Which general (color identity combination) has the most infinite combos? More specifically, which has the highest number of synergistic, related combos which can be efficiently combined in a single deck?
No, not Sliver Queen whose five colors enables every combo in existence. In a "five_color_combo.dec", you're likely to draw pieces of various combos but not quickly assemble any of them. I'm looking for something efficient, where a single two-card combo could be assembled with any of ten different cards, for instance. Or some key cards could work in various combos, allowing you to quickly assemble them.
Most important, however, is sticking to a theme. For instance, are there an excess of infinite mana and card draw combos, so I could quickly draw my deck then force all opponent to draw theirs and lose? Or can I make infinite creatures and gain infinite attack steps to win that turn?
Ultimately, I don't want a heap of unrelated infinite combos. I want a tight bundle of efficient, reliable to assemble, and flexible combos which work together.
So, which generals (color identities) can deliver this? Thanks.
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Anything black ,as stated before. Just monoblack gets you all the artifact ones and Leyline of the Void and Helm of Obedience at a minimum, and that combo is easy and gets the job done very well.
If you want the easy to assemble, Intruder Alarm combos with every card ever.
also it has time sieve and artifacts. plus most of hegemons pieses interlock, except for mike and trike. i dont know where that one came from, i have never seen before on a tuned list.
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Disciple of the Vault kills. All-out combo would probably include Ordeal and Artist too though.
also it has time sieve and artifacts. plus most of hegemons pieses interlock, except for mike and trike. i dont know where that one came from, i have never seen before on a tuned list.
Time Sieve is normally associated with the Sword/Foundry combo. Not sure why he said Altar...
also it has time sieve and artifacts. plus most of hegemons pieses interlock, except for mike and trike. i dont know where that one came from, i have never seen before on a tuned list.
sharum is a creature that dies. artis and noble create a similar effect kill all. also while the combo is not going off they provide something other than a useless 1/1
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sharum is a creature that dies. artis and noble create a similar effect kill all. also while the combo is not going off they provide something other than a useless 1/1
If you're playing Sharuum you probably have more artifacts than creatures. Also 1/1>0/1
Any tri-color deck with access to white can do absurd things with Reveillark, Karmic Guide and Sun Titan. There is an absolutely staggering number of interactions, synergies and combos that are rooted in those cards.
As for a general being a part of the combo itself, my vote goes for sharuum and ghave. Sharuum may have more but ghave is much harder to deal with in my experience. Sharuum only requires you to have gy exile on hand to shut down for the combos its involved in. Ghave gives me pains in every zone except exile. Ymmv, but that's been my experience. It seems like tuned ghave decks that I play against, near every card in the deck combos with that guy, many of them infinite or near enough to lock down the board.
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Hm, sounds like Ghave is a good alternative to the overused Sharuum. And to think, I didn't buy Ghave's Commander preconstructed deck because using Saprolings would get you laughed at back when I started playing around Fallen Empires.
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It's Scion of the Ur-Dragon. You are 5 color so you have access to every combo in existence. He can also become any dragon, so you can use all the niv mizzet combos with him, plus a few that involve getting 21 general damage in one swing.
Unfortunately every try hard from Sacramento to Shanghai preaches from the top of their 27 lands + Mana Reflection that Tooth and Nail and Time Stretch are fine to play in the same turn but Armageddon is unfair.
number 10 only works only on one person, unless you recur the helm. and even if they have Eldrazi, it doesnt help, as the cards never hit the graveyard, therefore never triggering Eldrazi shuffle GY trigger.
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I've played against a few people who have managed to put together a frightful number of infinite combos together with Saffi Eriksdotter, of all cards.
Saffi is very good. There are quite a few ways to use her for an infinite number of sacrifices and a couple infinite loops you can make with her as a key part. The scarier part about Saffi is that decks made around her tend to have a lot of synergies, which makes them pretty potent even if you can't combo off.
number 10 only works only on one person, unless you recur the helm. and even if they have Eldrazi, it doesnt help, as the cards never hit the graveyard, therefore never triggering Eldrazi shuffle GY trigger.
Helm never sacrifices for the same reason Eldrazi won't save the target. Any creatures you mill never hit the GY. You have to wait to untap it before you can combo kill another player, but there's no recursion needed.
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Hm, sounds like Ghave is a good alternative to the overused Sharuum. And to think, I didn't buy Ghave's Commander preconstructed deck because using Saprolings would get you laughed at back when I started playing around Fallen Empires.
When I played mimeoplasm, it was easy to get infinite turns with witness, sheoldred, and a sac outlet like phyrexian tower. Survival of the fittest helps dumb things happen too.
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No, not Sliver Queen whose five colors enables every combo in existence. In a "five_color_combo.dec", you're likely to draw pieces of various combos but not quickly assemble any of them. I'm looking for something efficient, where a single two-card combo could be assembled with any of ten different cards, for instance. Or some key cards could work in various combos, allowing you to quickly assemble them.
Most important, however, is sticking to a theme. For instance, are there an excess of infinite mana and card draw combos, so I could quickly draw my deck then force all opponent to draw theirs and lose? Or can I make infinite creatures and gain infinite attack steps to win that turn?
Ultimately, I don't want a heap of unrelated infinite combos. I want a tight bundle of efficient, reliable to assemble, and flexible combos which work together.
So, which generals (color identities) can deliver this? Thanks.
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It can run:
If you want the easy to assemble, Intruder Alarm combos with every card ever.
UB would probably be the best.
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Commander/EDH Decks:
BRG The Blood of Jund - Kresh the Bloodbraided BRG
WR The Blades of Goldnight - Gisela, Blade of Goldnight WR
GRRWHazezon Tamar (Valakut)GRRW
UKami of the Crescent Moon (
Group Hug)UUHeidar, Rimewind Master [Mini-Primer]U
WKemba, Kha Regent (Stax)W
GEzuri, Renegade Leader [Primer]G
- Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind + Curiosity
- Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind + Ophidian Eye
- Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind + Tandem Lookout
- Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind + Mind Over Matter
- Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Pestermite
- Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Deceiver Exarch
- Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Zealous Conscripts
- Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Intruder Alarm + Any non-legendary creature.
- Deceiver Exarch + Splinter Twin
- Zealous Conscripts + Splinter Twin
- Splinter Twin + Intruder Alarm + Any non-legendary creature
GGG [Primer] Omnath, Big Green Beatstick Machine GGG
for the top one, you are missing blood artist and Falkenrath Noble or bitter ordeal
also it has time sieve and artifacts. plus most of hegemons pieses interlock, except for mike and trike. i dont know where that one came from, i have never seen before on a tuned list.
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Disciple of the Vault kills. All-out combo would probably include Ordeal and Artist too though.
Time Sieve is normally associated with the Sword/Foundry combo. Not sure why he said Altar...
GRRWHazezon Tamar (Valakut)GRRW
UKami of the Crescent Moon (
Group Hug)UUHeidar, Rimewind Master [Mini-Primer]U
WKemba, Kha Regent (Stax)W
GEzuri, Renegade Leader [Primer]G
No, Disciple provides the infinite life loss with artifacts (Sculpting Steel/Phyrexian Metamorph or Sharuum)
sharum is a creature that dies. artis and noble create a similar effect kill all. also while the combo is not going off they provide something other than a useless 1/1
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If you're playing Sharuum you probably have more artifacts than creatures. Also 1/1>0/1
GRRWHazezon Tamar (Valakut)GRRW
UKami of the Crescent Moon (
Group Hug)UUHeidar, Rimewind Master [Mini-Primer]U
WKemba, Kha Regent (Stax)W
GEzuri, Renegade Leader [Primer]G
1. Blade of the Bloodchief + Ashnod's Altar = Infinite Mana
2. Same as above + Blood Artist/Falkenrath Noble/Bitter Ordeal/Exsanguinate = Kill the table
3. Doubling Season + Earthcraft = Arbitrary amount of tokens
4. Ashnod's Altar + Nim Deathmantle = Infinite Mana
4a. Same as above + Mindless Automaton = Draw your entire library.
4b. Same as above + Triskelion/Blood Artist/Falkenrath Noble/Bitter Ordeal/Exsanguinate = Kill the table.
5. Earthcraft + Mana Reflection/Carnival of Souls/Mirari's Wake + Blood Artist/Falkenrath Noble = Kill the table.
--- Ones without Ghave that can go in the same deck ---
6. Pentavus + most of the combos listed above.
7. Earthcraft + Squirrel Nest
8. Survival of the Fittest shenanigans involving Reveillark.
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Also:
6. Ashnod's Altar + Juniper Order Ranger/Sigil Captain/Cathar's Crusade = Infinite mana, infinite tokens, your creatures are infinite/infinite
Also:
9. Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Triskelion = Kill the table
10. Leyline of the Void + Helm of Obedience = Kill target opponent (with Voltaic Key it kills two target opponents)
GWU Derevi, the Prison Queen UWG
number 10 only works only on one person, unless you recur the helm. and even if they have Eldrazi, it doesnt help, as the cards never hit the graveyard, therefore never triggering Eldrazi shuffle GY trigger.
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Helm never sacrifices for the same reason Eldrazi won't save the target. Any creatures you mill never hit the GY. You have to wait to untap it before you can combo kill another player, but there's no recursion needed.
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GRRWHazezon Tamar (Valakut)GRRW
UKami of the Crescent Moon (
Group Hug)UUHeidar, Rimewind Master [Mini-Primer]U
WKemba, Kha Regent (Stax)W
GEzuri, Renegade Leader [Primer]G
In maelstrom wanderer, I have crystal shard, erratic portal, sunken hope, eternal witness, izzet chronarch and 3 extra turn cards because they are all good cards on their own. I end up being able to do infinite turns all the time without even meaning to.
When I played mimeoplasm, it was easy to get infinite turns with witness, sheoldred, and a sac outlet like phyrexian tower. Survival of the fittest helps dumb things happen too.
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