I think Ophidian Eye should be cut. I know everyone says its insta-win, but its really not, especially since you're playing multiplayer. Realistically, you'd have at most 90 cards in library when you played this combo. That means you can kill at most 2 players, and then have 10 cards left in your library to kill the other X people with. This is also assuming that no one responds to that first "draw a card" ability by mule-kicking your dragon in the face.
If you are using it as a simple draw engine, then if Niv-Mizzet wasn't target alpha then, he sure as hell will be after you play the eye on him.
I think it would be fun to take it in a spell recylcling direction where you're re-using big fun spells like Time Stretch, and getting it back with Izzet Chronarch or Nucklavee.
This is also assuming that no one responds to that first "draw a card" ability by mule-kicking your dragon in the face.
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That's exactly what happens to Niv EVERY TIME he hits the board, er, um, battlefield.
I think I'll drop the Eye for Lightning Greaves to even out that situation.
I think it would be fun to take it in a spell recylcling direction where you're re-using big fun spells like Time Stretch, and getting it back with Izzet Chronarch or Nucklavee.
I've thought the same thing, in fact it's already sort of a sub-theme of the deck. So I would just be strengthening that theme while losing some of the stuff that hasn't been working - sounds good! I've already got most of the 'recycling' cards in the deck; I would just need to add Nucklavee(though he can't get back TS), Time Stretch, (possibly Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to copy the recycling dudes for infinite Time Stretching.....)
These prices are by the list on the first page and card shark's current prices, cheapest starting with "good" quality, non foil, cheapest if there's multiple printings.
By that count, if you start with zero of those cards and use that deck exactly - $156.10. There's some replacements that can be made to knock down the price - such as instead of flooded strand which is 17 dollars, can get the mirage version which is like .10.
Oh okay, sorry. I went to www.cardshark.com and just searched the names. The prices are normally pretty good, but it's not the only place I'd look - especially for the more expensive cards.
There are no official tournaments, so it will depend on what your opponents think is accepted But if you play a tournament, expect no proxies. It's a casual format, so you play with what you have, not what you don't have
Not really. When you have a full deck to look at buying, those duals are expensive. I'd love to get the three I need for a deck right now, but they're expensive when you have like 120 dollars in other cards to get.
All four of those would serve the purpose. They're not as good as the Onslaught ones, but they're still good and they're all only like 0.10 - 0.50 off of the internet.
I'm using them until I have the extra cash to pick up the Onslaught fetches, so I feel ya.
I've never played EDH, but I would figure Phyrexian Metamorph is better than Clone for the simple fact you can pay the two life and have it come out colorless and have it copy an artifact OR a creature.
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If you are using it as a simple draw engine, then if Niv-Mizzet wasn't target alpha then, he sure as hell will be after you play the eye on him.
I think it would be fun to take it in a spell recylcling direction where you're re-using big fun spells like Time Stretch, and getting it back with Izzet Chronarch or Nucklavee.
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD
That's exactly what happens to Niv EVERY TIME he hits the board, er, um, battlefield.
I think I'll drop the Eye for Lightning Greaves to even out that situation.
I've thought the same thing, in fact it's already sort of a sub-theme of the deck. So I would just be strengthening that theme while losing some of the stuff that hasn't been working - sounds good! I've already got most of the 'recycling' cards in the deck; I would just need to add Nucklavee(though he can't get back TS), Time Stretch, (possibly Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to copy the recycling dudes for infinite Time Stretching.....)
Probably drop:
Knowledge Exploitation
Take Possession
what else?
So what other good spells could I 'recycle'? I need other good Nucklavee targets if I'm going to add him.
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Niv-Mizzet is not getting banned any time soon. He's a good general, but far from being an elite one like Rofellos, Zur, Arcum Dagsson, and Erayo are.
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1 Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind - 2.75
Wizards
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir - 1.75
1 Arcanis the Omnipotent - .45
1 Venser, Shaper Savant - 2.40
1 Memnarch - 1.70
1 Trinket Mage - 0.05
1 Scrivener - 0.05
1 Izzet Chronarch - 0.05
Counterspells
1 Counterspell - 0.05
1 Hinder - 0.10
1 Forbid - 0.10
1 Dissipate - 0.10
1 Cryptic Command - 12.95
1 Rewind - 0.10
1 Force of Will - 21.00
1 Desertion - 0.65
1 Spelljack - 0.25
1 Draining Whelk - 0.25
1 Time Stop - 0.50
Steal & Copy Spells
1 Knowledge Exploitation - 0.25
1 Acquire - 0.25
1 Bribery - 2.50
1 Blatant Thievery - 0.25
1 Take Possession - 0.25
1 Treachery - 2.25
1 Gilded Drake - 2.00
1 Clone - 0.15
1 Body Double - 0.25
1 Twincast - 1.75
1 Reiterate - 0.25
1 Wild Ricochet - 0.25
1 Copy Enchantment - 0.25
1 Sculpting Steel - 0.45
1 Mizzium Transreliquat - 0.25
1 Capsize - 0.05
1 Evacuation - 0.25
1 Shattering Pulse - 0.05
1 Mystical Tutor - 1.50 (not sure what the FTV one will be)
1 Relearn - 0.10
1 Gifts Ungiven - Banned as of a few monthes ago.
Planeswalker
1 Jace Beleren - 8.00
Draw Spells
1 Sensei's Divining Top - 2.95
1 Brainstorm - 0.25
1 Ponder - 0.05
1 Whispers of the Muse - 0.10
1 Gush - 0.15
1 Rhystic Study - 0.05
1 Aeon Chronicler - 0.25
1 Thought Reflection - 0.25
1 Time Spiral - 4.00
1 Ophidian Eye - 0.05
Planeswalker
1 Tezzeret the Seeker - 10.00
Artifacts
1 Sol Ring - 5.00
1 Izzet Signet - 0.05
1 Mana Vault - 0.40
1 Grim Monolith - 0.40
1 Thran Dynamo - 0.40
1 Voltaic Key - 1.00
1 Nevinyrral's Disk - 1.50
1 Oblivion Stone - 0.40
1 Volcanic Island - 26.00
1 Steam Vents - 6.50
1 Cascade Bluffs - 6.50
1 Shivan Reef - 2.75
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge - 0.25
1 Academy Ruins - 1.50
1 Riptide Laboratory - 0.70
1 Soldevi Excavations - 0.25
1 Tolaria West - 0.10
1 Strip Mine - 0.50
1 Flooded Strand - 17.00
1 Lonely Sandbar - 0.05
1 Forgotten Cave - 0.05
1 Smoldering Crater - 0.05
1 Reliquary Tower - 0.10
19 Island
6 Mountain
By that count, if you start with zero of those cards and use that deck exactly - $156.10. There's some replacements that can be made to knock down the price - such as instead of flooded strand which is 17 dollars, can get the mirage version which is like .10.
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Here's a short list of sites to check:
www.magiccards.info (best for just looking at cards, but there's a price thing above the card. I forget which site that is from, so sorry if double listing a site)
www.ebay.com (obvious...hit or miss)
www.cardshark.com
www.cardkingdom.com
www.coolstuffinc.com
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Mountain Valley
Flood Plain
Bad River
All four of those would serve the purpose. They're not as good as the Onslaught ones, but they're still good and they're all only like 0.10 - 0.50 off of the internet.
I'm using them until I have the extra cash to pick up the Onslaught fetches, so I feel ya.
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Intuition
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Also, i Think you need a few more control elements that are not conterspells
Flametongue Kavu
Spin into Myth for some spot removal and
- Starstorm
- Oblivion Stone
- Caldera Hellion
as sweeper.Waterfront Bouncer is also a good card with gilded drake.
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