Bramble Sovereign is not limited to creatures that enter under your control. Not sure if that changes how you evaluate the card, but I think it's incredibly powerful.
You don't get the token copy if it's not your creature, so I'd call that a wash 95% of the time. It's a great ability and the mono-G color identity means it fits into a lot more places than Riku. I'm expecting to see a lot of it.
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Bramble Sovereign is not limited to creatures that enter under your control. Not sure if that changes how you evaluate the card, but I think it's incredibly powerful.
You don't get the token copy if it's not your creature, so I'd call that a wash 95% of the time. It's a great ability and the mono-G color identity means it fits into a lot more places than Riku. I'm expecting to see a lot of it.
Ah, good catch. Yeah, I'm also expecting to see it often.
Bramble Sovereign is not limited to creatures that enter under your control. Not sure if that changes how you evaluate the card, but I think it's incredibly powerful.
It is extremely powerful and I expect (like Weebo says) that we will see a lot of this card due to it being mono-green. Doubling up on your creatures for only an additional 2 mana is good, and if you have any sort of token support (Doubling Season, Parallel Lives, Primal Vigor, etc.) then it gets even better. I also like that it is attached to a 4/4 for 4 mana.
Weebo is also correct that if you copy a creature that is controlled by an opponent, then the opponent will get the token copy. 99% of the time you won't want to activate this except for your own creatures, but maybe you have a Crafty Cutpurse...
Man, dominaria sure cribbed a lot of notes from Battlebond. Funny that I didn't notice it at the time.
Anyway here's the ones you missed. Lots of junkers but some real goodies too.
Najeela is pretty powerful, although i have no idea why warrior tribal would include blue. Not my kind of thing but she does go infinite with a lot of cards like earthcraft and such, although some cards like cryptolith rite require that you use the mana right away.
Grothama is hilarious, and probably quite bad, but you could theoretically have out eldrazi monument and conjurer's closet for great value.
Stolen strategy is amazing and a very powerful card for red decks. Draw 3 every (your) turn is nuts, even if it can't get lands.
mindblade render is a solid 2 drop for any deck, especially evasive ones, and obviously even better for warrior decks like najeela.
fumble is a very solid removal spell I think. Fairly meta-dependent, but 2 mana bounce a creature is rarely useless, and when it's good it's VERY good.
gang up is interesting since you can reasonably get someone else to cooperate, so it could easily be a 1 mana removal spell. And maybe a way to test other people to see if they have counters or something up, which is some serious rules jankiness.
out of bounds is my favorite new phelddagrif card. If someone else is casting a game-winner it should be trivial to get buy-in, and then you've got a 1-mana counterspell. Suh-weeet.
inner demon - great for limited, seems pretty weak for commander.
cheering fanatic - it's a really bad mana rock. Kinda cute for a buyback deck though. Goes almost infinite with grinning ignus.
the crowd goes wild - too weak compared to other overruns, although the flexibility is cute. Might be able to get buyin if you play your cards right.
combo attack - decent removal spell for green, but sorcery speed and 3 mana makes me think this probably won't see any play, although it's at least nice that you can prevent being 2-for-1ed easily, unlike most green fight spells.
fan favorite - on board he's decent, but 4 for a 2/2 ain't cutting it.
last one standing - really really powerful removal spell imo. Sure, sometimes it'll backfire but this could be a huge blowout for just 3 mana. I think it'll see a lot of play.
azra oddsmaker - not a bad card actually, pretty easy to filter while drawing every turn, especially for the right deck.
rushblade commander - najeela! got another one for you! I hope you didn't leave after all those horrible warriors, 'cause this one is actually pretty great!
victory chimes - for decks looking to spend mana on enemy turns (which includes many commanders with activated abilities), I think it's pretty solid. If you're getting 4 mana per turn cycle off of this, that's pretty nuts. Also just generally solid for control decks, especially mono/2 color decks.
pir's whim - 4 to tutor any land is already a reasonable rate. Clearing out a bunch of artifacts is a huge add, even if it just hits mana rocks. This will see tons of play. The political aspect seems pretty dead to me, though, I think you'll almost always label a foe a foe.
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Cards I'm most interested in:
virtus and gorm (GB gets something new and different! and something not obviously OP!)
play of the game
spellseeker
thrilling encore (how are you sleeping on this? It's insane to recover from a board wipe, or combo with your own board wipe)
Is Generous Patron any good outside of Hapatra/infect/group hug shenanigans? I feel like the support 2 for 2G is decent in "counters matter" decks like Atraxa or Reyhan/Ishai, and the ability to buff two opponents' dudes to draw 2 in a pinch seems gravy. I want to like this card, but I'm not a fan of the infect/group hug archetypes she seems obvious in.
Is Generous Patron any good outside of Hapatra/infect/group hug shenanigans?
Not that it’s making waves in EDH, but Generous Patron cares about any counters. Tetzimoc, Primal Death and the patron lets you draw a card for B. Not bad, I guess?
Is Generous Patron any good outside of Hapatra/infect/group hug shenanigans? I feel like the support 2 for 2G is decent in "counters matter" decks like Atraxa or Reyhan/Ishai, and the ability to buff two opponents' dudes to draw 2 in a pinch seems gravy. I want to like this card, but I'm not a fan of the infect/group hug archetypes she seems obvious in.
I think this is one spot where Daghatar the Adamant could shine since he passes counters between any creatures, you could bounce a +1/+1 counter between two of an opponent's creatures to draw card each time.
I think this is one spot where Daghatar the Adamant could shine since he passes counters between any creatures, you could bounce a +1/+1 counter between two of an opponent's creatures to draw card each time.
That's an interesting interaction. This is more along the lines of what I was driving at - in a vacuum, is draw 2 and a 1/4 body for 2G worth buffing two of your opponents' dudes? Stuff like Mathas and Gwafa, while cute, seem super gimmicky just to abuse some card draw.
Warriors have had Saskia the Unyielding as a 'tribal' general for a few years now. But now you can run the exact same strategy and all the same cards but trade double damage for extra attack phases for a single U.
Saskia is a soldier.
Edit: I didn't notice how old this post was, my bad.
Still, there's really only Lovisa and Najeela that actually interact with warriors in any meaningful way.
I think this is one spot where Daghatar the Adamant could shine since he passes counters between any creatures, you could bounce a +1/+1 counter between two of an opponent's creatures to draw card each time.
That's an interesting interaction. This is more along the lines of what I was driving at - in a vacuum, is draw 2 and a 1/4 body for 2G worth buffing two of your opponents' dudes? Stuff like Mathas and Gwafa, while cute, seem super gimmicky just to abuse some card draw.
That's the good thing about Daghatar and politics: You help out, and Daghatar could take away that help when he wants to, after he gets what he wants. Adding Together Forever, suddenly you get to decide who lives and who dies.
I like the dragon. Screeching Phoenix might be a good addition to Moonveil Dragon in decks that’d use them. Although i was hoping the phoenix could recur itself.
I like Mu Yanling She is not overly powerful and (With teferi emblem) her first ability can be use politcally, her minus and ult however are pretty fair. I don;t think I will ever ult her though. (Even with a D.Season on the field) I just wish she sot a bit less. I mean I guess Gush costs 5, so that makes sense. and then you have a chance to get a second gush off.
She is not a "Need" in my superfriends deck but I may find a spot for her.
Ancestor Dragon wouldn't be bad if it was legendary and fit in a mono white weenie deck with alternative life alternative win, archangel of thune and so on.
Its the only card I am going to get just because of the sick art, and i like collecting dragons
Ancestor Dragon wouldn't be bad if it was legendary and fit in a mono white weenie deck with alternative life alternative win, archangel of thune and so on.
Its the only card I am going to get just because of the sick art, and i like collecting dragons
Its nice but not sure if it will have a slot in my dragon deck. While my dragons can swarm, it feels a little too situational. plus i already have a bunch of 6/6s with better abilities that cost the same.
I just feel like some Animar or elfball deck is going to drop that guy early, a Cradle pops out, and I just scoop right there unless I have a Toxic Deluge in hand.
Ah, good catch. Yeah, I'm also expecting to see it often.
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Melira PodRIP 1/19/15GWHatebearsIt is extremely powerful and I expect (like Weebo says) that we will see a lot of this card due to it being mono-green. Doubling up on your creatures for only an additional 2 mana is good, and if you have any sort of token support (Doubling Season, Parallel Lives, Primal Vigor, etc.) then it gets even better. I also like that it is attached to a 4/4 for 4 mana.
Weebo is also correct that if you copy a creature that is controlled by an opponent, then the opponent will get the token copy. 99% of the time you won't want to activate this except for your own creatures, but maybe you have a Crafty Cutpurse...
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Anyway here's the ones you missed. Lots of junkers but some real goodies too.
Najeela is pretty powerful, although i have no idea why warrior tribal would include blue. Not my kind of thing but she does go infinite with a lot of cards like earthcraft and such, although some cards like cryptolith rite require that you use the mana right away.
Grothama is hilarious, and probably quite bad, but you could theoretically have out eldrazi monument and conjurer's closet for great value.
Stolen strategy is amazing and a very powerful card for red decks. Draw 3 every (your) turn is nuts, even if it can't get lands.
mindblade render is a solid 2 drop for any deck, especially evasive ones, and obviously even better for warrior decks like najeela.
fumble is a very solid removal spell I think. Fairly meta-dependent, but 2 mana bounce a creature is rarely useless, and when it's good it's VERY good.
gang up is interesting since you can reasonably get someone else to cooperate, so it could easily be a 1 mana removal spell. And maybe a way to test other people to see if they have counters or something up, which is some serious rules jankiness.
out of bounds is my favorite new phelddagrif card. If someone else is casting a game-winner it should be trivial to get buy-in, and then you've got a 1-mana counterspell. Suh-weeet.
inner demon - great for limited, seems pretty weak for commander.
cheering fanatic - it's a really bad mana rock. Kinda cute for a buyback deck though. Goes almost infinite with grinning ignus.
the crowd goes wild - too weak compared to other overruns, although the flexibility is cute. Might be able to get buyin if you play your cards right.
thrasher brute - good for najeela only.
lava-field overlord - assist is probably mostly irrelevant, and the cost is too damn high.
bring down - would be good if there weren't already so many better removal spells.
decorated champion - najeela!
nimbus champion - najeela!
bull-rush bruiser - najeel...nevermind, this just sucks.
aurora champion - najee...la? I guess.
azra bladeseeker - looks weak.
magma hellion - overpriced, won't get assist probably.
royal trooper - bad.
dwarven lightsmith - bad.
soaring show-off - bad.
charging binox - bad.
bloodborn scoundrels - bad card, excellent game.
combo attack - decent removal spell for green, but sorcery speed and 3 mana makes me think this probably won't see any play, although it's at least nice that you can prevent being 2-for-1ed easily, unlike most green fight spells.
huddle up - bad.
sickle dancer - bad.
jungle wayfinder - not worthless but not particularly good.
skystreamer - bad.
saltwater stalwart - looks like a much much weaker diviner spirit to me.
stadium vendors - it would not surprise me if there was some infinite combo with this.
spellweaver duo - probably bad.
fan favorite - on board he's decent, but 4 for a 2/2 ain't cutting it.
last one standing - really really powerful removal spell imo. Sure, sometimes it'll backfire but this could be a huge blowout for just 3 mana. I think it'll see a lot of play.
vampire charmseeker - probably too expensive to see any play.
azra oddsmaker - not a bad card actually, pretty easy to filter while drawing every turn, especially for the right deck.
rushblade commander - najeela! got another one for you! I hope you didn't leave after all those horrible warriors, 'cause this one is actually pretty great!
victory chimes - for decks looking to spend mana on enemy turns (which includes many commanders with activated abilities), I think it's pretty solid. If you're getting 4 mana per turn cycle off of this, that's pretty nuts. Also just generally solid for control decks, especially mono/2 color decks.
pir's whim - 4 to tutor any land is already a reasonable rate. Clearing out a bunch of artifacts is a huge add, even if it just hits mana rocks. This will see tons of play. The political aspect seems pretty dead to me, though, I think you'll almost always label a foe a foe.
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Cards I'm most interested in:
virtus and gorm (GB gets something new and different! and something not obviously OP!)
play of the game
spellseeker
thrilling encore (how are you sleeping on this? It's insane to recover from a board wipe, or combo with your own board wipe)
virtus' maneuver
pir's whim
generous patron
fumble
out of bounds
last one standing
victory chimes
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
stuff
Not that it’s making waves in EDH, but Generous Patron cares about any counters. Tetzimoc, Primal Death and the patron lets you draw a card for B. Not bad, I guess?
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I think this is one spot where Daghatar the Adamant could shine since he passes counters between any creatures, you could bounce a +1/+1 counter between two of an opponent's creatures to draw card each time.
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Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
That's an interesting interaction. This is more along the lines of what I was driving at - in a vacuum, is draw 2 and a 1/4 body for 2G worth buffing two of your opponents' dudes? Stuff like Mathas and Gwafa, while cute, seem super gimmicky just to abuse some card draw.
stuff
Edit: I didn't notice how old this post was, my bad.
Still, there's really only Lovisa and Najeela that actually interact with warriors in any meaningful way.
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That's the good thing about Daghatar and politics: You help out, and Daghatar could take away that help when he wants to, after he gets what he wants. Adding Together Forever, suddenly you get to decide who lives and who dies.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Nothing terribly exciting. The ophidian is ok I guess, although there's already a lot of them. Aggressive instinct, same deal.
Getting worse shock/magma spray and unsummon for 2 kind of sets the bar for the power level here. Which is to say....low.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
(My case is not strong, but every now and then I think about this deck and how hopefully everyone leaves it alone to durdle. It would be so cheap.)
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
She is not a "Need" in my superfriends deck but I may find a spot for her.
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Still, draw 2 isn't too bad for a 6 mana walker. If you can defend her she's ok, but she doesn't really help you much on that front.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
her ult is the most appealing thing, and timebender can pull it off as well (And I get to keep him if i do it off of a d season.
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Its the only card I am going to get just because of the sick art, and i like collecting dragons
Its nice but not sure if it will have a slot in my dragon deck. While my dragons can swarm, it feels a little too situational. plus i already have a bunch of 6/6s with better abilities that cost the same.
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WBG Ghave, Guru of Spores GBW
WUBRGThe Ur-DragonWUBRGDecklist
What irks me is the amount of reprints we got.
Did tehy just refer to life as life points? What is this, Yu-gi-oh?
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I like Elvish Rejuvenator for creature-based decks.
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
it's not bad.
UB Vela the Night-Clad BUDecklist
WBG Ghave, Guru of Spores GBW
WUBRGThe Ur-DragonWUBRGDecklist
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'