The turnabout/reiterate cost an initial investment of 10 mana? I'm trying to figure out how it works.
1. Pay 2UU put turnabout on the stack
2. Pay 1RR + 3 colorless (buyback) to cast reiterate and copy turnabout
The reiterate becomes turnabout, untaps all of your lands, but the original turnabout is still on the stack!
Pay 1RR + 3 to copy turnabout again...and again...and again....
2UU + 4RR = 10 mana to go infinite, here's why:
1. 10 untapped lands
2. tap 2UU and 4RR = 10 tapped lands, 10 mana in pool
3. Cast turnabout, cast reiterate with buyback copying turnabout = 10 tapped lands, 0 mana in mana pool
4. Reiterate resolves = 10 untapped lands, 0 mana in mana pool
5. Tap all 10 lands = 10 mana in mana pool
6. Cast reiterate = 4 mana left in mana pool
7. Repeat 4 - 6 ad nauseum, profit 4 mana each time.
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Let the copy resolve first and use that to buyback Reiterate on the first Song (which never resolves until you're ready to combo off). Forgot the Cloud Key or similar, though.
Let the copy resolve first and use that to buyback Reiterate on the first Song (which never resolves until you're ready to combo off). Forgot the Cloud Key or similar, though.
Doesn't cloud key just let you turn 3RR into RRRRR? Maybe you mean semblance anvil?
Don't really get the point of goggles. I mean I guess it doesn't hurt, but you could just have more red mana to begin with and you wouldn't need it. If you've got a semblance anvil you only need 5 mana to get going anyway.
Mana geyser is a lot simpler as it's a straight 2-card combo (also in mono-red).
Let the copy resolve first and use that to buyback Reiterate on the first Song (which never resolves until you're ready to combo off). Forgot the Cloud Key or similar, though.
Doesn't cloud key just let you turn 3RR into RRRRR? Maybe you mean semblance anvil?
Don't really get the point of goggles. I mean I guess it doesn't hurt, but you could just have more red mana to begin with and you wouldn't need it. If you've got a semblance anvil you only need 5 mana to get going anyway.
Mana geyser is a lot simpler as it's a straight 2-card combo (also in mono-red).
Song is instant. Reiterate is instant. Cloud Key (set to instant) makes Song cost 1R and buybacked Reiterate 3RR. With Goggles, you get two Songs in this manner, which turns 1R into RRRRRRRRRR. Reiterate can copy this each time with no net reduction in mana while also generating an arbitrarily large storm count.
Mana Geyser is an unknown variable, relying on opponents to do things (in this case a lot of things, i.e. tapping out or near to it). As such it's too variable to suggest to the point of the OP, "blue/red infinite mana combos".
Lol, the topic of the thread is "infinite mana combos" and reiterate + song + goggles doesn't generate infinite mana, in fact it consumes it. Even with cloud key it doesn't generate infinite mana (infinite storm, granted, but that's not the topic). With semblance anvil it does, though. Or arcane melee for that matter. So...why are we still talking about cloud key? Why are we *still* talking about goggles?
Sure, it's possible that your opponents won't have 7 tapped lands between them, but it's really unlikely, let alone for multiple turns (If no one is casting anything you're probably doing alright, and if they're all draw-go control you were never resolving this combo anyway). And it's actually a straightforward 2-card infinite-mana combo, unlike whatever seething song + reiterate + cloud key(?) + goggles(???) + storm card monstrosity you're trying to construct. Which is *still* not an infinite mana combo.
I mean, if it were me, I'd say "oops, my bad, I thought I had a combo when I didn't" rather than double-down, avoid the advice that would actually make the combo at least semi-work, and try to poke holes in other much-more-functional (and admittedly well-known) combos. But to each his own, I suppose.
Also, dammit, this topic is from 2012. Freaking necromancers on this forum, man.
Lol, the topic of the thread is "infinite mana combos" and reiterate + song + goggles doesn't generate infinite mana, in fact it consumes it. Even with cloud key it doesn't generate infinite mana (infinite storm, granted, but that's not the topic). With semblance anvil it does, though. Or arcane melee for that matter. So...why are we still talking about cloud key? Why are we *still* talking about goggles?
Sure, it's possible that your opponents won't have 7 tapped lands between them, but it's really unlikely, let alone for multiple turns (If no one is casting anything you're probably doing alright, and if they're all draw-go control you were never resolving this combo anyway). And it's actually a straightforward 2-card infinite-mana combo, unlike whatever seething song + reiterate + cloud key(?) + goggles(???) + storm card monstrosity you're trying to construct. Which is *still* not an infinite mana combo.
I mean, if it were me, I'd say "oops, my bad, I thought I had a combo when I didn't" rather than double-down, avoid the advice that would actually make the combo at least semi-work, and try to poke holes in other much-more-functional (and admittedly well-known) combos. But to each his own, I suppose.
Also, dammit, this topic is from 2012. Freaking necromancers on this forum, man.
Well, even without Mizzix in play or any experience, Thousand-Year Storm is another way to go off.
If TYS makes it around the table, then it is easy to cast a cantip into a ritual. Let the the copy of the ritual resolve and use that mana to feed half the cost of Reiterate and then you will get two extra copies of reiterate which will result in infinite mana + infinite storm + infinite access to reiterate (though it does not matter). You can keep the cantrip on the stack as well and target it as needed with reiterate to draw as much from your deck as you desire without fear of decking yourself in a stupid suicide misplay.
With a deck full of forks and rituals, I have been able to just jam TYS into play with counter backup and power out wins in a single turn. While Reiterate makes infinite mana, it is also not too difficult to chain enough spells together and get enough storm triggers to just go "big" but not infinite and still win. remember that Mizzix's Mastery and Past in Flames can help you recast from the yard and reuse rituals and untap effects. With a yard full of cantrips and dig spells, it is easy to chain enough free gas to ensure a win and cause the table to acknowledge the inevitable. None of this needing Mizzix to be your commander or in play to go off, so feel free to use any and all of it in any deck you like.
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Turnabout + Reiterate is probably superior though since it produces both U and R which you can sink into Dracogenius.
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Doubling Cube is bad (seven mana minimum needed to make a positive investment. The more you have doubled, the less likely you need it doubled.). Try and find another answer. Mana Flare, Gauntlet of Might, Gauntlet of Power, Extraplanar lens, and Caged Sun are better alternatives.
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Will be kept until 12/31/2013 to prove if Right or Wrong.Proven right 1/27/2013The turnabout/reiterate cost an initial investment of 10 mana? I'm trying to figure out how it works.
1. Pay 2UU put turnabout on the stack
2. Pay 1RR + 3 colorless (buyback) to cast reiterate and copy turnabout
The reiterate becomes turnabout, untaps all of your lands, but the original turnabout is still on the stack!
Pay 1RR + 3 to copy turnabout again...and again...and again....
2UU + 4RR = 10 mana to go infinite, here's why:
1. 10 untapped lands
2. tap 2UU and 4RR = 10 tapped lands, 10 mana in pool
3. Cast turnabout, cast reiterate with buyback copying turnabout = 10 tapped lands, 0 mana in mana pool
4. Reiterate resolves = 10 untapped lands, 0 mana in mana pool
5. Tap all 10 lands = 10 mana in mana pool
6. Cast reiterate = 4 mana left in mana pool
7. Repeat 4 - 6 ad nauseum, profit 4 mana each time.
Pool a bunch of blue mana for Sage's effect and then get mana of any color.
Pyromancer's Goggles + Seething Song + Reiterate works too, and that's mono-R.
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Literally the only times I've used Doubling Cube are in Omnath, Locus of Mana and Kruphix, God of Horizons.
Reset on the stick is a fun one. If you need to cast a sorcery or permanent without flash, just use Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir or Vedalken Orrery.
If we're being *****ty and winmoar (ten mana to get infinite mana), we may as well include Spawnsire of Ulamog with Heartstone and Training Grounds.
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Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
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Don't really get the point of goggles. I mean I guess it doesn't hurt, but you could just have more red mana to begin with and you wouldn't need it. If you've got a semblance anvil you only need 5 mana to get going anyway.
Mana geyser is a lot simpler as it's a straight 2-card combo (also in mono-red).
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Song is instant. Reiterate is instant. Cloud Key (set to instant) makes Song cost 1R and buybacked Reiterate 3RR. With Goggles, you get two Songs in this manner, which turns 1R into RRRRRRRRRR. Reiterate can copy this each time with no net reduction in mana while also generating an arbitrarily large storm count.
Mana Geyser is an unknown variable, relying on opponents to do things (in this case a lot of things, i.e. tapping out or near to it). As such it's too variable to suggest to the point of the OP, "blue/red infinite mana combos".
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Sure, it's possible that your opponents won't have 7 tapped lands between them, but it's really unlikely, let alone for multiple turns (If no one is casting anything you're probably doing alright, and if they're all draw-go control you were never resolving this combo anyway). And it's actually a straightforward 2-card infinite-mana combo, unlike whatever seething song + reiterate + cloud key(?) + goggles(???) + storm card monstrosity you're trying to construct. Which is *still* not an infinite mana combo.
I mean, if it were me, I'd say "oops, my bad, I thought I had a combo when I didn't" rather than double-down, avoid the advice that would actually make the combo at least semi-work, and try to poke holes in other much-more-functional (and admittedly well-known) combos. But to each his own, I suppose.
Also, dammit, this topic is from 2012. Freaking necromancers on this forum, man.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
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In other news, while not the most powerful, my backup plan in Mizzix is to use Thousand-Year Storm.
Mizzix allows one to use the likes of Firemind's Foresight which can find you to find Reiterate + a ritual such as Desperate Ritual or Pyretic Ritual or an untap effect like Reset or Reality Spasm + a one mana spell that can win for you like Gut Shot or simply a cantrip to draw your deck and find a different win condition you want.
Well, even without Mizzix in play or any experience, Thousand-Year Storm is another way to go off.
If TYS makes it around the table, then it is easy to cast a cantip into a ritual. Let the the copy of the ritual resolve and use that mana to feed half the cost of Reiterate and then you will get two extra copies of reiterate which will result in infinite mana + infinite storm + infinite access to reiterate (though it does not matter). You can keep the cantrip on the stack as well and target it as needed with reiterate to draw as much from your deck as you desire without fear of decking yourself in a stupid suicide misplay.
With a deck full of forks and rituals, I have been able to just jam TYS into play with counter backup and power out wins in a single turn. While Reiterate makes infinite mana, it is also not too difficult to chain enough spells together and get enough storm triggers to just go "big" but not infinite and still win. remember that Mizzix's Mastery and Past in Flames can help you recast from the yard and reuse rituals and untap effects. With a yard full of cantrips and dig spells, it is easy to chain enough free gas to ensure a win and cause the table to acknowledge the inevitable. None of this needing Mizzix to be your commander or in play to go off, so feel free to use any and all of it in any deck you like.