MTG Salvation

Here's what i have so far:



All i need to fill the deck in is basic lands... if someone could help me figure out how much of each amount i need, i would appreciate it!

Comment and critique!

How does Reliquery Tower help you?

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How does Reliquery Tower help you?

Mind's Eye, Phyrexian Arena, Land Tax, Harmonize, Journeyer's Kite;

How is it not a useful land to include?

Come on, please don't let this fall off the map. This is my first real EDH deck and I need some advice!

You are missing a lot of good tutors here. Try Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Congregation at Dawn & Primal Command for starters. Even Diabolic Tutor & Demonic Collusion are fine. Once you get those you can start working on a toolbox so you always have an answer, preferably a creature based one so you can get it with creature tutors. Acidic Slime is excellent for destroying random permanents. If you need to kill a creature Duplicant is probably one of the best tutor targets.

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You are missing a lot of good tutors here. Try Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Congregation at Dawn & Primal Command for starters. Even Diabolic Tutor & Demonic Collusion are fine. Once you get those you can start working on a toolbox so you always have an answer, preferably a creature based one so you can get it with creature tutors. Acidic Slime is excellent for destroying random permanents. If you need to kill a creature Duplicant is probably one of the best tutor targets.

What would you swap for tutors? Is my creature base okay?

I don't like random dorks that just happen to have a high toughness, I'd cut some of the vanilla creatures.

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I don't like random dorks that just happen to have a high toughness, I'd cut some of the vanilla creatures.

what do you recommend swapping?

Try this card Pull from Eternity :D, its really annoying to cast it on someones exiled General and now it costs more lol

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Try this card Pull from Eternity :D, its really annoying to cast it on someones exiled General and now it costs more lol

I'll keep that in mind... I have some laying around here somewhere. I'm noticing my deck doesn't have enough... Umph. Or does it?

Nice, another Doran deck. I have one myself! here are some thoughts.


1 Karn, Silver Golem
seems a little out of place. You don't have that many artifacts that really allow you to abuse her ability. I get you are wanting to make her a huge blocker but at that point why not use Jareth to fill that role? 1

Autochthon Wurm - kinda pricy, do you have any other way to play him other than hard casting?

1 Honor Guard
Way too mana intensive for him to do a damn thing. Cut him, there's definitely better choices.

1 Avatar of Hope
I feel like she doesn't really contribute much, and in the end it wont matter that you can play her for 2. Cause at that point you're practically dead. She just seems really really conditional.

1 Oracle's Attendants
You know I thought of going a similar route through "tricks" that creatures provided via kjeldoran royal guards and whatnot, but i feel like its just not worth the slot, i'd much rather be aggressive and proactive than running cards that are entirely reactive. And honestly with the format you are going to see alot of removal/"please get the hell out" cards as opposed to simple removal.

1 Blessed Orator
Eh, He doesn't really do much on his own. I can understand abusing doran's ability during combat and whatnot, but i think its just not worth the slot.
1 Kami of Old Stone
Same as above.

1 Utopia Tree
Neat card, interesting for the small excel. But I feel that there may be better. It all depends on how you see things i guess. My excel generally are things I can recurr depending on the deck, whether it be artifact or sac-fetch land creatures. Ex: Sakura-Tribe Elder, Yavimaya Elder

1 Magnigoth Treefolk
Not entirely sure how I feel about this card. Seems interesting, but honestly i'd replace it with Filth

You may want to consider Wave of reckoning.
One sided wrath ftw.

Have you considered including more re-animate spells, since you are in black.


Have you considered running more mana ramp spells? you have access to alot of good ones since you are in green. Maybe even throw in belbe's portal.

There's a lot of cards I want to recommend your way. Take a look at my doran EDH deck when you get the chance, it will definitely shed some light on those cards.

Lurking Predators, Liliana Vess, and Congregation at Dawnshould be in all decks that can support them. They dominate games. Lurking Predators is pretty nuts with Volrath's Stronghold too.

Edit: And you should have the good base creatures in your colors: Eternal Witness, Genesis, Woodfall Primus, Restock, Stonehewer Giant, etc.

Thank you everyone! This is exactly the kind of advice I need. So from what I've understood is that having all these creatures that only bonus from Doran as fighters is a bad idea.

@therestless: I was unaware that Windbrisk Heights is a bad card in this format.. I just thought it would allow me to play cards like Autochthon Wurm easily. I disagree with your Flying men statement though. Sure I probably would take damage, but I have the removal and eventually some flyers. Doubtful that I would take amounts such as 18

@The Frex: Could you link me your deck? I can't seem to find it. I thought the Avatar of Hope was an O.K. choice because she gets a bonus from Doran, can fly, and can block any number of creatures. Wouldn't that be able to stop a game breaker like Decree of Justice? The Autochthon Wurm can be played with Defense of the Heart... But not much else I guess :/

@Nitronium: I have the Eternal Witness already, but I see what you are saying about the other cards.

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Thank you everyone! This is exactly the kind of advice I need. So from what I've understood is that having all these creatures that only bonus from Doran as fighters is a bad idea.

Its not "bad" its just limiting you capabilities with the cards you have available. A single condemn will be like a kick in the nuts when it targets doran.

@therestless: I was unaware that Windbrisk Heights is a bad card in this format.. I just thought it would allow me to play cards like Autochthon Wurm easily. I disagree with your Flying men statement though. Sure I probably would take damage, but I have the removal and eventually some flyers. Doubtful that I would take amounts such as 18

Its not that its bad. I can see it being useful if you are running alot more bodies on the board. EX: tokens via verdeloth and whatnot. It's just circumstantial

@The Frex: Could you link me your deck? I can't seem to find it. I thought the Avatar of Hope was an O.K. choice because she gets a bonus from Doran, can fly, and can block any number of creatures. Wouldn't that be able to stop a game breaker like Decree of Justice? The Autochthon Wurm can be played with Defense of the Heart... But not much else I guess :/

Sorry, i thought i had linked it in my original post. I'm not saying avatar is bad, i just feel like she could be slotted in for something more useful than just a beater and blocker. Sure she could be the blockiest of blocks with a decree of justice. But hell, why bother? that's what board wipes are for Wrath of God, Damnation, plague boiler, wave of reckoning..etc.
There are a lot of good card that can give you a advantage with dumping creatures down. Here's some thoughts:
[CARD]Lurking Predators
[/CARD]root elemental
Dramatic Entrance
Hell, you have black. Re-animate spells GOGOGO
Buried alive + any reanimate spell.


Here's a link to my deck.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=3880469&postcount=4

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Here's a link to my deck.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=3880469&postcount=4

Good suggestions; so I see your deck is more tribal based than just boosted creatures. I like your additions of Mana reflection and Belbe's Portal. I guess I will just have to reformat some of it.

Anyone else have any changes they would make?

I feel the need to at least consider this guy for every white EDH deck: Mageta the Lion

board wipe in your favor can always be good I guess..

Quote from Coiussus

Mind's Eye, Phyrexian Arena, Land Tax, Harmonize, Journeyer's Kite;

How is it not a useful land to include?

That still isn't enough card draw to warrant Tower. Furthermore, you run a 3 colored deck so if you are going to run a land that only produces colorless, then it should have a much more powerful effect for your deck, like Volrath's Stronghold.