MTG Salvation

Scattering stroke is a nice and cheap "Mana Drain wannabe" at a higher cost which does not ensure additional mana next turn. Still worth a punt in my opinion, although perhaps more for the casual player.

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The Archmage really is an all-star, especially with all the ways one can recur her, bounce her or remove the Persist counter to make her more or less infinitely-repeatable Negate. Great card.

*cough*Mikaeus, the Unhallowed*cough*

No love for flusterstorm? Its a great way to stop storm combos dead in their tracks. Great if you play in a fairly combo heavy meta.

Yep. The counters they said are best misdirection is amazing in the right meta. Of the one mentioned draning whelk Has always seemed pretty bad to me.

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*cough*Mikaeus, the Unhallowed*cough*

Or Sage of Fables, if you like in-block solutions.
Odds is fun if you can fit it into your color identity.

Counterlash for that 1% chance someone casts Mana Reflection or any Enchantment and I counter it to cast Omniscience!

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Or Sage of Fables, if you like in-block solutions.

Lol, yeah, forgot about that dude.

Re Draining Whelk: Why no love for him? Did someone use him against your Genesis Wave or Exsanguinate and point it your way the following turn? Whelk is awesome.

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Counterlash for that 1% chance someone casts Mana Reflection or any Enchantment and I counter it to cast Omniscience!

I never got it to do anything but just counter a spell...but I'll keep using it.

Forbid is a house in certain decks, especially ones using, say Gush or Trade Routes and methods of land recursion.

Mystic Snake, in decks built around bouncing their own creatures for repeated ETB effects.

Circular Logic

enough said

Remand isn't a counterspell, folks. It's a tempo generator, and one that is terrible in multiplayer games. It's only a counterspell if it's hitting something with flashback or in some other odd circumstance, like following it up with another card that's terrible in multiplayer, like Duress.

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Remand isn't a counterspell, folks. It's a tempo generator, and one that is terrible in multiplayer games. It's only a counterspell if it's hitting something with flashback or in some other odd circumstance, like following it up with another card that's terrible in multiplayer, like Duress.

Um, yes it is? Whether or not you gave them the card back to recast, you still countered the spell. That's like saying a creature with echo isn't a creature because you have to pay twice to keep it.

Ice cave.


It's good against artifact decks. Nothing else. NOTHING ELSE.

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Remand isn't a counterspell.

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Counter target spell

Technically, this is a counterspell.

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Ice cave.


It's good against artifact decks. Nothing else. NOTHING ELSE.

Haha, that's just janky enough for my Wanderer deck.

Ice Cave in the right game can be as insanely annoying as Zur's Weirding.. don't underestimate that one. Especially if you put it in anticipating who you're gonna play against and the generals they like.

Mage's Contest is one of the most interesting spells in the game. I love to see it, and I had an anecdote about it, but I just realized that the players misread Last Stand and thought that the mountain part could hit players xD.

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Ice cave.


It's good against artifact decks. Nothing else. NOTHING ELSE.

It's excellent if your meta contains a lot of a shared color *coughGreenallovertheplacehardtofindsomeonenotplayingthatcolormanit'severywherecough*

Ice Cave is a beauty, dunno what the problem is.
Haven't seen much mention to Swan Song, Annul or good ol Force Spike

This thread is a bit out of date, and the OP likely got their answer long ago so I'm going to lock it. Please feel free to create a new thread if you'd like to continue the topic.