I'm not totally sure how I want to build the deck, but I think I'm gonna build it. Maybe I'm jumping the gun a little but I feeeel like this set might end up being the most successful to date at making me actually get off my butt and build the commanders on release.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
Oh, so because Pramikon, Sky Rampart is a legendary wall it automatically needs to lead a wall/defender decks? I hope you're being sarcastic.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
No, i am saying it is a trash commander. At least in a wall deck it is on theme but it is still bad in a wall deck.
I am most likely buying singles, Volroth and Elsha are my picks at the moment. Both sets i prefer the alternate commander.
We have a Creature tribal night every now and then, and I fully expect to build this deck for that purpose. With every deck being comprised of creatures, makes stuff like this shine.
Here's the deck I would build
-Lots of big Green and Red creatures (+maybe a big Eldrazi or two)
-4 or 5 sac-outlet cards for the eggs
-Cards that gives haste and/or flying and/or hexproof
-Ramp spells
-Spot removal
-Homeward path
-Fireballs to finish things up
Et voilà!
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
Her only problem being her cost/activation and size. Unless you have haste or eggs ready to crack with her in play, you'd have to wait one turn for her to be used. Gonna have to use some shapeshifting strategies.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs