I'm still new to EDH and most of the decks I've made for it were bad. Any help would be great. I am trying to win by using angels and beating them down. I'm still unsure on who I should have as the general. The choices I have are Jenara, Asura of warReya Dawnbringer and Akroma, angel of wrath. I've stayed away from Jenara because I don't want her to be the focus of the deck, and I'm not sure what Green and blue there is to add.
I realize I might be a little light on control of any sort. And I might have a little to much artifact acceleration. Also I think I have to many lands. Please pick this deck apart and help make it better.
In my experience, wrath is very good in multiplayer games, even though you have a lot of creatures. I'd recommend cutting some creatures for more wrath effects, especially things like hallowed burial or oblivion stone that give some benefit.
You are also in white, the color of much excellent general removal that I can recommend, such as condemn, arrest, and faith's fetters, which can clear away opposing generals and make way for angels beats.
Gauntlet of Power should be in your deck which would help you capitalize on ALL those Plains! Planar Portal is also an important card in decks with very little card drawing...what am I saying, it's good in ANY deck!
I think I'd prefer Aura of Silence to Altar's Light. That extra 2 to ALL of your opponent's arts and ents can REALLY slow them down. And if you're looking for something to replace Doleman's Gate, then you can try either Relic of Progenitus OR Phyrexian Furnace. I'd also suggest running Austere Command (I can't think of a reason not to run it).
In a mono colored deck, Coalition Relic and Darksteel Ingot SUCK! Replace with Gilded Lotus, Thran Dynamo, or even Worn Powerstone. Get more mana back for your money!
Other important angels (if you can get them): Angel of Salvation, Opal Archangel (in a group game, this will pop in less than 1 turn cycle), and possibly Wayward Angel (unless you can't bare the thought of sacrificing your angels!).
One quick note: Angelic Wall is NOT an angel so you can't use it for Cryptic Gateway and such. It also doesn't really fit the flavor of your deck (i.e. "Angelic Beating" when no one is receiving a beating from Angelic Wall).
I'd never take Darksteel Ingot out of any of my 5 edh decks, and 2 of them are mono-colored. One of them also has Coalition Relic, but it gets more benefit from accel than most. Lotus and Dynamo are both amazing though, and Worn Powerstone is also a good deal.
You say that the EDH decks you've built so far aren't very good, and from looking at your current list I'd say it's because you've fallen into a trap. You want to put together an Angel Beatdown deck, but the selection of cards you're using is just about every Angel off of Gatherer and some ways to cheat them into play. Quite simply, Angelic Curator and Sustainer of the Realm are never going to be a credible threat to someone starting at 40 life. To accumulate a reasonable threat with most of the creatures you're playing you will end up losing a LOT as soon as someone decides to play a Starstorm or Martial Coup. Better for each creature to be a threat on it's own. As an example, here's my Akroma list, which is actually somewhat tribal-focused. If you're wanting to keep an all-angelic flavor, feel free to make use of some of the better angels I'm not using (like Karmic Guide or Reya Dawnbringer), or just use good white/artifact cards. Akroma is quite the beating by herself. (This deck has been played a bit and earned a few remarks on it's effectiveness.)
@Person_man
I'm a little skeptical on hallowed burrial as I would have no way of getting the creatures back. I did add it though.
@jokalhaups
Thanks for the ideas, they were very useful. I was going to add Wayward angel but couldn't get over sacrificing creatures.
@therestless
I think your right. Most of the decks are geared towards creatures and probably to focused on beatdown. I looked through your deck and it did help a bit. I see very little, if any, land destruction in my groups. And I must admit that most of the cards I got off of gatherer.
Enlightened Tutor could help you out since you can grab mana accleration, non-land permenant removal, card drawing, and card searching effects. I've slowly found out that every one of my EDH decks with W in it can benefit from this inexpensive tutor. Spectral Searchlight is sub par with the mana burn rules gone now. Although it is very diplomatic in group games (not good for duals though). Mind Stone is decent since it can replace itself later on (not a stellar card, but should be easy to find if you can't get Worn Powerstone). Or even Sisay's Ring or Ur Golem's Eye isn't bad for a 1 color deck. Arrest should be Prison Term because it does the same thing and can be moved onto such generals as Uril if you have it in play before he's casted.
1 Akroma, angel of wrath
Creatures
2 adakar valkyrie
3 angelic curator
4 angelic page
5 angelic protector
6 angelic wall
7 avenging angel
8 baneslayer angel
9 battlegrace angel
10 blinding angel
11 exalted angel
12 guardian seraph
13 karmic guide
14 luminous angel
15 Platinum angel
16 pristine angel
17 radient archangel
18 reya dawnbringer
19 Seraph
20 Serra advocate
21 Serra avenger
22 serra angel
23 Silver seraph
24 Sustainer of the realm
25 twilight shepard
26 voice of all
27 warrior angel
28 angelic renewal
29 land tax
30 pursiuit of knowledge
Sorceries
31 akroma's vengeance
32 beacon of immortality
33 decree of justice
34 evangelise
35 resurection
36 wrath of god
Instants
37 Altar's light
38 condemn
39 Miraculous Recovery
40 Path to Exile
41 return to dust
Artifacts
42 Belbe's Portal
43 coalition relic
44 Cryptic Gateway
45 Darksteel Ingot
46 Dolmen Gate (no idea why this is here)
47 Journeyer's Kite
48 Lightning Greaves
49 medallions
50 Mind's Eye
51 planar gate
52 quicksilver amulet
53 Scroll Rack
54 sol ring
55 Soul Foundry
56 Summoner's Egg
57 spectral searchlight
58 Urza's Incubator
I realize I might be a little light on control of any sort. And I might have a little to much artifact acceleration. Also I think I have to many lands. Please pick this deck apart and help make it better.
Edit: forgot the #'s to make the deck tags work
You are also in white, the color of much excellent general removal that I can recommend, such as condemn, arrest, and faith's fetters, which can clear away opposing generals and make way for angels beats.
Planar Portal is also an important card in decks with very little card drawing...what am I saying, it's good in ANY deck!
I think I'd prefer Aura of Silence to Altar's Light. That extra 2 to ALL of your opponent's arts and ents can REALLY slow them down. And if you're looking for something to replace Doleman's Gate, then you can try either Relic of Progenitus OR Phyrexian Furnace. I'd also suggest running Austere Command (I can't think of a reason not to run it).
In a mono colored deck, Coalition Relic and Darksteel Ingot SUCK! Replace with Gilded Lotus, Thran Dynamo, or even Worn Powerstone. Get more mana back for your money!
Other important angels (if you can get them): Angel of Salvation, Opal Archangel (in a group game, this will pop in less than 1 turn cycle), and possibly Wayward Angel (unless you can't bare the thought of sacrificing your angels!).
One quick note: Angelic Wall is NOT an angel so you can't use it for Cryptic Gateway and such. It also doesn't really fit the flavor of your deck (i.e. "Angelic Beating" when no one is receiving a beating from Angelic Wall).
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I'd never take Darksteel Ingot out of any of my 5 edh decks, and 2 of them are mono-colored. One of them also has Coalition Relic, but it gets more benefit from accel than most. Lotus and Dynamo are both amazing though, and Worn Powerstone is also a good deal.
You say that the EDH decks you've built so far aren't very good, and from looking at your current list I'd say it's because you've fallen into a trap. You want to put together an Angel Beatdown deck, but the selection of cards you're using is just about every Angel off of Gatherer and some ways to cheat them into play. Quite simply, Angelic Curator and Sustainer of the Realm are never going to be a credible threat to someone starting at 40 life. To accumulate a reasonable threat with most of the creatures you're playing you will end up losing a LOT as soon as someone decides to play a Starstorm or Martial Coup. Better for each creature to be a threat on it's own. As an example, here's my Akroma list, which is actually somewhat tribal-focused. If you're wanting to keep an all-angelic flavor, feel free to make use of some of the better angels I'm not using (like Karmic Guide or Reya Dawnbringer), or just use good white/artifact cards. Akroma is quite the beating by herself. (This deck has been played a bit and earned a few remarks on it's effectiveness.)
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Beats
1 Mirror Entity
1 Radiant, Archangel
1 Baneslayer Angel
1 Battlegrace Angel
1 Exalted Angel
1 Adarkar Valkyrie
1 Crovax, Ascendant Hero
1 Twilight Shepherd
1 Silver Seraph
The Coat of Arms
1 Coat of Arms
The Justification
1 Sacred Mesa
1 Storm Herd
1 Martial Coup
1 Decree of Justice
Disruption
1 Path to Exile
1 Second Thoughts
1 Evangelize
1 Aura of Silence
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Oblation
1 Return to Dust
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Phyrexian Furnace
1 Stonecloaker
1 Rout
1 Hallowed Burial
1 Austere Command
1 Final Judgement
1 Catastrophe
1 Akroma's Vengeance
1 Planar Cleansing
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Mother of Runes
1 Cho-Arrim Alchemist
1 Mind's Eye
1 Memory Jar
1 Scroll Rack
1 Illuminated Folio
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sacred Ground
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Idyllic Tutor
1 Planar Birth
1 Sculpting Steel
1 Righteous Aura
1 Stonehewer Giant
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Skullclamp
Mana
1 Sol Ring
1 Weathered Wayfarer
1 Land Tax
1 Mind Stone
1 Marble Diamond
1 Coldsteel Heart
1 Journeyer's Kite
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Gauntlet of Power
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Eternal Dragon
1 City of Shadows
1 Kjeldoran Outpost
1 Strip Mine
1 Wasteland
1 Karoo
1 Temple of the False God
1 Kor Haven
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Flagstones of Trokair
27 Plains
Additions:
- 1 Eternal Dragon
- 1 Opal Archangel
- 1 angel of salvation
- 1 Aura of silence
- 1 Guantlet of power
- 1 Planar Portal
- 1 Austere Command
- 1 Gilded lotus
- 1 Coat of arms
- 1 storm herd
- 1 marble diamond
- 1 oblivion ring
- 1 faiths fetters
- 1 arrest
.Cuts:
- 4 Plains
- 1 Pearl Madallion
- 1 angelic currator
- 1 angelic page
- 1 angelic wall
- 1 angelic protector
- 1 Domen Gate
- 1 coalition relic
- 1 darksteel ingot
- 1 altar's light
- 1 angelic renewal
.@Person_man
I'm a little skeptical on hallowed burrial as I would have no way of getting the creatures back. I did add it though.
@jokalhaups
Thanks for the ideas, they were very useful. I was going to add Wayward angel but couldn't get over sacrificing creatures.
@therestless
I think your right. Most of the decks are geared towards creatures and probably to focused on beatdown. I looked through your deck and it did help a bit. I see very little, if any, land destruction in my groups. And I must admit that most of the cards I got off of gatherer.
here is the current deck list
1 Akroma, angel of wrath
Creatures
1 adakar valkyrie
1 Angel of salvation
1 avenging angel
1 baneslayer angel
1 battlegrace angel
1 blinding angel
1 eternal dragon
1 exalted angel
1 guardian seraph
1 karmic guide
1 luminous angel
1 Opal Archangel
1 Platinum angel
1 pristine angel
1 radient archangel
1 reya dawnbringer
1 Seraph
1 Serra avenger
1 serra angel
1 Silver seraph
1 twilight shepard
1 voice of all
1 warrior angel
1 arrest
1 aura of silence
1 faiths fetters
1 land tax
1 Oblivion ring
1 persiut of knowledge
Sorceries
1 austere command
1 akroma's vengeance
1 beacon of immortality
1 decree of justice
1 evangelise
1 Hallowed Burrial
1 planar clensing
1 resurection
1 storm herd
1 wrath of god
Instants
1 condemn
1 Miraculous Recovery
1 Path to Exile
1 return to dust
Artifacts
1 Belbe's Portal
1 Cryptic Gateway
1 coat of arms
1 Guantlet of power
1 Guilded Lotus
1 Illuminated Folio
1 Journeyer's Kite
1 Lightning Greave
1 Marble diamond
1 Mind's Eye
1 planar gate
1 planar portal
1 quicksilver amulet
1 Scroll Rack
1 sol ring
1 Soul Foundry
1 spectral searchlight
1 Urza's Incubator
38 plains
Spectral Searchlight is sub par with the mana burn rules gone now. Although it is very diplomatic in group games (not good for duals though). Mind Stone is decent since it can replace itself later on (not a stellar card, but should be easy to find if you can't get Worn Powerstone). Or even Sisay's Ring or Ur Golem's Eye isn't bad for a 1 color deck.
Arrest should be Prison Term because it does the same thing and can be moved onto such generals as Uril if you have it in play before he's casted.
*Mayreturn*
I have some EDH cards and rare Magic basic lands (APAC, EURO, ARENA, etc) so message me if you're looking.
Number of members banned after I posted a BTR: 7
Looking for honest buyers, sellers, and traders.
What should I take out for enlightened tutor? I would love to have it but don't know what to take out.
I'm about ready to start playtesting it, but more help would be great.