first attempt at making an EDH deck, do be critical and please tell me the why.
my only serious counter argument may be that some of your suggestions might be out of my budget range but voice them anyways as i often start off on the cheat and update decks as i go.
the only real restriction is the following: any suggested creatures must be black AND red.(as i want to be able to use Lyzolda's ability the majority of the time.)
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hmmm.
the bitterblossom(although expensive) can be interesting for card draw purposes. puppeteer clique i'm still very indifferent about...it can be amazing as with the right colors(aka, if the creature i grab is red at the very least) i could potentially deal the 4 damage and draw two cards, if i can get my hands on two red-black creatures though...we would be talking about 4 damage and 4 cards...i'll keep it in mind but i'm going to have to play a few games of EDH and see how much red-black is out there before i decide to put him in.
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Kathari Bomber?
Swing, damage occurs, Ability on the stack, 2 draw and 2 damage, ability resolves, 2 Goblin.
So you deal 8 damage and draw a card. And you can unearth and do it over again.
Kathari Bomber?
Swing, damage occurs, Ability on the stack, 2 draw and 2 damage, ability resolves, 2 Goblin.
So you deal 8 damage and draw a card. And you can unearth and do it over again.
so that does work?!?
awesome!
the only reason i hadn't included the bomber is because of the fact that i didn't think that could work that way.
also: any suggestions for protecting Lyzolda? or is it a non factor since she costs so cheap anyways and in EDH mana is nearly always available?
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Kathari Bomber?
Swing, damage occurs, Ability on the stack, 2 draw and 2 damage, ability resolves, 2 Goblin.
So you deal 8 damage and draw a card. And you can unearth and do it over again.
Wow, that is freakin' awesome and going into my Lyzolda deck. Thanks!
I think Avatar of Discord is a tough pill to swallow. I also avoid anything Hellbent not only because Lyzolda makes an empty hand unlikely, but because you don't want to have an empty hand in this format.
Blightening is stellar in standard, but in multiplayer EDH it suffers the 40 life total and only hits one player. Syphon Mind and Unnerve are surprisingly effective.Void and DIn of the Fireherd are excellent choices, BTW.
Be aware that Jaws of Stone and Corrupt aren't quite as potent in two color decks, and the bigger creatures will make it noticable. That said, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Blood Crypt can help that out.
also: any suggestions for protecting Lyzolda? or is it a non factor since she costs so cheap anyways and in EDH mana is nearly always available?
naw....it is always good to protect her, because your deck is very based around her imo.....a good edh staple is lightning greaves or whispersilk cloak if you want to be able to always attack w/ her
naw....it is always good to protect her, because your deck is very based around her imo.....a good edh staple is lightning greaves or whispersilk cloak if you want to be able to always attack w/ her
I'll disagree, but it's a somewhat local meta call. Moreover it isn't a card that helps Lyzolda as much as other generals. Here's why:
Mass removal is prevalent enough in our area, the Greaves won't save a general, especially one as fragile as Lyzolda. Most targeted stuff is "Mind Control" cards that 2-for-1, and that's largely irrelevant to Lyzolda. Moreover, Lyzolda isn't a general damage wincon card and doesn't have combat damage triggers (like Ashling the Extinguisher).
I'll disagree, but it's a local meta call. Mass removal is prevalent enough in our area, the Greaves won't save a general. Most targeted stuff is Mind Control that 2-for-1's that way, and that's largely irrelevant to Lyzolda. Moreover, Lyzolda isn't a general damage wincon card and doesn't have combat damage triggers (like Ashling).
the EDH meta?
didn't get much of a look at it last time they played. i can tell you though that they love combo and control...something i have a lot of difficulty with playing. i'm more of an aggro/beatdown player and i know that is suicide in EDH so i'm trying to veer from it while utilizing cards i already own and always wanted to build with(mainly Lyzolda).
for now i'm more looking at playing my game and dealing with theres later. my main goal is to get comfortable with EDH since its a new trek in my young MTG experience.
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Not to completely confuse things, but Terminate is definitely solid. The instant speed can do things sorcery speed can't, and its so darn efficient...
aye, but it seems to me like i have to make a choice and well spot removal isnt a strong point in this deck list now
so either i make it a strong point or i go with the mass removal/reanimation idea.
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Btw the trick with letting kathari bomber damage on sac it will not work as of M10 because there is no longer damage on the stack..response. But nice try:P
Friend in my playgroup has a sick lyzolda deck... I'll have to compare his to get some suggestions. He does playa couple transmute/tutor cards to search up gravepact as soon as he can.
Definitely don't take out Terminate. It is always handy to have a spot removal spell in case you don't want to clear the board, and Terminate is one of the best to have.
Here are some B/R creatures you might want to use in your deck.
Anathemancer Potentially a lot of damage, plus it recurs
Pyre Zombie Kind of expensive to bring it back and sac it every turn, but it's still solid
PS. The Kathari Bomber trick still works post-M10 because the effect goes on the stack AFTER damage is dealt. The fact that combat damage no longer uses the stack doesn't affect you.
Definitely don't take out Terminate. It is always handy to have a spot removal spell in case you don't want to clear the board, and Terminate is one of the best to have.
Here are some B/R creatures you might want to use in your deck.
Anathemancer Potentially a lot of damage, plus it recurs
Pyre Zombie Kind of expensive to bring it bac and sac it every turn, but it's still solid
PS. The Kathari Bomber trick still works post-M10 because the effect goes on the stack AFTER damage is dealt. The fact that combat damage no longer uses the stack doesn't affect you.
thanks for the clearup on the bomber. also, i was on the fence about the liege; the deck isnt meant to be a horde, massive swing for the win, deck. and i don't think i can target the liege with Lyzolda without losing life...
as for anathemancer: not enough of the playgroup uses their expensive lands for EDH
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Friend in my playgroup has a sick lyzolda deck... I'll have to compare his to get some suggestions. He does playa couple transmute/tutor cards to search up gravepact as soon as he can.
looking forward to seeing it actually. pos it up.
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Lyzolda's sac effect doesn't target the sacked creature, so you won't lose any life. Liege is very good in a Lyzolda deck.
awesome ludd!
thats going in as well then...
ill work around on it and repost a new deck list tonight.
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I find that a Painters Servant is a nice addition, by only if your creatures aren't all black red I start with.
they will be, or the ones im sacrificing anyways.
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i'm still considering Puppeteer Clique...but i'm not really sure what should go as right now i like the number of creatures i can sack to Lyzolda and don't really want to give up any of them.
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I am curous why Skullclamp is not in this deck? If you're going to sac your creature to draw a card and do damage...why would you not want to draw 3 cards instead?
I am curous why Skullclamp is not in this deck? If you're going to sac your creature to draw a card and do damage...why would you not want to draw 3 cards instead?
because i didnt think of skullclamp lol
10000+ cards you miss one or two every now and then.
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Btw the trick with letting kathari bomber damage on sac it will not work as of M10 because there is no longer damage on the stack..response. But nice try:P
this is technically true but putting damage on the stack and then sac'ing wouldn't have worked anyway (the bomber's ability will not trigger if he is in the yard) however it is possible to sac the bomber to lyzolda:
swing with the bomber connect for two. after the damage event its ability goes on the stack, before the ability resoloves sac it to lyzolda, hit for two and draw. then the bomber's ability resolves and you get your two gobos.
my only serious counter argument may be that some of your suggestions might be out of my budget range but voice them anyways as i often start off on the cheat and update decks as i go.
1 Lyzolda, The Blood Witch
Creatures:
1 Vicious Kavu
1 Vampiric Dragon
1 Tsabo Tavoc
1 Spiteflame Witch
1 Sootwalkers
1 Sootstoke Kindler
1 Singe-Mind Ogre
1 Shivan Zombie
1 Shambling Remains
1 Sanity Gnawers
1 Rakdos Guildmage
1 Murderous Redcap
1 Monstrous Carabid
1 Marsh Goblins
1 Manaforge Cinder
1 Lim-Dul's Paladin
1 Lightning Reaver
1 Kulrath Knight
1 Kaervek the Merciless
1 Igneous Pouncer
1 Hellhole Rats
1 Grief Tyrant
1 Goblin Outlander
1 Goblin Deathraiders
1 Gobhobbler Rats
1 Emberstrike Duo
1 Cutbrand Cinder
1 Deathbringer Thoctar
1 Cinder Shade
1 Boris Devilboon
1 Blood Cultist
1 Blazing Specter
1 Avatar of Discord
1 Ashenmoor Gouger
1 Acidic Sliver
1 Jaws of Stone
1 Corrupt
1 Decaying Soil
1 Void
1 Terminate
1 Traitor's Roar
1 Torrent of Souls
1 Kaervek's Purge
1 Din of the Fireherd
1 Delirium
1 Cauldron Dance
1 Blightning
1 Breath of Malfegor
1 Backlash
1 Anthem of Rakdos
1 Vicious Shadows
1 Shade's Form
1 Incendiary
1 Fiery Mantle
1 Despondency
1 Chime of Night
1 Casting of Bones
1 Sadistic Glee
1 Grave Pact
the only real restriction is the following: any suggested creatures must be black AND red.(as i want to be able to use Lyzolda's ability the majority of the time.)
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I know the clique is black, but it's cipt ability if pretty good and of course it has persist
the bitterblossom(although expensive) can be interesting for card draw purposes. puppeteer clique i'm still very indifferent about...it can be amazing as with the right colors(aka, if the creature i grab is red at the very least) i could potentially deal the 4 damage and draw two cards, if i can get my hands on two red-black creatures though...we would be talking about 4 damage and 4 cards...i'll keep it in mind but i'm going to have to play a few games of EDH and see how much red-black is out there before i decide to put him in.
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Swing, damage occurs, Ability on the stack, 2 draw and 2 damage, ability resolves, 2 Goblin.
So you deal 8 damage and draw a card. And you can unearth and do it over again.
Thanks to syndarion of Aeternal Studios for the awesome Sig.
Standard: MWLC All-InFect Illusion Control(MTGO)
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so that does work?!?
awesome!
the only reason i hadn't included the bomber is because of the fact that i didn't think that could work that way.
also: any suggestions for protecting Lyzolda? or is it a non factor since she costs so cheap anyways and in EDH mana is nearly always available?
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Wow, that is freakin' awesome and going into my Lyzolda deck. Thanks!
I have a couple suggestions for inclusion.
I think Avatar of Discord is a tough pill to swallow. I also avoid anything Hellbent not only because Lyzolda makes an empty hand unlikely, but because you don't want to have an empty hand in this format.
I'd add some card draw like Sign in Blood and Night's Whisper. Skeletal Scrying is an option if you don't use much reanimation.
Despondancy is too small of kill. Stuff is pretty big in this format.
I put Cremate in almost every black deck.
I'd swap Decaying Soil with Oversold Cemetary.
Blightening is stellar in standard, but in multiplayer EDH it suffers the 40 life total and only hits one player. Syphon Mind and Unnerve are surprisingly effective.Void and DIn of the Fireherd are excellent choices, BTW.
Mass removal is a must. Damnation, Earthquake, Rolling Thunder, Pestilence, Pyrohemia, Plague Wind and Decree of Pain are all superb in EDH.
Be aware that Jaws of Stone and Corrupt aren't quite as potent in two color decks, and the bigger creatures will make it noticable. That said, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Blood Crypt can help that out.
Hope that helps.
naw....it is always good to protect her, because your deck is very based around her imo.....a good edh staple is lightning greaves or whispersilk cloak if you want to be able to always attack w/ her
I'll disagree, but it's a somewhat local meta call. Moreover it isn't a card that helps Lyzolda as much as other generals. Here's why:
Mass removal is prevalent enough in our area, the Greaves won't save a general, especially one as fragile as Lyzolda. Most targeted stuff is "Mind Control" cards that 2-for-1, and that's largely irrelevant to Lyzolda. Moreover, Lyzolda isn't a general damage wincon card and doesn't have combat damage triggers (like Ashling the Extinguisher).
In this deck, I'd run Armillary Sphere, Journeyer's Kite, Thran Dynamo etc. so that you can plan on recurring her. She's so darn cheap to cast and is happy to sac herself.
So... I'd see what your local gig is like.
the EDH meta?
didn't get much of a look at it last time they played. i can tell you though that they love combo and control...something i have a lot of difficulty with playing. i'm more of an aggro/beatdown player and i know that is suicide in EDH so i'm trying to veer from it while utilizing cards i already own and always wanted to build with(mainly Lyzolda).
for now i'm more looking at playing my game and dealing with theres later. my main goal is to get comfortable with EDH since its a new trek in my young MTG experience.
the deck list is being tweaked and i've hit a dilemna, so i may just repost it and see what you all think. i like the mass removal idea, but id also like some form of reanimation for my creatures. by the looks of it i have 5 spots open for the following:
Haunted Crossroads, Dawn of the Dead, Phyrexian Reclamation, Decree of Pain, Rolling Thunder, Earthquake, Plague Wind.
the cards being removed from the above deck list will be:
Chime of Night, Despondency, Incendiary, Blightning, Terminate.
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aye, but it seems to me like i have to make a choice and well spot removal isnt a strong point in this deck list now
so either i make it a strong point or i go with the mass removal/reanimation idea.
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Friend in my playgroup has a sick lyzolda deck... I'll have to compare his to get some suggestions. He does playa couple transmute/tutor cards to search up gravepact as soon as he can.
Here are some B/R creatures you might want to use in your deck.
Anathemancer Potentially a lot of damage, plus it recurs
Ashenmoor Liege Double pumps all your creatures
Defiler of Souls Abyss that doesn't affect you
Pyre Zombie Kind of expensive to bring it back and sac it every turn, but it's still solid
PS. The Kathari Bomber trick still works post-M10 because the effect goes on the stack AFTER damage is dealt. The fact that combat damage no longer uses the stack doesn't affect you.
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thanks for the clearup on the bomber. also, i was on the fence about the liege; the deck isnt meant to be a horde, massive swing for the win, deck. and i don't think i can target the liege with Lyzolda without losing life...
as for anathemancer: not enough of the playgroup uses their expensive lands for EDH
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looking forward to seeing it actually. pos it up.
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Lyzolda's sac effect doesn't target the sacked creature, so you won't lose any life. Liege is very good in a Lyzolda deck.
awesome ludd!
thats going in as well then...
ill work around on it and repost a new deck list tonight.
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they will be, or the ones im sacrificing anyways.
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1 Lyzolda, The Blood Witch
Creatures:
1 Vampiric Dragon
1 Tsabo Tavoc
1 Spiteflame Witch
1 Sootwalkers
1 Sootstoke Kindler
1 Singe-Mind Ogre
1 Shambling Remains
1 Sanity Gnawers
1 Rakdos Guildmage
1 Scourge of Kher Ridges
1 Monstrous Carabid
1 Manaforge Cinder
1 Lim-Dul's Paladin
1 Lightning Reaver
1 Kulrath Knight
1 Kaervek the Merciless
1 Igneous Pouncer
1 Hellhole Rats
1 Grief Tyrant
1 Goblin Deathraiders
1 Gobhobbler Rats
1 Emberstrike Duo
1 Cutbrand Cinder
1 Deathbringer Thoctar
1 Cinder Shade
1 Boris Devilboon
1 Shivan Hellkite
1 Reiver Demon
1 Avatar of Discord
1 Ashenmoor Gouger
1 Defiler of Souls
1 Deepfire Elemental
1 Kathari Bomber
1 Malfegor
1 Pyre Zombie
1 Jaws of Stone
1 Corrupt
1 Oversold Cemetery
1 Void
1 Terminate
1 Traitor's Roar
1 Torrent of Souls
1 Kaervek's Purge
1 Din of the Fireherd
1 Delirium
1 Cauldron Dance
1 Decree of Pain
1 Breath of Malfegor
1 Backlash
1 Anthem of Rakdos
1 Vicious Shadows
1 Shade's Form
1 Earthquake
1 Fiery Mantle
1 Haunted Crossroads
1 Dawn of the Dead
1 Casting of Bones
1 Sadistic Glee
1 Grave Pact
i'm still considering Puppeteer Clique...but i'm not really sure what should go as right now i like the number of creatures i can sack to Lyzolda and don't really want to give up any of them.
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because i didnt think of skullclamp lol
10000+ cards you miss one or two every now and then.
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this is technically true but putting damage on the stack and then sac'ing wouldn't have worked anyway (the bomber's ability will not trigger if he is in the yard) however it is possible to sac the bomber to lyzolda:
swing with the bomber connect for two. after the damage event its ability goes on the stack, before the ability resoloves sac it to lyzolda, hit for two and draw. then the bomber's ability resolves and you get your two gobos.