Which WHITE CREATURE should be removed from the list? - Single Choice
Ended Feb 16, 2019
Which BLACK CREATURES should be removed from the list? (Pick 4) - Multiple Choice
Which GREEN NONCREATURE should be removed from the list? - Single Choice
Which COLORLESS NONCREATURE should be removed from the list? - Single Choice
Quote from Sheldon »You're the reason we can't have nice things.
Quote from Weebo »The always on aspect of how it was running most recently seemed to burn people out.
Quote from ISBPathfinder »I just want to point out that assuming you keep the previous system in place where you do two weeks per selection and do noncreatures / creatures as seperate it takes...
5 colors * 2 weeks per selection * 2 creatures / noncreatures = 20 weeks
Colorless * 2 weeks per section * 2 for creatures / non + multicolored * 2 weeks per section * 2 for creatures / non + lands * 2 weeks per section
This adds up to 26 weeks to run. 365 days per year / 7 days per week = 52.14 weeks / year. It takes 26 weeks to run through all of the top 50 list so if you plan to do it more than once a year with the old system, you have already turned into it running nonstop. If you change the system to run somehow differently than it was all of this is thrown out the window but I figured I would point out that as it was either you run it once a year and it runs half the year to run or you run it nonstop.
Quote from GloriousGoose »Actually, I was thinking that in the light of EDHREC being a thing now, this thread has been obsoleted. I assume the fundamental purpose of this thread was to list various 'goodstuff' cards that are worthy considerations for decks that can run them, like Demonic Tutor. Now that EDHREC provides that same function as well as providing aggregate lists, this thread seems superfluous. I could be wrong in my assumption, though.
And no, I don't think EDHREC has usurped the need for scoeri's excellent deck database. Looking at a specific, tuned list with possible commentary is very different than an aggregate of cards commonly run with a given commander.
Quote from cryogen »Whether or not this thread is largely obsolete, it is OUR list on OUR site. We aren't going to just tell people to vote elsewhere.
Quote from GloriousGoose »Keep your shirt on. No need for caps.
I mean... you already link to offsite resources. I was just thinking out loud that the time investment into such an undertaking would have diminishing returns in a world where a more robust option exists. But yeah, it's not my site, so feel free to do whatever.
Quote from Lantern »I always valued this thread. I thought it was some of the highest quality in terms of resources. EDHrec doesn't actually fill this service, it lists popularity not power. There is basically no reason that any deck should run a watery grave rather than a Underground Sea but edhrec has the shock as seeing 40% more play.
This thread was always higher quality.
That being said. I dont know how one would get this thread off the ground again. I feel the old way of constantly grinding was too slow to really show new cards in the format, and made it so it depended on people voting literally all the time. For it to be a good resource, I'd think it would have to be a huge poll (or split into many poll threads) that does all colors and cards at once. That way you could do like a yearly update and say "this is poll month" and front load the work on it.
Quote from DirkGently »I think there's a lot of flaws with the system.
As mentioned, the constant rolling updates were way too much. Also only doing one category at a time meant, if I cared about x card, it might be ages until it was eligible, at which point I had forgotten.
But also I don't think the idea is as relevant as it used to be. Sure, edhrec prioritizes low-cost cards over top-tier expensive cards, but the fact that you're getting a list customized around your specific commander makes up for that times about a thousand. Plus it can go much deeper than 50, filter deeper by type, etc.
Edhrec also has a vastly larger voting pool. It has some minor failings but it has way more info, more flexible filtering, and it's faster updating and with much more input.
There's also the problem that, for most actual top 50 cards, most savvy deck builders know them basically from memory, obseleting the list for enfranchised players. Which means many of them (I.e. myself) stop caring about this thread pretty quickly in favor of deeper-dive resources like edhrec and primers if they're making an actual deck.
So I see basically two uses for a top 50 list - a quick reference for "what stuff should I put in my trade binder" and an entry point for new players who just wanna make a goodstuff deck or see what the format is about.
As someone who isn't new and rarely trades, it doesn't hold much interest for me.
Quote from arrogantAxolotl »Quote from Gabrielle Angelfire »How much I enjoy the game is fairly contingent on who's playing that week.This, right here, is a nugget of wisdom.
Quote from Gabrielle Angelfire »How much I enjoy the game is fairly contingent on who's playing that week.
Quote from TheAmericanSpirit »I guess I just enjoy the irony of all this fuss over this resource of all things, while this site's true gold like the Stax Primer is now buried from sight barring some odd necromancy.
This list is obsolete though. Not because it wasn't good or maintained, but because the average commander today is way more idiosyncratic in its design, more specific in its end goals and has access to way more tools in the era of modern edh than in 2011. I feel like a list of generic 'best stuff' just isn't what most decks need anymore, whereas the hidden gems thread is still useful.
Quote from cryogen »I'm going to start with the low-hanging fruit: Plaguecrafter is just strictly better than Fleshbag Marauder so that needs to change.