MTG Salvation

Hey all,

This was probably a terrible idea from the very beginning. But...

I had been considering trying to swap my Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon deck around from being super aggro to more of a control deck, with Skithiryx as the finisher. It crossed my mind that maybe I could assemble combos that would allow me to produce infinite black mana relatively consistently, and then use that and a sac outlet to smash over, and over, and over again with a hasty Skithiryx from the command zone until everyone was dead. (why I wouldn't just cast Exsanguinate, I don't know.)

As I type that out it sounds even more contrived than I first thought. Oh well, let's see where this goes...

So, being not all that familiar with infinite combos, I searched through the Infinite combos and/or very good card synergies DATABASE, and came up with the following ways to produce infinite black mana.

1) Necrotic Ooze + Pili-Pala + Palladium Myr.

2) Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Puppeteer Clique + Phyrexian Altar.

3) Magus of the Coffers + Umbral Mantle + 6 Swamps.

4) Composite Golem + Nim Deathmantle. (mono black fail)

Of those, I suppose #s 2 and 3 are pretty reasonable. The one I didn't see listed that I'm pretty sure works is Cabal Coffers + Deserted Temple + Rings of Brighthearth + some number of Swamps (not exactly sure how many). That one seems the best out of all the options, but I'd like more redundancy.

If there are any particularly non-janky combos that produce infinite black mana, I'd love to hear them :).

Thanks!

Composite Golem cant be included in a mono-black deck.

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Composite Golem cant be included in a mono-black deck.

Herp derp. So much fail on my part.

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Another good one is Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth + Deserted Temple. Use Monolith-Rings to generate infinite colorless, then activate Temple targeting a Swamp, copying to target itself. Repeat to generate infinite black.

Temple-Coffers-Rings is also a good one.

Cool. Didn't know I could use the Basalt Monolith combo to create colored mana.

to add onto the monolith-rings colorless mana, you can filter it using [card] bog initiate [ /card] to get your black mana

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You can also use Rings of Brighthearth with Voltaic Key and a large enough Everflowing Chalice plus any artifact that can produce black mana.

It starts to get a little complex, but these are all cards you should probably be running anyways.

Boy, hope my Rings of Brighthearth doesn't get Return to Dusted or I'm going to be in a world of hurt :p.

Why not run mana doublers like Caged Sun & others as well? Yeah people will bust 'em but you have Yawgmoth's Will and tons of tutors. Before you drop Skittles cast Myojin of Night's Reach first and run Army of the Damned as an alternate win condition. A full infect deck won't cut it most infect guys are subpar use utility creatures like Bloodgift Demon, Rune-Scarred Demon, Sorin Markov and other black goodstuff cards. Grafted Exoskeleton, Tainted Strike, Cavern of Souls & Caress of Phyrexia?

thopter squadron + sadistic glee + ashnod's altar or krark-clan ironworks

add in any converter or use phyrexian altar to filter mana into black.

these give infinite creatures, 1 infinitely large creature, infinite mana, infinite artifacts enter / leave, infinite creatures enter / leave

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Grave Titan + Nim Deathmantle + Ashnod's Altar is infinite colourless, throw in a phryrexian altar as well and you have coloured.

This one also works with Skeletal Vampire and Marsh Flitter, interestingly enough. In fact, anything that brings 2 tokens with it to the party works here.

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Why not run mana doublers like Caged Sun & others as well? Yeah people will bust 'em but you have Yawgmoth's Will and tons of tutors. Before you drop Skittles cast Myojin of Night's Reach first and run Army of the Damned as an alternate win condition. A full infect deck won't cut it most infect guys are subpar use utility creatures like Bloodgift Demon, Rune-Scarred Demon, Sorin Markov and other black goodstuff cards. Grafted Exoskeleton, Tainted Strike, Cavern of Souls & Caress of Phyrexia?

I certainly include a lot of doublers: Extraplanar Lens, Gantlet of Power, Caged Sun, Doubling Cube, Nirkana Revenant, Magus of the Coffers, and Cabal Coffers are all always up for consideration.

I've found that running other infect dudes and stuff like Grafted Exoskeleton is usually suboptimal. Skitties is usually the only source of infect I like to rely on. The possible exception to that is Tainted Strike, which I can use to 1-shot someone unexpectedly using someone else's creature.

Thanks for all the other infinite black mana suggestions, everyone. I'll try to work them in as seems appropriate :).

su-chi + nim deathmantle + phyrexian altar

[Any combo that generates infinite colorless mana] + Initiates of the Ebon Hand.

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[Any combo that generates infinite colorless mana] + Initiates of the Ebon Hand.

Or Gemstone Array.

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I certainly include a lot of doublers: Extraplanar Lens, Gantlet of Power, Caged Sun, Doubling Cube, Nirkana Revenant, Magus of the Coffers, and Cabal Coffers are all always up for consideration.

I run all of those in my Geth deck with the exception of the magus, as he seemed too slow...? Slow is not the right word. Fragile, that's the right word. The deck runs a high number of board wipes, so he doesn't last long enough, plus summoning sickness.

Do any other monoblack players have an opinion of the magus?

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I run all of those in my Geth deck with the exception of the magus, as he seemed too slow...? Slow is not the right word. Fragile, that's the right word. The deck runs a high number of board wipes, so he doesn't last long enough, plus summoning sickness.

Do any other monoblack players have an opinion of the magus?

You typed exactly what was going through my head as I read Magus being brought up in this thread. I completely agree with you.

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Do any other monoblack players have an opinion of the magus?

He's fine if you run enough ways to recur him. You certainly have plenty of good options:

Volrath's Stronghold
Haunted Crossroads
Phyrexian Reclamation
Sheoldred, Whispering One
Nighteyes the Desecrator
Beacon of Unrest
Strands of Night
Corpse Dance
Cadaver Imp
Gravedigger
Victimize
Necromancy
Living Death
Balthor the Defiled
Shallow Grave
Dance of the Dead
Haunted Fengraf
Makeshift Mannequin
Animate Dead
Exhume
Zombify
Reanimate
Dread Return
Hell's Caretaker
Phyrexian Delver
Codex Shredder
Doomed Necromancer
Living End
All Hallow's Eve
Twilight's Call

Magus of the Coffers + Sword of the Paruns.

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Another good one is Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth + Deserted Temple. Use Monolith-Rings to generate infinite colorless, then activate Temple targeting a Swamp, copying to target itself. Repeat to generate infinite black.

Temple-Coffers-Rings is also a good one.

So much more efficient using Cabal Coffers....

Coffers, Deserted Temple, and Rings.

Yup been mentioned but Cabal Coffers+Rings of Brighthearth+Deserted Temple is infinite black its the only infinite in my mono black deck and its more preferred because it means I have to run cards I already want to not bad cards just to combo. (Albeit rings is probably less good in Skittles then Chainer)

Not sure if its posted or not but Sword of the paruns works with magus of the coffers.

Basalt monolith + Rings of Brighthearth + Gemstone Array + 2 open mana.

You produce ininite mana with basalt, Rings and the two open mana, then filer it into gemstone array

Ok this is probably the least efficient combo, but it does generate infinite black mana

Heartless summoning, Priest of Gix (edit: also needs a toughness boost, to give you the time to sacrifice it to the altar), Phyrexian Altar (or Ashnod's Altar), Phyrexian Reclamation and infinte life does it.

Deathgreeter (needs a toughness boost) and/or Dross Harvester can offset the life cost.
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Blood Artist[/CARD] (needs a toughness boost) and/or Falkenreath Noble offsets the life cost, and will drain the opponents life at the same time.

Edit: Due to needing a toughness boost on board for this to work, may as well mention Bad Moon, Ascendant Evincar, Death Pit Offering and Caged Sun. Also Pawn of Ulamog and Ogre Slumlord would probably help (given a toughness boost for their little ones of course).

Lets say it's a six card combo (at least) and be done with it

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This one also works with Skeletal Vampire and Marsh Flitter, interestingly enough. In fact, anything that brings 2 tokens with it to the party works here.

Wurmcoil Engine works as well and is a pretty good creature outside of these combos.

Oooh this one is a bit easier than the last one I posted!

Jet Medallion, Ashnod's Altar, Priest of Gix and Corpse Dance.

Cast Priest of Gix, sacrifice it to Ashnod's Altar, reanimate with Corpse Dance and repeat. You do need some sort of cost reduction effect, otherwise it creates an infinite loop with no mana gain.

Edit: This combo essentially allows you to animate all creatures in all graveyards... and they have haste!